FFXIII-3: Lightning Returns demo. Thoughts?

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Atmos Duality

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It's no The Third Lightning.
(*yeeeeaaaooooww!!!*)

Seriously. I'm going to get a look at the demo this weekend. Not by my choice, but eh.
Maybe it won't be the ass the other FF13 games have been thus far.
 

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TizzytheTormentor said:
normalguycap said:
I'm sick of the characters angsting when they have no real reason to and do it poorly.
Lightning lost her sister Serah.
Snow lost his fiance (Serah)
Sazh had his child held hostage by the government and the kid was branded a l'cie.
Hope (14 years old) watched his mom die and was thrust into conflict.
Ha yeah. People bitching about Hope's angst in particular always cracked me up. I mean the kid watched his Mum fall to her death, what more do you need for his angst to be justified lol.
 

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ShinyCharizard said:
Ha yeah. People bitching about Hope's angst in particular always cracked me up. I mean the kid watched his Mum fall to her death, what more do you need for his angst to be justified lol.
Yeah, for me, the problem wasn't that Hope was being angsty. The world of XIII would really suck to live in, and there is lots of reason for everyone in the party to have all the angst they want. The problem I had with him was that he was an annoying brat about it, and that's just not enjoyable to have to sit through.
 

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pjiutzi said:
ShinyCharizard said:
Ha yeah. People bitching about Hope's angst in particular always cracked me up. I mean the kid watched his Mum fall to her death, what more do you need for his angst to be justified lol.
Yeah, for me, the problem wasn't that Hope was being angsty. The world of XIII would really suck to live in, and there is lots of reason for everyone in the party to have all the angst they want. The problem I had with him was that he was an annoying brat about it, and that's just not enjoyable to have to sit through.
True. Despite being justified that doesn't make it enjoyable.
 

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TizzytheTormentor said:
I don't really know what to say than you didn't set the gambits to be efficient, if characters went off and attacked enemies you didn't want them to fight, you should have changed the gambits to reflect that, you can prioritize them to attack what the player is attacking or just not attack anything other than the monster the player has selected. I remember thinking my gambits through and I had a hyper competant team that revived and fully healed me so fast that the "please switch to another party member" message came up.

If the AI doesn't do what you want or behaves erratically, its your fault, you set them to behave that way and sometimes the game has a different idea of what your commands ensue. For example, I have the gambit to auto use haste, I equipped a reflect ring for a boss battle, my unit stood there trying to haste themselves (it was reflected each time) the game is not at fault, it was me not thinking it through (when I see monsters like elemental's I wanna get past, I either flee or turn off the gambits briefly)

I see no reason to dislike the gambit system, think about it, you control the AI completely, if its too competent, tone it down, if they aren't good enough, set them up to be better, if they didn't work, you try something else, I never had a problem with it.
I'll second that. The Gambit system in FFXII was amazing. You had full control over your characters if you set it up right, and it totally took the pain and chore out of leveling. Best battle system in a FF game next to FFVII.

The FFXIII-3 demo made me pick up FFXIII again, as I still haven't finished it. I've finally reached Gran Pulse, and I'm totally enjoying it. I'm very happy I kept going even though some of the first ten chapters were pretty dull. If it continues the rise in quality towards the end, I might be keen on picking up XIII-2 as well. I still think the story is pretty stupid though, and this is where SE needs to improve in future games in the series. Like others have pointed out, they need better writers to make us care about the characters again.
 

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I finally had the chance to play it, and I liked it (although I was hoping it'd be more dynamic, a la Kingdom Hearts). Much better than having to wait around while your ATB would fill up, although I didn't care for the wardrobe changes when you change job (hopefully you can use whichever you want). Really made me want to know what the hell is going on, though. Good job, demo.

Also, is it dependent on timing when you fully block an attack? I've had it happen a couple of times, and took no damage, but for the life of me I can't redo it whenever.
 

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pjiutzi said:
ShinyCharizard said:
Ha yeah. People bitching about Hope's angst in particular always cracked me up. I mean the kid watched his Mum fall to her death, what more do you need for his angst to be justified lol.
Yeah, for me, the problem wasn't that Hope was being angsty. The world of XIII would really suck to live in, and there is lots of reason for everyone in the party to have all the angst they want. The problem I had with him was that he was an annoying brat about it, and that's just not enjoyable to have to sit through.
Maybe I'm a heartless unfeeling bastard, but most of that shit you get over. By the 3rd FF13, they are still angsting over that shit. "Well, I lost a loved one. Guess I'll have to find someone else." Yeah it sucks, but these people I guess, live for *ucking centuries! More than enough time to come to terms with the event and move on. Angst only works effectively if we as an audience have been with a character when they are happy. If we see their emotions, then we better connect with them when they get all shitty. I think I remember even Cloud had a small sense of humor which most people forgot.
 

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As far the heroine sidetrack goes, I actually always liked Yuna. I like the way she a doormat, but she's proud to be a doormat. That's a kind of heroism, to choose to contain yourself for the good of others, to not be powerful or flashy and let people mock you a bit for your gentle ways but to do them anyway because at your core you know them to be right.

She would bend over backwards to accommodate someone, but if you tried to get her to stop it you'd find she's an absolute rock.

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Also, the story was bollocks. I am not sure if the demo was from a middle section, or a missed a lot by not playing the previous games (only played through the first one), but it made no sense at all. The characters were all the same, but different: Lightning was a messiah/reaper, Hope was Otacon, Snow was an AC villain and Serah had a dark clone... Of course, I don't blame it on the demo, but it made me extra sure it would be pointless to play this one if I didn't bought the last one first.
Most of this is FFXIII-2 stuff. The game involved time travel so a lot of it was 'look what happens to this person and what they become in life', particularly with Hope. I didn't quite complete the game so I don't know about Snow or the dark clone (or maybe I've come across the dark clone? FFXIII-2 is a long game still) but Snow was paying some heavy consequences for the things which had happened and I think they could have been leading off to something that unhinges him. My memory of XIII-2 is really fuzzy, but I think he might even have come to believe that Lightning was going to cause some great disaster and he had to stop her?
 

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normalguycap said:
I think I remember even Cloud had a small sense of humor which most people forgot.
Indeed, mostly throughout disc 1 of FFVII. He was very sarcastic and even kind of outspoken; he was just a bit of a prick and tried too hard to act the part of the heartless mercenary when that wasn't him. He's a bit more dour on disc 2, but still nowhere near his AC personality and by the end of disc 2/disc 3 he's a typical hero in most ways.

OT: I found it very meh. Combat felt clunky, and didn't even look especially cool. Plot still seems like ridiculous melodrama (that's FF in general, but the XIII-saga seems to have taken it up to 11) and the colour pallet in the pre-rendered cutscenes still makes my eyes bleed.

I didn't like XIII, thought XIII-2 was an improvement but still wasn't a huge fan and it looks like I'm going back to dislike for this. Also, what is it with this series and starting out every game with a ridiculous, OTT, flashy fight scene? It wasn't as silly or cringe-worthy as XIII-2's opening ("Lose yourself in battle and rejoice!" ... ugh) but it still wasn't good. Advent Children ruined this franchise XD
 

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I actually enjoyed FFXIII and XIII-2. I love FF and have played every one. I quite disliked this though. XIII has been run into the ground and I just don't like Lightning anymore lol. Do not want...
 

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TizzytheTormentor said:
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Yeah we will just have to agree to disagree I finished XII and beat Yiazmat and Omega weapon and I still think the Gambit system was deeply flawed there were only so many ways you could set it up and the A.I still got confused during the worst possible times (and I had a pretty good grasp of it after 126 hours of playing) it would have been easier to just select through a menu.

This confusion rarely lasted more than 1/2 a second only a few times did I catch them completely spazzing out for no reason but in the tricky fights that 1/2 second may be all thats needed for the battle to start going downhill the Omega weapon fight is a good example as if you get behind its very hard to catch back up. FFX has the best combat in the series for me personally.

I also found the gambit in Dragon Age origins horrible there really just is not enough slots to account for every situation meaning constant switching which takes longer than just running into a battle and selecting everything manually unless ofc you are grinding on the same mobs (and they arent dangerous to your team).

As I said selecting your team to attack the one you are attacking or attack when attacked are pretty bad as you lose the initiative either in part or completely while attack everything was ok but you had to make sure they didnt commit suicide.

I have a friend who liked the system though but for the vast majority of people I know they strongly disliked it, actually come to think of it I am the only person I know IRL who actually finished XII or XIII (I dont know anyone who bought XIII except me) but I know loads who finished VII , VIII and X and a few on VI and IX.

Dosent matter though as that system is gone I look forward to trying out XIII-3 and its system but I am more interested in FFXV now really I am getting tired of Lightning and co but as long as I get to kill Snow I will be satisfied actually im not tired of Sazh and Fang was ok to but the rest yeah not great. I dont know how you could like Vaan usually I can see how someone may like them even if I dont but im at a loss here its like someone liking Snow or Rush from The Last Remnant I just cant see any redeeming factors at least he had more personality than Fran though I will give him that but then again a beige wall has more personality than her as well.

I hope they dont start making a lot of the game DLC again im not paying for any on FFXIII-2 how it ends on the disc is the full story as far as im concerned just like with Asuras Wrath (still salty over that).

If you just played the main story in FFXIII you could get by with auto battle but later on fights are still easier if you select your own try taking down a Long Gui with auto battle :) or indeed any tricky enemy i.e the post game enemies some you probably could win doing this but I dont think you would be getting five stars. The trouble is as I said most of the game there is little reason not to just use auto battle.

The only creature I had trouble casting Doom on me was one of the end game creatures cant remember its name it may have been a superpowered Ochu but it had super high damage to go along with Doom making it a nightmare to deal with dont remember having any trouble with Barthandelous but I know I stopped using auto battle all the time when I got to gran pulse (i.e the first fun part of the game) so maybe thats why I had an easier time beating him.

For giant health bars nothing beats Yiazmat though in FF offline games anyway that thing takes forever to go down luckily hes not that hard its just a massive battle of attrition and patience ofc goddamn having to pause and switch in equipment for different attacks he is preparing was annoying. Watch battle oh attack telegraphed pause change equipment unpause attack happens pause change equipment back carry on.