Fillers that ruined an Anime.

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You know the deal: you're watching the first episodes of an anime, everything is great, storyline works, and the characters are deep. Then you run across a problem. Fillers seem to kinda take away from the general experience of an anime for me. My example would be Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex. The story was mysterious and engaging, and all the characters except for the main one wore normal clothes and had actual arcs. But then fillers came and killed it. All the story lines involving tachicoma and whiny derpy derpy doo-ing ruined the streak of excellence the show had put in my heart. So tell me, Escapists, what animes have you seen that were ruined by fillers?
 

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Naruto. 80 episodes? Are you joking?

(I know they were too close to the manga at the time.)
 

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Naruto and Bleach are both ntorious for filler episodes, to theetent I no long watch either, which is a shame....But seriously, so. Much. Filler!
 

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Bleach. Just bleach. It's more filler than anime at this point. And all the different times when the relative power levels just radically change. In the bount arc, Ichigo can't even fight as well as a damn lieutenant level, despite beating a captain in the arc previous. and in the Hueco Mundo arc, Ichigo is saved by someone he had beaten before he even unlocked bankai, and there's no way he gained more power than ichigo did with all the abilities that ichigo has gained.
 

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Both Naruto and Bleach, although at time of writing this has already been mentioned twice. I'm not sure if Naruto did this, but Bleach committed what I consider to be the ultimate in anime sins. Have a boring, nonsensical and unimportant filler arc, slap bang in the middle of another, far more exciting story arc.

Seriously, when the Bounto arc popped up halfway through the Heuco Mundo arc I was simultaneously pissed and confused.
 

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The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya which wasn't ruined by filler but rather, by mood. The first few episodes are fine, as are all the bits of comic relief but I don't like how they over-dramatized the thing. It would have fared better as a strictly comedic series. Of course DBZ is the one that's the most notorious for filler, even DBZ Kai, which cuts out on a lot of the useless bits is still over loaded with unnecessary bits.
 

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Cant make a thread about fillers in animes w/o m,mentioning DBZ. They'd spend most the majority of each episode standing around looking at each other or taking forever to power up. Good times.

Joke: How many DBZ characters does it take to screw in a lightbulb?

I dunno, how many?

One, but it takes him five episodes to do it.

:p
 

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Naruto, Shugo Chara (Although this one was intended for small kids so i don't blame it too much for keeping things simple and repetitive)
Erm.....Bleach, One Piece....
Mostly Long Runners.
They don't move the plot forward, they just keep making up reasons for the characters to fight or just..go on a vacation or something
 

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Naruto fillers made the anime so dull and boring. Even the funny ones are meaningless and forgettable.
 

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spartan231490 said:
Bleach. Just bleach. It's more filler than anime at this point. And all the different times when the relative power levels just radically change. In the bount arc, Ichigo can't even fight as well as a damn lieutenant level, despite beating a captain in the arc previous.
Thanatus1992 said:
Seriously, when the Bounto arc popped up halfway through the Heuco Mundo arc I was simultaneously pissed and confused.
Heh. I knew Bleach was going to get mentioned early and repeatedly. The really sad part is that after watching more recent episodes, the Bount filler arc looks great in comparison to the absolute clusterfuck the show devolved into. The more recent filler has been absolutely atrocious, and even most of the non-filler has been worse than the Bount arc was. I ended up watching most of the episodes from I think 200-300 or so at 1.5x speed just to see how much worse the show could possibly get and what would eventually happen with the Aizen nonsense, and holy crap did it ever get worse. As strange as it is to say it, I miss how good the Bount arc was in comparison and completely stopped watching it after the massive derp-fest of the Aizen showdown. My brain can only take so much stupid.
 

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The Endless Eight episodes from the second season of The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya.

In fact I had literally done an almost identical post to this one in another forum a couple of minutes ago, after realising their extent after watching the third one.
 

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Dragon Ball Z. Going from the manga to anime was incredibly jarring. I know the manga didn't exactly have the quickest fight scenes, but wow, the anime takes forever to get anywhere. It was so damn bloated with filler that it was nearly unwatchable to me. Course, I have not yet watched Kai, which I have heard cut down majorly on the filler, but seriously, when you have to cut out 3/4s of a show just so it is watchable, you have a problem.
 

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Seeing as I generally stick to anime that are short and have two 12 episode seasons I don't really have much to base filler off of. I guess Naruto is pretty bad quantity wise but the filler is rather nice most of the time and fleshes out the characters a bit more or adds new characters that appear later. The most recent arc is actually pretty nice, going over how the villages are preparing for the great ninja war, delving into the spesifics of Naruto's shadow clones, ect. Even though it was a while back the entire Guren arc, while technically filler, consisted of some of my favorite episodes.
 

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naruto, bleach, and most of the DBZ (the one where piccolo learns to drive is awesome, though) fillers are terrible.
but InuYasha, Hellsing, and Full Metal Alchemist do a good job of making good filler. InuYasha's are good because they are short (only 1 episode long), funny, and expand character depth. Hellsing's are good because because they are funny, but are extremely short and only last a few minutes. FMA's are good for the same reasons as InuYasha's.
 

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One that has not been mentioned, but needs to be is Inyuasha. I watched every episode of Inyuasha and I enjoyed it when it was not in filler mode. The final season that came out in 2009 and finished the series actually worked.

An important thing to note about filler is why they exist. They typically happen because an episode of an anime covers fall more than a chapter of the manga that the anime is based on. This means the anime needs to add stuff not in the manga to fill time so the manga can get ahead again. This stuff that exists just for the anime can't have anything important happen in it because when the anime returns to the manga story line it has to ignore the filler. That is one thing Naruto filler has over Bleach filler. Naruto filler never intrudes on the main story. Bleach filler characters randomly appear in other parts of the story where they don't belong.
 

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Thanatus1992 said:
Seriously, when the Bounto arc popped up halfway through the Heuco Mundo arc I was simultaneously pissed and confused.
The bount arc came before the hueco mundo arc. I say this as somebody who just watched the entire show from start to finish. The one that came in the middle of the hueco mundo arc was the new captain arc. Truth be told though I felt a little bad for the manga staff, it had gotten to the point where Kubo (the manga author) was being forced to cut out plot elements and characters just to stay ahead of the anime (you can read up on the background of the menos forest mini-arc if you're interested in that.). So in any event I may not have liked that they did filler, but I understood the need for it instead of getting pissed and confused.

I will say that if there's any saving grace it's that Bleach filler is usually better than Naruto filler in terms of writing and general quality. And in the very least Bleach's fillers usually are condensed together, SELF CONTAINED and therefor easy to skip. Naruto dices it's filler into episodes with actual main plot elements so you have to watch EVERYTHING. No matter how bad it is. Probably the worst Bleach filler arc was the beast swords. Loooootta WTF moments there.
 

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All the giant recap bits in episode of Dragonball Z, Naruto, and Yu Yu Hakusho.

Seriously, I don't need to see the last two minutes of an episode I just watched.
 

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Most anime seems to kill its own mood if it is dragged on for too long. Comedies turn into dramas, actions turn into romances, shit melts together....and...I'm not sure why. Maybe...fan requests? Money?

Just stick with the manga as far as im concerned unless you can get a complete series dvd for a good show thats only the necessary amount of episodes it needs to tell the story.
 

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I watched Bleach up to just past the end of the arc with the zanpakutou rebellion against the shinigami, so I haven't been watching any of about a year and a half's worth, but I think Bleach filler is a mixed bag. Honestly, the Bount arc was alright for its purpose, giving Kubo some time to get ahead with the main story. It was at least a decent story, and the Bount were an interesting idea. I actually enjoyed the Past Arc, dealing with the creation of the vizard, and the whole zanpakutou rebellion stories. But *gyuh*, that stupid Kasumi-Ooji/new captain arc, that was just horrible. It should never have existed. Its creation was a crime against anime. I stopped watching when the filler after the zanpakutou arc was looking like it was going to fall to that level again. As badly as I wanted to see the main story again, I couldn't deal with another filler arc as dreadful as the new captain one.
 

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GamerKT said:
Naruto. 80 episodes? Are you joking?

(I know they were too close to the manga at the time.)
f-ing Naruto.

Naruto actually seemed like it had an interesting plot, which would have been much more interesting if they actually STUCK to the main story! for the majority of the show they completely forget the main plot, and instead have tons of filler stuffed in there.

But filler isn't inherently bad, right? I mean, one could say that Cowboy Bebop was almost entirely filler. Well, filler is bad when it generally is the same basic side-plot repeated over and over and OVER! We get it, some angsty kid, blahblahblah, GET BACK TO THE MAIN STORY!
 

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Schierke said:
They're annoying yes, but in that case, why not just skip over them?
the problem with skipping filler is you don't know if it will be complete filler, if there will be some major plot development revealed in it, or if there will be some interesting character development in it that makes it worth watching. Filler isn't always bad, it can be used for great character development, or even possibly connect back to the main storyline. What sucks is that you often can't tell the difference between good filler and bad filler until after you've watched it..
 

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Bleach. Just bleach. It's more filler than anime at this point. And all the different times when the relative power levels just radically change. In the bount arc, Ichigo can't even fight as well as a damn lieutenant level, despite beating a captain in the arc previous. and in the Hueco Mundo arc, Ichigo is saved by someone he had beaten before he even unlocked bankai, and there's no way he gained more power than ichigo did with all the abilities that ichigo has gained.

To argue the Hueco Mundo arch, Ichigo beat Zaraki because he had the full power of his sword. That wasn't his natural power at the time, after that battle he returned to the strength he had in wich Zaraki beat him with ease. The energy that he used to beat(and I mean beat losely, as we all know Ichigo collapsed first while Zaraki was still standing and had time to reminisce)Zaraki was his Zanpakuto's power, power he didn't have untill later on.
 

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Honestly, I usually look up plot summaries for fillers before I decide to watch them. It can be very frustrating to find a decent, enjoyable anime that chugs along for a while and then end up stranded in the mire of pointless filler.

Obviously, the worst offenders would be Bleach/Naruto/One Piece/etc, but I have found fillers in other series, and occasionally, a series made nearly entirely of filler. *coughsamuraichamploocough*
 

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l3o2828 said:
Naruto, Shugo Chara (Although this one was intended for small kids so i don't blame it too much for keeping things simple and repetitive)
Erm.....Bleach, One Piece....
Mostly Long Runners.
They don't move the plot forward, they just keep making up reasons for the characters to fight or just..go on a vacation or something
One Piece has a couple of them, but compared to the others, they are still fun to watch.
 

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I've watched Naruto from the beginning up to the end of the Pain saga. I just skip the filler episodes for the most part. They very rarely have any bearing on the main story arcs. Now that I'm talking about it, I should start watching it again.
 

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Asuka Soryu said:
spartan231490 said:
Bleach. Just bleach. It's more filler than anime at this point. And all the different times when the relative power levels just radically change. In the bount arc, Ichigo can't even fight as well as a damn lieutenant level, despite beating a captain in the arc previous. and in the Hueco Mundo arc, Ichigo is saved by someone he had beaten before he even unlocked bankai, and there's no way he gained more power than ichigo did with all the abilities that ichigo has gained.

To argue the Hueco Mundo arch, Ichigo beat Zaraki because he had the full power of his sword. That wasn't his natural power at the time, after that battle he returned to the strength he had in wich Zaraki beat him with ease. The energy that he used to beat(and I mean beat losely, as we all know Ichigo collapsed first while Zaraki was still standing and had time to reminisce)Zaraki was his Zanpakuto's power, power he didn't have untill later on.
And according to the mythos you gain your zanpakto's power when you gain bankai. And even if that's not true, bankai should have made him several times stronger, and his vizard powers multiply his strength yet further. And zaraki's power would have been reduced because it was hueco mundo, and soul-reaper powers are weaker in hueco mundo, whereas Ichigo's vizard powers should have been made stronger. And those were only 2 small examples, there are dozens more.
 

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Nalgas D. Lemur said:
spartan231490 said:
Bleach. Just bleach. It's more filler than anime at this point. And all the different times when the relative power levels just radically change. In the bount arc, Ichigo can't even fight as well as a damn lieutenant level, despite beating a captain in the arc previous.
Thanatus1992 said:
Seriously, when the Bounto arc popped up halfway through the Heuco Mundo arc I was simultaneously pissed and confused.
Heh. I knew Bleach was going to get mentioned early and repeatedly. The really sad part is that after watching more recent episodes, the Bount filler arc looks great in comparison to the absolute clusterfuck the show devolved into. The more recent filler has been absolutely atrocious, and even most of the non-filler has been worse than the Bount arc was. I ended up watching most of the episodes from I think 200-300 or so at 1.5x speed just to see how much worse the show could possibly get and what would eventually happen with the Aizen nonsense, and holy crap did it ever get worse. As strange as it is to say it, I miss how good the Bount arc was in comparison and completely stopped watching it after the massive derp-fest of the Aizen showdown. My brain can only take so much stupid.
I never even finished the aizen arc. I just couldn't take it anymore and stopped. The fact that Ichigo's level of strength follows the path of a seismograph print-out if you throw it in a washing machine and then a dryer just ruined the whole thing for me.

The bount arc was tolerable, before that was awesome, and the rest just got worse and worse and worse. So much ruined potential that it really made me die a little inside.
 

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All the giant recap bits in episode of Dragonball Z, Naruto, and Yu Yu Hakusho.

Seriously, I don't need to see the last two minutes of an episode I just watched.
Agreed, but at least with Yu Yu Hakusho the actual show had slim to no filler at all, the first season even managed to get through 5 important story arcs, as for in show filler, everything I could say has already been mentioned with bleach, naruto, and DBZ
 

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spartan231490 said:
Asuka Soryu said:
spartan231490 said:
Bleach. Just bleach. It's more filler than anime at this point. And all the different times when the relative power levels just radically change. In the bount arc, Ichigo can't even fight as well as a damn lieutenant level, despite beating a captain in the arc previous. and in the Hueco Mundo arc, Ichigo is saved by someone he had beaten before he even unlocked bankai, and there's no way he gained more power than ichigo did with all the abilities that ichigo has gained.

To argue the Hueco Mundo arch, Ichigo beat Zaraki because he had the full power of his sword. That wasn't his natural power at the time, after that battle he returned to the strength he had in wich Zaraki beat him with ease. The energy that he used to beat(and I mean beat losely, as we all know Ichigo collapsed first while Zaraki was still standing and had time to reminisce)Zaraki was his Zanpakuto's power, power he didn't have untill later on.
And according to the mythos you gain your zanpakto's power when you gain bankai. And even if that's not true, bankai should have made him several times stronger, and his vizard powers multiply his strength yet further. And zaraki's power would have been reduced because it was hueco mundo, and soul-reaper powers are weaker in hueco mundo, whereas Ichigo's vizard powers should have been made stronger. And those were only 2 small examples, there are dozens more.
Yes, but Ichigo's main power is the same as Zaraki's, so once his mask came off he should also feel the same decrease. Not to mention Ichigo was near dead with only 1/3rd his Bankai power when Nnoitra kicked his ass around.
 

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Naruto comes to mind, the filler ones got just stupid, like a ninja prison? The only way it would work is if it was a graveyard. Naruto was awesome but the filler... a few of them were good but mostly they just sucked.
 

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Asuka Soryu said:
spartan231490 said:
Asuka Soryu said:
spartan231490 said:
Bleach. Just bleach. It's more filler than anime at this point. And all the different times when the relative power levels just radically change. In the bount arc, Ichigo can't even fight as well as a damn lieutenant level, despite beating a captain in the arc previous. and in the Hueco Mundo arc, Ichigo is saved by someone he had beaten before he even unlocked bankai, and there's no way he gained more power than ichigo did with all the abilities that ichigo has gained.

To argue the Hueco Mundo arch, Ichigo beat Zaraki because he had the full power of his sword. That wasn't his natural power at the time, after that battle he returned to the strength he had in wich Zaraki beat him with ease. The energy that he used to beat(and I mean beat losely, as we all know Ichigo collapsed first while Zaraki was still standing and had time to reminisce)Zaraki was his Zanpakuto's power, power he didn't have untill later on.
And according to the mythos you gain your zanpakto's power when you gain bankai. And even if that's not true, bankai should have made him several times stronger, and his vizard powers multiply his strength yet further. And zaraki's power would have been reduced because it was hueco mundo, and soul-reaper powers are weaker in hueco mundo, whereas Ichigo's vizard powers should have been made stronger. And those were only 2 small examples, there are dozens more.
Yes, but Ichigo's main power is the same as Zaraki's, so once his mask came off he should also feel the same decrease. Not to mention Ichigo was near dead with only 1/3rd his Bankai power when Nnoitra kicked his ass around.
there is also the fact that it is made very clear, especially earlier on that Ichigos power is very unstable

im going against the topic, gintama imo is an anime in which filler works well
 

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Bleach and Bleach alone once Naruto hit filler I switched to the manga, but Bleach, uarrg that was just agrivating, plus the fact they kept showing re-runs(adult swim). course they seemed to have rebooted the series after last nights episode, might be fun to try again.
 

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On-topic: I rarely watch anime over reading the original manga or light novels. That said, I'm quite certain some of my favorite manga would be considered by some to be 70% filler (like Ai Yori Aoshi), so I guess I'd have to say I don't really think filler ruins anything. At least, not in-and-of itself.

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The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya which wasn't ruined by filler but rather, by mood. The first few episodes are fine, as are all the bits of comic relief but I don't like how they over-dramatized the thing. It would have fared better as a strictly comedic series.
That's because the first six episodes of the first season were the adaptation of the first book. The other seven all adapted various short stories from books 3 and 5, with the only genuine anime-only "filler" being the final episode.
 

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You know why the fillers exist, don't you? It's because the anime in question is, or rather was, being produced along side a still running manga counterpart. The fillers occur every time the anime outran the it's manga counter part, so the producers of the anime had to fill in the gap while waiting for the author of the manga to create the next run of stories for them to create episodes off of. Of course by the time the series is exported to other regions it's usually already completely run it's course in Japan so to us it seems like so much unnecessary fluff.
Of course some fillers can be hugely entertaining, like the driving episode of DBZ for example, I believe it was entitled "Goku's Ordeal". Watching Goku and Piccolo try and learn to drive nearly made me bust a gut.
 

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Bleach and Naruto of course. Dropped the animes years ago but still read the manga. I can see why studios put fillers in to prolong the story and maintain support for the manga, but I recall Naruto's animation be sourced out to a Korean studio and the characters looked absolutely terrible.
 

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Thanatus1992 said:
Seriously, when the Bounto arc popped up halfway through the Heuco Mundo arc I was simultaneously pissed and confused.
I actually was enjoying Bleach up until that point, gave up after seeing a few bounto eps though, turned me right off.

Slightly on the flip side of the thread, there has been one filler I think has pulled itself off quite well, but that also assumes people have seen the Japanese version of Sailor Moon. =3
 

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fatal2704 said:
You know the deal: you're watching the first episodes of an anime, everything is great, storyline works, and the characters are deep. Then you run across a problem. Fillers seem to kinda take away from the general experience of an anime for me. My example would be Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex. The story was mysterious and engaging, and all the characters except for the main one wore normal clothes and had actual arcs. But then fillers came and killed it. All the story lines involving tachicoma and whiny derpy derpy doo-ing ruined the streak of excellence the show had put in my heart. So tell me, Escapists, what animes have you seen that were ruined by fillers?
Are you referring to the standalone self-contained episodes? Or just the annoying Tachikoma-centric ones? Either way, those were abundantly more tolerable than that "Night Cruise" episode. We interrupt your futuristic espionage show to bring a paranoid schizophrenic rambling for 20 minutes. Guh. Most of the episodes were fine for me, though.
 

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You know why the fillers exist, don't you? It's because the anime in question is, or rather was, being produced along side a still running manga counterpart. The fillers occur every time the anime outran the it's manga counter part, so the producers of the anime had to fill in the gap while waiting for the author of the manga to create the next run of stories for them to create episodes off of. Of course by the time the series is exported to other regions it's usually already completely run it's course in Japan so to us it seems like so much unnecessary fluff.
Of course some fillers can be hugely entertaining, like the driving episode of DBZ for example, I believe it was entitled "Goku's Ordeal". Watching Goku and Piccolo try and learn to drive nearly made me bust a gut.
I watched one from the original Dragon Ball the other day, called The Time Room. Basically, Mr. Popo sent Goku back in time to train under the guy who taught Master Roshi, and he met a young Roshi and a young Crane Hermit while he was there. It was hugely entertaining, and there was some actual plot development, to boot. I really wish they would just make an entire series set in that time period; there's even room for an overarching plot, since

It was during that time period that King Piccolo first showed up, and the war to defeat him was initially fought. It was Roshi's old master who wound up sealing him in a rice cooker. The reason the power levels of the martial artists at the start of the show were so insanely low is that all of the really powerful ones were killed in that war, and it was up to a few survivors to teach a new generation, often without having been fully trained themselves.

Basically, Dragon Ball filler is great when it's an entire episode or arc that has nothing to do with the Manga. It's only really a problem when they don't have room to make up random plot points, so they have to stretch out the ones that they're already working on. Cue the fight with Freeza, which took 5 minutes of plot time, but multiple hours of episodes.
 

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Korten12 said:
l3o2828 said:
Naruto, Shugo Chara (Although this one was intended for small kids so i don't blame it too much for keeping things simple and repetitive)
Erm.....Bleach, One Piece....
Mostly Long Runners.
They don't move the plot forward, they just keep making up reasons for the characters to fight or just..go on a vacation or something
One Piece has a couple of them, but compared to the others, they are still fun to watch.
One piece has been going for over fucking 600 episodes and no sight of a proper end to this horrible horrible shonen anime.

so i consider the vast majority filler.
 

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l3o2828 said:
Korten12 said:
l3o2828 said:
Naruto, Shugo Chara (Although this one was intended for small kids so i don't blame it too much for keeping things simple and repetitive)
Erm.....Bleach, One Piece....
Mostly Long Runners.
They don't move the plot forward, they just keep making up reasons for the characters to fight or just..go on a vacation or something
One Piece has a couple of them, but compared to the others, they are still fun to watch.
One piece has been going for over fucking 600 episodes and no sight of a proper end to this horrible horrible shonen anime.

so i consider the vast majority filler.
Haha. You clearly haven't watched it much, and actually it's more like 520 episodes now. The filler arcs are, by and large, good and few and far between. I thought it would have declined in quality by now, but it's still every bit as good as it used to be.
 

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Octogunspunk said:
l3o2828 said:
Korten12 said:
l3o2828 said:
Naruto, Shugo Chara (Although this one was intended for small kids so i don't blame it too much for keeping things simple and repetitive)
Erm.....Bleach, One Piece....
Mostly Long Runners.
They don't move the plot forward, they just keep making up reasons for the characters to fight or just..go on a vacation or something
One Piece has a couple of them, but compared to the others, they are still fun to watch.
One piece has been going for over fucking 600 episodes and no sight of a proper end to this horrible horrible shonen anime.

so i consider the vast majority filler.
Haha. You clearly haven't watched it much, and actually it's more like 520 episodes now. The filler arcs are, by and large, good. I thought it would have declined in quality by now, but it's still every bit as good as it used to be.
Ok i have to admit i haven't watched it all through, but i stopped at 150 episodes then picked it up at episode 400 then 500 and since i saw no end at all i just decided it was a shit shonen that didn't want to end At all.
and I'm mostly right, the characters, while colorful, are extremely two dimensional, the quirky art design turned me off for having absolutely zero concistency and while i was never a fan of pirates, a travesy through the ocean finding new things and going into the unknown is awesome, but One Piece never really uses its plot for nothing.
 

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It wasn't technically filler, but the finale arc of Pumpkin Scissors sure felt like it. It only seemed to go into plot points the series already covered, delayed a conclusion for way too long, and wasn't all that interesting, especially in comparison to the previous arc. This literally killed the show too, as it meant it didn't get the second season it had been setting up for all this time (it might have if the final episodes were allowed to go into the secret society they'd been hinting at the entire time had shown up for more than just killing off the secondary character they'd been centering a lot of the arc around).
Hell, when I recommend the show to people, I tell them just to stop after the epilogue of the second to last arc, as it allows them to skip 5 or 6 crappy episodes (and in a 26 episode season, that's way too many).
 

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Bleach. Just bleach. It's more filler than anime at this point. And all the different times when the relative power levels just radically change. In the bount arc, Ichigo can't even fight as well as a damn lieutenant level, despite beating a captain in the arc previous. and in the Hueco Mundo arc, Ichigo is saved by someone he had beaten before he even unlocked bankai, and there's no way he gained more power than ichigo did with all the abilities that ichigo has gained.
I haven't watched the bount arc in a while but saying that he didn't fight at even a lieutenant level is going a bit far.At the time he was becoming far too reliant on his bankai so that was causing issues with his power levels, which he eventually figures out anyway. As for Kenpachi saving Ichigo in Hueco Mundo, Ichigo had just finished fighting number six so he was in too weak a state to fight number 5. If Ichigo had been at full strength he could have won. Think about it this way, Kenpachi had a lot of time to train while Ichigo was dong other things (if i remember correctly) and in his fight against number 5 he finishes it by using two hands on his sword. If he had used that against Ichigo the first time he had fought him he would have beaten Ichigo easily, that's like doubling his strength. There's no doubt that Ichigo is stronger but that scenario was devised to show the Kenpachi is nearly as strong. It incapacitated Ichigo for the fight and allowed Kenpachi to show his stuff.
OT: Personally the Bleach fillers dont annoy me much. There are only a few that are stupid, lik the karakurariser, but most of them are just extra arcs. As for a series that the fillers ruined it for me, I'm going to say Naruto. I haven't watched shippuden nor do i plan to. I mean the original Naruto. And it wasn't the fillers themselves that annoyed me. It was that one filler where they are trying to get kakashi's mask off only to reveal another mask... thatpissed me off so much. The epic fight between sasuke and naruto barely got the series back into my good books.
 

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l3o2828 said:
Octogunspunk said:
l3o2828 said:
Korten12 said:
l3o2828 said:
Naruto, Shugo Chara (Although this one was intended for small kids so i don't blame it too much for keeping things simple and repetitive)
Erm.....Bleach, One Piece....
Mostly Long Runners.
They don't move the plot forward, they just keep making up reasons for the characters to fight or just..go on a vacation or something
One Piece has a couple of them, but compared to the others, they are still fun to watch.
One piece has been going for over fucking 600 episodes and no sight of a proper end to this horrible horrible shonen anime.

so i consider the vast majority filler.
Haha. You clearly haven't watched it much, and actually it's more like 520 episodes now. The filler arcs are, by and large, good. I thought it would have declined in quality by now, but it's still every bit as good as it used to be.
Ok i have to admit i haven't watched it all through, but i stopped at 150 episodes then picked it up at episode 400 then 500 and since i saw no end at all i just decided it was a shit shonen that didn't want to end At all.
and I'm mostly right, the characters, while colorful, are extremely two dimensional, the quirky art design turned me off for having absolutely zero concistency and while i was never a fan of pirates, a travesy through the ocean finding new things and going into the unknown is awesome, but One Piece never really uses its plot for nothing.
One of its greatest ups and downs is its length. You really have to watch it from start to finish (mostly) to appreciate the plot details. It has some mysterious plot details earlier in the show which are only now coming to be unravelled. The only thing I found really frustrating was the Ace-Sabo flashback arc. That went on for too long and I was tempted to just skip that part. Yet if you only pick it up again at 400, you're missing big chunks which explain why the Straw Hats are so infamous and so powerful. It is not Naruto or Bleach. It has alot of continuity between story arcs.

You speak for yourself. I love the animation, except for the crying...
 

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but if you haven't seen the show in a week they can be very useful, remember these things were made for television.
 

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Pretty much Naruto (and Shippuden) and Bleach are the worst offender when it come to fillers (I can't believe I had watch all Naruto fillers and two of them were really BAD). Dragonball Z was bad with fillers aswell but I didn't knew what is a filler back then.

While I understand fillers are to widen the gaps between the anime and manga but couldn't they make them more interesting and cohesive.

While Shippuden had somewhat handle the fillers better (acting as in-between and sometimes add more interesting info like Asuma and his monk friend history), Bleach does not.

Bleach drop the fillers right into an arc (Ichigo vs the 4th Espada) and we don't know when the filler is suppose to take place (yes we assume it's after Aizen but the thing is Ichigo lose his Shimigami powers afterward while in the filler he still got it) making it inconsistent Last time I check those three fillers character (Bount arc) where still in the show which add more problems to the show. Ok sure we only seen them in minor filler scenes but the fact they should of been gone just like any other filler characters.
While I know that Bleach is back on track but I am still dreading for any fillers since the gap is still not wide enough.

Fairy Tail had one filler arc but I am dreading since the anime is getting close to the manga.
While One Piece had their fair share of fillers but they handle it much better compare to Naruto and Bleach (they're shorter and sometimes add more interesting info left out in the manga and always remain funny just like the show).
 

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Kare Kano. Dear God Kare Kano.

I really liked what I read from the manga that the show was based off of, so I decided to watch the anime. For the first dozen episodes, it was good. Probably the only gripe I had with it was that at the beginning of every episode, the show felt the need to re-cap everything that has happened in the story up to the point the series is at. It started to get annoying as I went further into the show, but I managed.

But then I found two episodes that were completely dedicated to recapping all of the old episodes up to that point in the series. Now if that isn't filler, then I have no idea what is.

To top it off, towards it's end, the series started to take some weird directions. One episode comprised of the characters as paper puppets, and another episode made it so that the narrator voiced over the characters throughout most of the episode. With words appearing on-screen.

Overall, both those two episodes and the odd-ball direction the series too towards it's end ruined the show for me.
 

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It's not filler if it's good. You know what you call good filler? Substance.

The Big O's first season has the makings of filler and felt lighthearted and humane. Then second season came around, a season with an overarching narrative that anime fans distinguish from filler, and the vibe and tone I got from the 1st season felt completely contrary. The lack of the necessity of continuity was now necessity, and the attention of the citizens, stories, peoples, and culture of Paradigm City was switched with the major players and their actions, to the point where the object of the struggles between the protagonists and antagonists is not the people that live within the cities but rather the , not to mention the spontaneous character change Roger Smith undergoes at the beginning of the 2nd season.

Watching Season 1 made me feel like I was getting to know a person, that each episode was a different glimpse into that person, each view wonderful and beautiful, but Season 2 felt like the said person was going through an identity crisis, trying to be someone he/she wasn't, and you try stay along and keep your relationship because of how long you knew him/her, thinking that it's going to get better, only to be dumped by the catastrophically abysmal 26th episode, and by that time you think it's a good riddance anyway.
 

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Naruto. 80 episodes? Are you joking?

(I know they were too close to the manga at the time.)
LOL its more then 80 at this point. Closer to 180 I do believe. Honestly the filler in that show is so bad I can't even bring myself to watch it. I just check to see if the main story is back every once in awhile, which it currently isn't.

Bleach also just cam off a a horrible Filler Arc, the worst one to date IMO.
 

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Dragon Ball Z..
But I was too busy being amazed at absolutely everything in it as a kid to notice that.
I LOVED that show.
I tried Kamehameha on my teachers a few times.
 

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canadamus_prime said:
You know why the fillers exist, don't you? It's because the anime in question is, or rather was, being produced along side a still running manga counterpart. The fillers occur every time the anime outran the it's manga counter part, so the producers of the anime had to fill in the gap while waiting for the author of the manga to create the next run of stories for them to create episodes off of. Of course by the time the series is exported to other regions it's usually already completely run it's course in Japan so to us it seems like so much unnecessary fluff.
Of course some fillers can be hugely entertaining, like the driving episode of DBZ for example, I believe it was entitled "Goku's Ordeal". Watching Goku and Piccolo try and learn to drive nearly made me bust a gut.
I watched one from the original Dragon Ball the other day, called The Time Room. Basically, Mr. Popo sent Goku back in time to train under the guy who taught Master Roshi, and he met a young Roshi and a young Crane Hermit while he was there. It was hugely entertaining, and there was some actual plot development, to boot. I really wish they would just make an entire series set in that time period; there's even room for an overarching plot, since

It was during that time period that King Piccolo first showed up, and the war to defeat him was initially fought. It was Roshi's old master who wound up sealing him in a rice cooker. The reason the power levels of the martial artists at the start of the show were so insanely low is that all of the really powerful ones were killed in that war, and it was up to a few survivors to teach a new generation, often without having been fully trained themselves.

Basically, Dragon Ball filler is great when it's an entire episode or arc that has nothing to do with the Manga. It's only really a problem when they don't have room to make up random plot points, so they have to stretch out the ones that they're already working on. Cue the fight with Freeza, which took 5 minutes of plot time, but multiple hours of episodes.
Huh, I haven't seen that episode. But then there's a whole arc I haven't seen of the classic series, mostly due to me trying to watch it on a very unreliable TV network. I'm trying to collect the remastered DVDs all I'm missing is season 4 which I'm pretty sure is the one that includes the arc I haven't seen. It's the only arc I haven't seen, I've seen every other episode of the original 3 Dragon Ball series (not counting Kai).
Your right though, filler is best when it has time to build an entire story arc of it's own.
What filler irritated me the most was in Bleach when in the middle of Soul Society/Rukia Rescue thing, they inserted an episode about that doofus guy taking Ichigo's sisters and playing super heroes.
 

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Naruto is really pissing me off with the filler episodes right now. Get off the f***ing ship this isn't one piece!!!!!

On a side note I started watching one piece and its really good.
 

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I dislike filler arcs more than anything. I can understand if there are a few episodes as fillers, but whole arcs screw up the pacing of the story. The real crime is when a filler arc is good or adds something interesting to the story or characterization to the a character, only to be taken away and rendered useless because it was part of the filler universe.
 

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I'm sorry, but what? For starters, out of most shonen, One Piece has probably the most entertaining fillers and for a series that has gone on for more than 500 episodes, there are substantially shorter filler arcs in them. Not to mention some of them easily hold up to even the regular story arcs, such as the G8 filler.

Also, you admit you've skipped about 250 episodes and you're talking about no visible progress? I'm not sure what exactly you've expected to see, but the series has never really lost its connection to the main story-arc, other than revealing things about the treasure excruciatingly slowly, which is not a bad thing as long as you get the feeling that the creator still knows what he's doing. And believe me, if anyone, Oda REALLY knows how to flesh out a story. As for the art direction, meh, you either like it or you don't. Personally it grew on me, though I have no idea what you're talking about, when you mention lack of consistency.

And not utilizing the magic of traveling to interesting places, are you f-ing kidding me? They've been to a flying island, they've been to a Bermuda-Triangle-ish place with zombies, they've been to a desert and an icy island, they've been to an archipelago where bubbles are floating everywhere, they've been to an island of giant creatures and multitudes of other places and right now they're in an underwater city and the series just passed the halfway point not long ago. What more variety do you want, seriously?
 

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You know the deal: you're watching the first episodes of an anime, everything is great, storyline works, and the characters are deep. Then you run across a problem. Fillers seem to kinda take away from the general experience of an anime for me. My example would be Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex. The story was mysterious and engaging, and all the characters except for the main one wore normal clothes and had actual arcs. But then fillers came and killed it. All the story lines involving tachicoma and whiny derpy derpy doo-ing ruined the streak of excellence the show had put in my heart. So tell me, Escapists, what animes have you seen that were ruined by fillers?
I get what you're saying about the Tachikoma episodes, but the filler episode where Motoko ends up in the brain of a film director was actually really good and one of the stand-out moments of either series, imo. Then again, that's subjective, so it's not like I intend to change your mind.

OT: I'm not sure it qualifies as filler since it was episode 2 and served a story purpose that came up several times, but episode 2 of Needless was sooo fucking boring compared to the rest of the series. Most people stop watching after that one, thinking that episode 1 lied to them about how awesome the show would be before pulling a bait-and-switch. Not true. Episodes 3 and onwards are awesome again.
 

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Any fighting Shonen ever, but Naruto is probably the worst offender. Although I remember liking a few One Piece filler stories.
 

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Am I the first to say Pokemon? Because thats an anime and it is about 95% filler, and most of the time it is just rehashing the same plot over and over again eg meet a new character/pokemon, team rocket show up, pikachu beats them in a fight, end!
 

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The Endless Eight episodes from the second season of The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya.
This, So much this.

Sure, Naruto and Bleach have a ridiculous amount of fillers, but I consider this the worst pack filler ever created.

For those that don't know, The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya's second season had 12 episodes in total, and is about the protagonists being caught in a time loop. So the production team decided to show the exact same episode EIGHT TIMES IN A ROW, with only minor differences like their clothes being different each episode.

It was cringe worthy.
 

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I used to rage about filler, but for the most part other then the already mentioned shonen animes of Naruto and Bleach I didn't really have many complaints. Except for the "kitten" episode of Shigofumi(an anime based on the premise that the dead can send on last msg to someone before they pass on to the afterlife, and the postwoman that delivers them). It was such a brutal tone shift in the anime that I dropped it almost immediately after that. Seriously the anime opens up with themes of death, rape, forced prostitution, murder, incest, and a tragic love story. I loved the first several episodes of this anime and consider them damn near works of art. But then there is this episode in which our main character chases a kitten all around town to deliver a letter to it. KILLED THE TONE! You can't go from an aborted baby sending a letter that consists of nothing but a bloody hand print to the back alley doctor that preformed the partial birth abortion, to cutesy loli kitten chasing and expect it to be kosher.
 

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Korten12 said:
l3o2828 said:
Naruto, Shugo Chara (Although this one was intended for small kids so i don't blame it too much for keeping things simple and repetitive)
Erm.....Bleach, One Piece....
Mostly Long Runners.
They don't move the plot forward, they just keep making up reasons for the characters to fight or just..go on a vacation or something
One Piece has a couple of them, but compared to the others, they are still fun to watch.
Some of them.

Some of them are awful, like Ocean's Dream or basically every time Foxy shows up. (Yes, I know Foxy was in the manga as the breather arc between Skypeia and Water 7, but the manga arc with him was half as long, and wasn't bracketed by more filler, including Ocean's Dream, the dullest of all dull fillers).
 

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Have a boring, nonsensical and unimportant filler arc, slap bang in the middle of another, far more exciting story arc.
Yu-Gi-Oh did that. Seperated Battle City arc from the Battle City finals arc by way of a "Trapped in Cyberspace" arc that made no sense, just ate up time, was incredibly contrived even by Yu-Gi-Oh standards, and after it's over the character it all revolved around actually says "let's pretend that never happened."

And you know what? They do. That entire arc is never mentioned ever again.

So I agree with you on that being a cardinal sin of anime. Because of that boring bullshit I stopped watching the show. Only finally saw the Battle City finals years later when they were re-running it.

Thing is, they did this twice! Sort of. They had two "virtual" stories, where the characters went into cyber-space. At least the first one was only 3 episodes long and slotted in between major story arcs. Still fucking pointless and is never mentioned again.

Kind of creepy too (seriously, who designs a virtual princess to look just like their little brother? Lots of squick to be had with the motivation behind that design choice. Both in-show and in planning the storyline.)
 

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I heavily avoid anime that generally consists of filler just for the sake of not wanting to sit through 300+ episodes. I'd much rather watch two or three separate anime series than one.
 

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rabidmidget said:
The Endless Eight episodes from the second season of The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya.

In fact I had literally done an almost identical post to this one in another forum a couple of minutes ago, after realising their extent after watching the third one.
Eh, in fairness to Endless Eight, the plot point itself was canon (though the execution was the anime's idea, and a very annoying one at that), and (while I would NOT be surprised if the dev team was just trolling the userbase), it does provide a brief glimpse at the horror of a groundhog day loop, making Yuki's little revelation hold that much more impact. Eight nearly identical episodes are bad enough...she had to consciously relive those weeks for over 200 years.
 

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I'd say that Naruto's legendarily absurd filler length would have killed the show for me but, in truth, I felt it was going downhill anyway. The filler was just the last nail in the coffin.
 

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fatal2704 said:
You know the deal: you're watching the first episodes of an anime, everything is great, storyline works, and the characters are deep. Then you run across a problem. Fillers seem to kinda take away from the general experience of an anime for me. My example would be Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex. The story was mysterious and engaging, and all the characters except for the main one wore normal clothes and had actual arcs. But then fillers came and killed it. All the story lines involving tachicoma and whiny derpy derpy doo-ing ruined the streak of excellence the show had put in my heart. So tell me, Escapists, what animes have you seen that were ruined by fillers?
Are you referring to the standalone self-contained episodes? Or just the annoying Tachikoma-centric ones? Either way, those were abundantly more tolerable than that "Night Cruise" episode. We interrupt your futuristic espionage show to bring a paranoid schizophrenic rambling for 20 minutes. Guh. Most of the episodes were fine for me, though.
Oh Christ, that chat room episode was painful. If that was the one you were talking about, I haven't finished all of them yet. But some were good, like the film episode and the scarred serial killer bit where a ton of emphasis was put on Bato, my favorite character.
 

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I never even finished the aizen arc. I just couldn't take it anymore and stopped. The fact that Ichigo's level of strength follows the path of a seismograph print-out if you throw it in a washing machine and then a dryer just ruined the whole thing for me.

The bount arc was tolerable, before that was awesome, and the rest just got worse and worse and worse. So much ruined potential that it really made me die a little inside.
Yeah, the first 50-60 episodes were great, but then it just slowly went downhill after that. I nearly gave up on it several times, but either my girlfriend wanting to watch it got me started again, or a combination of morbid curiosity and boredom when I was sick and had nothing better to do did. It helps that you can get through an entire episode in just over 12 minutes in fast forward with the opening/closing credits and commercials edited out, or at least that's how fast I could go and still keep up with the subtitles. I just had to see for myself if the end of that arc was as dumb as everyone else said it was...and it was. Heh.
 

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l3o2828 said:
Octogunspunk said:
l3o2828 said:
Korten12 said:
l3o2828 said:
Naruto, Shugo Chara (Although this one was intended for small kids so i don't blame it too much for keeping things simple and repetitive)
Erm.....Bleach, One Piece....
Mostly Long Runners.
They don't move the plot forward, they just keep making up reasons for the characters to fight or just..go on a vacation or something
One Piece has a couple of them, but compared to the others, they are still fun to watch.
One piece has been going for over fucking 600 episodes and no sight of a proper end to this horrible horrible shonen anime.

so i consider the vast majority filler.
Haha. You clearly haven't watched it much, and actually it's more like 520 episodes now. The filler arcs are, by and large, good. I thought it would have declined in quality by now, but it's still every bit as good as it used to be.
Ok i have to admit i haven't watched it all through, but i stopped at 150 episodes then picked it up at episode 400 then 500 and since i saw no end at all i just decided it was a shit shonen that didn't want to end At all.
and I'm mostly right, the characters, while colorful, are extremely two dimensional, the quirky art design turned me off for having absolutely zero concistency and while i was never a fan of pirates, a travesy through the ocean finding new things and going into the unknown is awesome, but One Piece never really uses its plot for nothing.
first its so long because the manga is still going. second watch everything then you can complain.
 

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The Bane of my anime existence was Toriko.
Know why? Because even the story arcs were filler.
My favorite anime are Gurren Lagann, Soul Eater, Madoka Magica, and Trigun because things get done and they get done quickly (Even though soul eater had an 6-part battle, it was a good battle).
Torriko spent 3 damn episodes walking to the bottom of a cave to eat a fish, one episode was just an overly-long fight against a monster. the next arc spent 3 episodes in the same place in a boring fight after ignoring the giant monster they were hunting. then they go to catch it and that takes another 5 episodes.
Just because they would use filler dialog, overly-long explanations, and charge attacks for half an episode.
 

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l3o2828 said:
Korten12 said:
l3o2828 said:
Naruto, Shugo Chara (Although this one was intended for small kids so i don't blame it too much for keeping things simple and repetitive)
Erm.....Bleach, One Piece....
Mostly Long Runners.
They don't move the plot forward, they just keep making up reasons for the characters to fight or just..go on a vacation or something
One Piece has a couple of them, but compared to the others, they are still fun to watch.
One piece has been going for over fucking 600 episodes and no sight of a proper end to this horrible horrible shonen anime.

so i consider the vast majority filler.
The manga is somewhere in the sixties book-wise, so calling the anime out for filler episodes is the equivalent of calling out the ocean for being deep and salty.
 

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Reed Spacer said:
l3o2828 said:
Korten12 said:
l3o2828 said:
Naruto, Shugo Chara (Although this one was intended for small kids so i don't blame it too much for keeping things simple and repetitive)
Erm.....Bleach, One Piece....
Mostly Long Runners.
They don't move the plot forward, they just keep making up reasons for the characters to fight or just..go on a vacation or something
One Piece has a couple of them, but compared to the others, they are still fun to watch.
One piece has been going for over fucking 600 episodes and no sight of a proper end to this horrible horrible shonen anime.

so i consider the vast majority filler.
The manga is somewhere in the sixties book-wise, so calling the anime out for filler episodes is the equivalent of calling out the ocean for being deep and salty.
I have no idea why you're quoting a banned user from 3 years ago.

Seems pretty pointless.