I do believe it was part of MS's publishing deal that the game required X amount of advertising.Liggliluff said:
Fez Creator Responds to Xbox Live Policy Change
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Ugh. Fish's comments really speak volumes about his general attitude. Seriously, all devs, indie or not, have to go through it, but he's the most whiny about it. Furthermore, it seems as though this doesn't happen with just MS [http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/06/report-microsoft-no-longer-charging-thousands-for-xbox-360-game-updates/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+arstechnica%2Findex+%28Ars+Technica+-+All+content%29]. Which makes sense and also ties to his complaint that he didn't get paid to put the content there, he had to pay to do it. Hmm, duh? XBLA and PSN provide means of distribution and an audience, they incur costs to provide this, like any other distribution platform, from games to the 30% cut Apple gets on app store purchases, etc. It's just how it works. Without this, no matter how good Fez was, it would be just a blip on the radar (yeah, I know, Minecraft, but that's a whole beast altogether, a combination of the best conditions possible).
Regarding the promotion: yeah, I'll give him that. But c'mon, it's MS, they don't even promote their own products properly.
But the worst part is this: "a long shot". Yeah, Phil? A lot of people put trust and money into your game, and got stuck with a broken product. No matter your personal disputes, you owe these people your livelihood, and should swallow your pride and bend over backwards to them for it. And more than ever, now that money's not an obstacle anymore. They deserve that respect. Instead, you're too obsessed with your petty squabble to remember them and your debt to them.
This is definitely the worst part of this outburst. No matter how good his reasons might be, he just lost any possible foothold with this. And I'm not even excusing MS, that's not the point. Fish could have taken the high road here, and shown he cares about the people that like and pay for his games. He totally blew that chance.
Regarding the promotion: yeah, I'll give him that. But c'mon, it's MS, they don't even promote their own products properly.
But the worst part is this: "a long shot". Yeah, Phil? A lot of people put trust and money into your game, and got stuck with a broken product. No matter your personal disputes, you owe these people your livelihood, and should swallow your pride and bend over backwards to them for it. And more than ever, now that money's not an obstacle anymore. They deserve that respect. Instead, you're too obsessed with your petty squabble to remember them and your debt to them.
This is definitely the worst part of this outburst. No matter how good his reasons might be, he just lost any possible foothold with this. And I'm not even excusing MS, that's not the point. Fish could have taken the high road here, and shown he cares about the people that like and pay for his games. He totally blew that chance.
I'm just saying that his swearing makes him come across as unprofessional. Swearing is fine in an informal context, but when it's in a formal context then it comes across as immature.WhiteTigerShiro said:
Take his first two tweets for example. Don't they seem better than the last two?
Yeah yeah, blah blah blah. "Professional" this and "Formal" that; simply excuses to make elitism sound like something else. The only reason that not swearing is considered "professional" and "formal" in the first place is because of the aforementioned non-swearing group being in the majority and forcing their standards onto everyone else.kailus13 said:
The dude seems like a bit of a twit, but he's 100% correct as regards Microsoft's policies towards indie game devs. Hopefully those policies continue to recede and vanish to a point where every indie dev can reach every potential customer without jumping through ridiculously expensive hoops.
Fair enough, I say. If Microsoft does a poor job of publishing a game, the developer has every right to let it remain an inferior product to itself on other platforms.
As for the swearing, who CARES. I'm not about to pretend I don't swear. The PM of Australia once said "shitstorm" on TV and everyone lost their fucking minds. I say good on him. It's his choice of words and I'm fine with it.
As for the swearing, who CARES. I'm not about to pretend I don't swear. The PM of Australia once said "shitstorm" on TV and everyone lost their fucking minds. I say good on him. It's his choice of words and I'm fine with it.
Microsoft's still requiring all indie games on the Xbone be published by them, correct?
While a lack of personal interest in their games is, of course, my chief reason for giving a pass on the Xbone, I've always found that particular publishing exclusivity shit to leave a sour taste in my mouth. As an aspiring developer myself, it just seems offensive. I'm kind of livid with that decision.
Being unable to self-publish is bad enough, but if these are the implications of being publish by Microsoft then this is a whole new level of insulting.
Fish is still a bit of an ass, yeah, but horrible business practice is horrible business practice.
While a lack of personal interest in their games is, of course, my chief reason for giving a pass on the Xbone, I've always found that particular publishing exclusivity shit to leave a sour taste in my mouth. As an aspiring developer myself, it just seems offensive. I'm kind of livid with that decision.
Being unable to self-publish is bad enough, but if these are the implications of being publish by Microsoft then this is a whole new level of insulting.
Fish is still a bit of an ass, yeah, but horrible business practice is horrible business practice.
Sounds to me like Mr. Fish needs to learn to read the contracts he signs. It's not Microsoft's fault that Mr. Fish failed to pay for the service he desired.
Oh Phil, we can always rely on you to be a bitter immature Asshole, however I take his point, paying that much money for a simple patch is plainly ridiculous.
The guy may be a dick, but that has absolutely no bearing on whether he's right or not. Argumentum ad hominem anyone? Judge what he says on what he says, not who he is. As for the swearing bit, I agree entirely with Fry (I wondered how long it'd take for someone to post those vids), but I might go on to say that I consider them to be just another tool in my box - devices to be used as the job requires, according to one's preferred methods. The fuss around them is frankly absurd. Furthermore, if someone does wish to offend you, the best insults don't need swears to cut close to the bone.
OT again, I have don't really know who this Fish guy is but I can respect a fellow who speaks his mind and speaks it plainly. No PR filter, no corporate double-talk, no putting on airs - in short, refreshing honesty. Plus he gives further evidence to shake off this "look at us, we're so indie-friendly" fabrication that MS has been pushing recently. I find being assailed with utter bollocks far more offensive than using a naughty word in my presence.
OT again, I have don't really know who this Fish guy is but I can respect a fellow who speaks his mind and speaks it plainly. No PR filter, no corporate double-talk, no putting on airs - in short, refreshing honesty. Plus he gives further evidence to shake off this "look at us, we're so indie-friendly" fabrication that MS has been pushing recently. I find being assailed with utter bollocks far more offensive than using a naughty word in my presence.
because you will have to pay the milkman double the wage for it and last time he delivered half the bottles empty. if anything, the milkman would be fired and another found. If only game industry followed logic that is....Houseman said:
Actually personality has a huge impact on your place in the game industry. The only thing people care about in this industry a bit more than personality is talent. He probably wouldn't have had the problems he's encountered if he had a nicer personality.SquidSponge said:
Actually, last time the milkman didn't deliver the milk bottles because you had pissed in them.Strazdas said:
[Fish released a patch that broke saved games. Microsoft pulled the patch, and he threw a temper tantrum because he'd paid them to release it] (I am fully aware that the moment you need to explain an analogy it's gone too far)
He does have a general point, but the manner he expresses it in just destroys any credibility he had. Of course, he didn't actually have any before this, so no damage done.
This.Baldr said:
The guy is as unlikeable as people come and he never misses a chance to eff up his reputation a bit more. Not saying that MS is good guys, but I kinda wonder how his "talks" with MS went. If he was anything like himself in contract negotiations, I can see how he ended up in a bad spot. -.-
That being said, I read somewhere that MS is dropping the whole "pay to patch" thing. Need to find source.
AHG!! It is like a fist fight between Hitler,Kim Jong-un ,and Stalin..... I just want to see all of them beat to death for the good of all humanity. Micro$oft or Fish?.?.??? I just can not side with either and I hope they both lose out on this new console generation.....
Ah, the usual Fish forum responses
"he's an asshole!"
uum, why? nothing he's saying is wrong or even objectionable
"..."
So he's outspoken. Good. This industry needs it
"he's an asshole!"
uum, why? nothing he's saying is wrong or even objectionable
"..."
So he's outspoken. Good. This industry needs it