and plus you get to play mini-game where u can catch frogs...so you can eat em. awesome.HyenaThePirate said:
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I think if they remade Final Fantasy VIII with today's gaming technology but kept the combat system and everything in tact, I have a feeling that it would get rave reviews. Especially from older gamers who remember those early FInal Fantasy years.
The problem with VIII is that I think most people expected it to be a spiritual successor to Final Fantasy VII which it wasn't. Thing is, Final Fantasy VII gets by largely on Nostalgia factor, it was the first major RPG of the Playstation generation, and the first cinematic RPG that most people cut their teeth on. This is why so many people hail it as the best, even though the story is a ridiculous mess, the combat/materia system flawed in many ways, and your patience would be tested to the absolute LIMITS if the game came out today: Can't skip Summons?! Having to rewatch the SAME Bahamut summon for like 3 minutes over and over again every time you use it? Most gamers would cry about that. Also, the game was LITERALLY a BATTLE EVERY STEP OF THE WAY. I for one don't mind random encounters, I prefer it to the onscreen enemies thing, because it adds an air of uncertainty.. what could attack me next from the DARK in this strange forest?! or what "random rare monster" might pop up for me to catch or kill? That's the sort of thing missing from rpgs this day and age.. everyone is so gosh darn committed to telling some STORY that they consistently place the GAME second in their priorities.
Plus, timing your abilities with the gunblade for that little extra damage made the game more dynamic and kept me from just spamming the "x" button incessantly.
To be honest, the combat system in White Knight Chronicles is ten times better than Final Fantasy XIII.
DOn't get me wrong, there is still alot to love about XIII, but I just feel disappointed (or perhaps let down?) that the series seems to be getting more and more watered down with each iteration... JRPGS are becoming more about watching cut scenes and taking Cosplay to the next level than gameplay. Where are the sidequests? The mini-games? The risk/reward systems that made you FEEL like you accomplished anything? Now you get trophies for just getting through a corridor. Linearity has probably always been something you have in JRPGS but this isn't just linear, Final Fantasy XIII is like an RPG Rail Shooter.. a straight line.. Horde mode for anime fans.
Worse, this is BLU RAY disk here! You could have filled it to the BRIM with awesome side quests and what not.
Add to it that there is little to NO replay value to this game, and little to no chance of DLC and I'm left wondering what I ran out and spent $60 for. This could have really waited till it hit the $20 mark.
The problem with VIII is that I think most people expected it to be a spiritual successor to Final Fantasy VII which it wasn't. Thing is, Final Fantasy VII gets by largely on Nostalgia factor, it was the first major RPG of the Playstation generation, and the first cinematic RPG that most people cut their teeth on. This is why so many people hail it as the best, even though the story is a ridiculous mess, the combat/materia system flawed in many ways, and your patience would be tested to the absolute LIMITS if the game came out today: Can't skip Summons?! Having to rewatch the SAME Bahamut summon for like 3 minutes over and over again every time you use it? Most gamers would cry about that. Also, the game was LITERALLY a BATTLE EVERY STEP OF THE WAY. I for one don't mind random encounters, I prefer it to the onscreen enemies thing, because it adds an air of uncertainty.. what could attack me next from the DARK in this strange forest?! or what "random rare monster" might pop up for me to catch or kill? That's the sort of thing missing from rpgs this day and age.. everyone is so gosh darn committed to telling some STORY that they consistently place the GAME second in their priorities.
Plus, timing your abilities with the gunblade for that little extra damage made the game more dynamic and kept me from just spamming the "x" button incessantly.
To be honest, the combat system in White Knight Chronicles is ten times better than Final Fantasy XIII.
DOn't get me wrong, there is still alot to love about XIII, but I just feel disappointed (or perhaps let down?) that the series seems to be getting more and more watered down with each iteration... JRPGS are becoming more about watching cut scenes and taking Cosplay to the next level than gameplay. Where are the sidequests? The mini-games? The risk/reward systems that made you FEEL like you accomplished anything? Now you get trophies for just getting through a corridor. Linearity has probably always been something you have in JRPGS but this isn't just linear, Final Fantasy XIII is like an RPG Rail Shooter.. a straight line.. Horde mode for anime fans.
Worse, this is BLU RAY disk here! You could have filled it to the BRIM with awesome side quests and what not.
Add to it that there is little to NO replay value to this game, and little to no chance of DLC and I'm left wondering what I ran out and spent $60 for. This could have really waited till it hit the $20 mark.
My problem with FF8 are as follows:HyenaThePirate said:
- Story makes no sense at all. One second this is happening, the next all that stuff doesn't matter and now this is happening...how we got from that to this, umm, just CAUSE. Yeah, it tries to be sad with Eyes on Me and all that, but honestly, can you explain to me what happened in that game? I think the characters within were just as confused as I were.
- The combat system is crap. Farming magic sucks. Also, enemies that level WITH you is a major turn off for me in RPGs. I purchased Dragon Age: Origins and the MOMENT I realized that everything levels as you do, I traded it in. If you make leveling up meaningless, you just lost half the fun that makes the game an RPG. Also, cast summon, mash Square, win. Those aren't exactly exciting fights.
- The characters are annoying. Squall the brooding emo, Zell the annoying Mentos commerical (thumps up!), Ms. I like Trains, Hot Teacher with constant PMS, The Cowboy (failed attempt to appeal to Western Audience?)...none of them are interesting, none of them have any depth. There is no character change throughout the game, the characters are exactly the same at the start as they are at the end. FF13 has already made me love, hate, love, hate and love the same character over and over, because they are progressing with you and have actual depth. Barret from FFVII is a big black, gun for a hand foul mouth and he has more character and personality than every character in 8 put together. You can completely remove Laguna from the story as well and nothing would have been effected. He was there simply to add the romance, explain MINOR backstory that could have been honestly removed as well, and then forced back in one last time to progress the plot. I honestly hate them ALL. Jumping back to story for a second. ALL the main characters (minus Rinoa) grew up together, NONE of them remembered it, and they all just HAPPENED to get together randomly? AND they were raised by the Evil, then good, Edea. What are the odds?!?!
I FELT more in FFIX than I did in VIII, and it was a better game.
I probably wont be buying this.
FFX was my 1st FF.
I played it with no idea what to expect, not ever hearing of the term Turn Based Combat, and I loved it!
It brought a different slow paced strategy element that I'd not played before.
After that I played FFXII n boy was I disappointed. If I wanted a hack n slash I'd buy one, lord knows there are plenty to chose from. True the majority western audience doesn't like Turn Based, but whats wrong with being different. Let those people pick from the vast array of slashers out there? Is it soo bad I think there should be a variety of styles out there? I hate flight sims, I don't think we should rid the world of them, and what ever happened to point and click? I'm ranting so I'll stop there.
Anyone know a good current gen turn based game? Lost Odyssey wasn't bad but didn't give me the excitement of FFX
FFX was my 1st FF.
I played it with no idea what to expect, not ever hearing of the term Turn Based Combat, and I loved it!
It brought a different slow paced strategy element that I'd not played before.
After that I played FFXII n boy was I disappointed. If I wanted a hack n slash I'd buy one, lord knows there are plenty to chose from. True the majority western audience doesn't like Turn Based, but whats wrong with being different. Let those people pick from the vast array of slashers out there? Is it soo bad I think there should be a variety of styles out there? I hate flight sims, I don't think we should rid the world of them, and what ever happened to point and click? I'm ranting so I'll stop there.
Anyone know a good current gen turn based game? Lost Odyssey wasn't bad but didn't give me the excitement of FFX
I haven't even gotten that far yet.Jaranja said:
I'm only up to the part where you fight that big mechanical thing in the Cocoon Deadlands with Sazh Lightning and Vannile.
So only about 6 hours in.
I would love to write a page-long review of it here, but I'm already doing that for my student newspaper, so I'll just say it's a great game. Listen to the people defending it. It has a great combat system and a genuinely dramatic and emotional story, with impressively complex drama between them all. Sure, it's rather linear, but it does well for the pacing and it not so bad as to actually be a negative thing. I am loving it so far.
Eternal Sonata and Enchanted Arms are interesting turn based games, and current gen at that.Mr Ink 5000 said:
Eternal Sonata is brilliant once you get over the va, Enchanted Arms bored me to death though and my friend says the story suckedMr Ink 5000 said:
Eternal Sonata is a good game, but its a bit too FMV-tastic even for me (and I didn't mind MGS4) which means if you want to progress the story you can't just play for 1/2hr or so as you'll probably end up in the middle of a cutscene when you need to stop playing. Combat is fun with some stratagy (and is 3 player if you really want) and the art style is great.Mr Ink 5000 said:
Not played Enchanted Arms though.
I won't lie, it's my favorite too, because of the story. Also, I teared up a bit at the end, until I saw the very end.HyenaThePirate said:
Yeah, right.HyenaThePirate said:
I'm sure it wasn't because the gameplay mechanics are dull, broken and counterintuitive. Like how stocking magic is a boring pain in the arse. Or how using magic is pointless because it makes you weaker and would force you to go get more magic. Or how using summons are pointless because they take so goddamn long and don't do much damage unless you mash a button (fun! not). Or how it doesn't matter that magics or summoning are useless because the game is piss easy even with nothing but normal attacks and limit breaks. Or how increasing your level makes the game more difficult because the enemy level scaling is broken.
Or how the story is poorly written garbage. Like the absurdly contrived and completely pointless plot points (just think of the orphanage scene, or how they let time compression occur so they can stop the time compression from occuring, or how Laguna is the president of Esthar, or the plot convenience of the Ragnarok randomly appearing or oh god so many). Or how laughable the Squall/Rinoa romance is when Squall constantly acts like a jerk to Rinoa right up until the point that Rinoa is unconcious, and then resumes being a jerk right afterwards ("I'm not your mother"). Or how even a main character like Selphie is a shallow, saccharine cliche. Or how all the main characters are shown to be incompetent morons by scenes like the attempted Edea assassination. Or how bad the dialogue is ("Chickenwuss!" or Edea's speeches..). Or completely ridiculous characters like Doc Odine.
Yeah, I'm sure it's none of those reasons, or any of the other excellent reasons why FF8 is bad. It's because it's like so emotional, man. Yeah right.
Twilight is a very good comparison for FF8 - badly written teenage melodrama. If only Twilight was also a game that had bad gameplay, the comparison would be complete.
Both offer fun battle systems in their right. Eternal Sonata deals with light and shadow. Your characters are given X amount of time to either move and attack, or attack, and the attack changes based on whether you're in the light or shadow. I found combat to be a lot of fun. The voice acting was also good and it's quite a unique little story. It suffers from preachiness, a lame villain and more cast members than you'll use. But it's a solid, fun JRPG and been out a while, so you'll get it at a reasonable price.Mr Ink 5000 said:
Enchanted Arms has been out longer and you'll have no trouble getting it cheap, regardless of console choice. Combat relies on a grid system; you can move to certain squares and your attack will have a unique range (if you've played Shadow Hearts 2 and 3, it's like the spells' area of attack range, just with a grid). The cast is small, but it's ideal because this game also has you collecting monster minions to add to the roster. The choice of casting for some characters wasn't pleasant (not bad actors by any means, just wrong voices, especially Yuki's), and the main character would always pronounce this guy Makoto as Makato for some stupid reason, but it was overall well done. Oh, and there's a Japanese track, I believe. The graphics are terribly uninteresting; what saves it is the story, which is good and the actual 'game' is solid and fun.
I like it, haven't finished it yet though.
but they've done quite well with it so far.
I'm glad to see there's actual character growth and development happening throughout the plot as well. I will always hate Hope though. Whiny little pissant.
I'm still waiting for the time when I can actually set up my party the way I want with the people *I* want to use. Segmented parties usually piss me off to no end,
I'm glad to see there's actual character growth and development happening throughout the plot as well. I will always hate Hope though. Whiny little pissant.
No, that's the problem, I DO know what makes Final Fantasy, Final Fantasy, and this game lacks most of it. Final Fantasy has never had a "Oh, it gets better once you devote 30 hours to the game." That is complete and utter bullshit. For many people, they will get bored extremely fast with this game, not willing to put in the 30 plus hours that make this game start to shine.Grampy_bone said:
Yes, this game has a great battle system, in no other FF game have I actually felt involved or on edge during a boss fight. I now actually have to pause the game if I want to go out and have a smoke. Sadly, the style of combat loses its edge once you hit that 30 hour mark, as you start to run passed enemies, and not waste anymore time fighting, and just get on with the game.
The story is god-awful. Yes I may be a complete fucking idiot for not picking up on the story the first four to six hours in, but Jesus Christ. You're not given a reason why the people of Cocoon are rebelling, or why Lightning goes fucking ballistic on the train, you don't know what the "Purge" is, or why it's happening, or who the "bad guy(s)" are until six hours fucking later.
And... As for the linear style game play, yes other Final Fantasy games (and most, if not all RPG's) did a good job of hiding it, because it allowed for some fucking freedom in the game. This game allows for no side quests, until, once again, 30 Goddamn hours into it. I'm not asking for a sandbox style RPG, but I like to have a choice whether I'd like to complete some other task, or grind my level up before continuing onto the main story line. Oh, and the boss battles, what the shit? What happened to a challenge? They just take forever and a goddamn day, they aren't hard, and require little to no strategy, other then repeatedly pressing "A" until it's dead. The only "boss" that required me to actually think about what to do was Cid.
I like to explore in games, whether it be go down the hallway away from your main goal, or go to a new city. I like that feeling of "finally beating that damn boss, and opening a new area to explore." I like to visit the towns in a game, go to the shops, buy brand new gear, interact with the NPC's, pick up some side quests for some extra coin in your pocket, and in general just look at the area. Cobblestone roads, wooden buildings, I like to look at the detail the level designers put into the game, and just take a break from the constant barrage of enemies.
Currently I'm in Gran Pulse doing the side missions for the L'Cie/Cie'th stones. I quit playing, and am actually ENJOYING a different linear style game: Metro 2033, where I have a choice of how to approach a level.
You mean the game doesn't support trophies?doctorwhofan said:
I am not surprised it takes 60+ hours, I just watch 4 mins of a girl running around and occasionally looking at the map.D Bones said:
On topic. I loved FFX, I liked the turn based combat, it was different. Taking that away makes it like every other game.
