finity

[Hagi]

I think he's trying to say that zero and infinity are both defined by their absence of a fixed integer. Zero is the absence of an integer to indicate that there simply isn't an integer, and infinity is the absence of an integer to indicate that the concept being relayed cannot be made precise.

His separate point about infinity meaning that we're all possessing contradictory properties (I'm rich poor, fat slim etc) is valid insofar as directly applied infinity to an individual would result in all possible traits being present and hence individuals being in possession of contradictory traits. However, this rationale doesn't actually explain why one would apply infinity to the characteristics of an individual or how this ties into the previous argument.

Zero is not nothing. Zero is an integer. Just like one, two, three etc. It's a number. It's a special number, just like 1, in that it's central to various mathematical concepts. But it's still just a number. It wouldn't be usable in functions and such otherwise.

Nothing, in mathematics, is the empty set. It's denoted as {} or Ø. It's not a number. It's a collection with size 0.

 

[molesgallus]

Wait... what?
Yeah, you're not making sense, OP.

Particularly with the 'nothing is infinity' bit.
And what's that with the multiverses you suddenly start talking writing about?

I suggest you try writing a little more clearly...

Sounds boring

 

[BGH122]

I think he's trying to say that zero and infinity are both defined by their absence of a fixed integer. Zero is the absence of an integer to indicate that there simply isn't an integer, and infinity is the absence of an integer to indicate that the concept being relayed cannot be made precise.

His separate point about infinity meaning that we're all possessing contradictory properties (I'm rich poor, fat slim etc) is valid insofar as directly applied infinity to an individual would result in all possible traits being present and hence individuals being in possession of contradictory traits. However, this rationale doesn't actually explain why one would apply infinity to the characteristics of an individual or how this ties into the previous argument.

Zero is not nothing. Zero is an integer. Just like one, two, three etc. It's a number. It's a special number, just like 1, in that it's central to various mathematical concepts. But it's still just a number. It wouldn't be usable in functions and such otherwise.

Nothing, in mathematics, is the empty set. It's denoted as {} or Ø. It's not a number. It's a collection with size 0.

Good point.

I still think that's what he's getting at. I think that he's thinking of zero as the actual 'physical' zero (i.e. I have zero of a thing) and thinking of that as the absence of the presence of a thing. Can't say for sure though, because that post is so nebulous.

 

[Hagi]

Good point.

I still think that's what he's getting at. I think that he's thinking of zero as the actual 'physical' zero (i.e. I have zero of a thing) and thinking of that as the absence of the presence of a thing. Can't say for sure though, because that post is so nebulous.

Oh yeah, the OP is absolute nonsense.

Not even going to try and point out the flaws in that one.

But this is just one of those things that greatly annoys me when people say zero isn't a number or that it's nothing. So whenever I see a semi-intelligent post including it I try to correct it, decent chance the poster may listen.

But when posts get like that of the OP I usually don't bother, chances of him/her listening are likely quite low.

 

[SckizoBoy]

One wonders just how pretentious one can be...

So tempted to spout verbative on the philosophical definitions of 'nothing', 'everything' and 'possibility'... but can't be bothered. Feel as though I'd be wasting my efforts typing something that won't be read.

Anyway:

And, of course, god has endowed me with an understanding of everything that exists, therefore infinity musn't exist.

OK, OP, riddle me this: explain the chemical reactivity of ketene silyl acetals...

 

[Questalace]

*sigh* Time to throw my bit into this philosophical maelstrom and hope to my testicles are not bitten off and chewed to bits; metaphorically speaking.

Infinity(http://www.thefreedictionary.com/infinity):
This is only a paradox because when the human brain tries to understand it they feel it is akin to 'never-ending' and essentially it is but then we come to the mental imagery of picking any object and giving it the aspect of being infinite then trying to find the end of said object. But alas we end up with the scenario not much different to walking to the edge of a map in a game and having the map then grow bigger before we reach it thus we come to the conclusion that infinity is akin to 'forever-growing' and that isn't true either because growth requires there to be a lesser extent of the object in the past to therefore exceed it in the present and future. We can over come this by thinking of it like this:
Mathematically:
"Numbers are infinite" this is what is taught at a fundamental level and yet upon hearing that we try to find the last number, which we can't; so if infinity is not one number, what is it? it is all of them. 1 for example would be a factor of infinity because it is a number and numbers are infinite. Infinity is the largest thing/object/measure conceivable or inconceivable if you don't think we can understand it. We can prove numbers are infinite by applying the theory of 'forever-growing' because for something to be infinite it can not grow therefore it can not start or end because starting to be infinite would require growth from a lesser extent/form of the object. Now... try to find the start of numbers? 0? Nope, this can not be done because numbers increase and decrease infinitely (i.e minuses & decimals) Therefore numbers do not start or end yet they exist with out starting... pretty cool.

Nothing(http://www.thefreedictionary.com/nothing):
Our concept in itself is even more confusing than infinity because nothing is essentially . Yep that is the best way to describe it; nothing can't even have a word to describe it because it then has something. Nothing can't have name but it does therefore we have a flawed concept of true Because as long as there is something there can not be nothing. Nothing is something I can comprehend; is something I can not comprehend.

 

[Spacewolf]

Ummm...Infinity doesn't exist because in nature there is no such thing as infinity. Only Balance or imbalance. If the equation if off kilter then it balances itself out. Sorry. Infinity doesn't exist. Cause if it did the equation wouldn't exist lol.

i belive both the quatum mechanics and standard physics equations come out for infinity at the center point infact i think one of them comes out as an infinate seris of infinates

 

[Ace of Spades]

I don't get it. What's your point?

 

[Alphakirby]

I think what he's trying to explain is because infinity is such a vast concept that humans can't understand, then it should be synonymous with 'nothing'.

It's bollocks of course. And at some point he seems to have confused infinity with some sort of multiverse theory.

Then he mixed that up with a dragon he saw while taking LSD.
Threads like these don't seem to need to exist,but if anything this may be him trying to get an easy badge,so ignore him.

 

[Stephen Wo]

Your issue is the thought that god bestowed you with unlimited, or the capability to understand, knowledge. My theory states that man understands what he will, and certain concepts or constants are mentally impossible to be understood. Man is not the dominant, there is a huge universe out there, much of which we have not seen.

Let it be known that the above post does not capitalize on religious beliefs: I'm an atheist.

 

[Stephen Wo]

Also, am I the only guy here who feels like the author of this thread is really pretentious?

 

[ChildishLegacy]

As somebody that looks into quite a bit of science and maths, you're talking a load of bollocks, that's all I'm going to say. This is either trolling or ABSOLUTE bollocks.

I suggest not being under the influence of some sort of drug next time if you were actually trying to get something across here, but don't try to make yourself sound smart by writing nonsense, people don't not understand it because it's complex and clever, they do not understand it because it's nonsense, in the literal sense.

Also did god really bestow upon you the gift to understand everything? Can you really comprehend the atom, the photon and force carries and such like?

 

[Marik2]

I don't really think the human mind was made to ceomprehend infinity. It's not that we have bad intuition it's that the subejct is beyond intuition...also you seem to be cracked out of your mind.

This whole thread reminds me of this mathematician who tried to figure out how infinity works....and he basically committed suicide

 

[mad825]

I'm not expecting the OP to become a mathematician any time soon.

 

[Lectori Salutem]

That made about as much sense as the timecube.

 

[ediblemitten]

Is any one else's troll-dar going off?

No?

Stay away from the hard stuff kids, or you'll end up posting cracked out ravings on internet forums while sitting naked in a dirty basement at 4 in the morning.

 

[BGH122]

But this is just one of those things that greatly annoys me when people say zero isn't a number or that it's nothing. So whenever I see a semi-intelligent post including it I try to correct it, decent chance the poster may listen.

Fair do and thanks for the tip. I'll check it out once the riots in London are over.

 

[Romidude]

Also, am I the only guy here who feels like the author of this thread is really pretentious?

Yeah, he's a pretentious idiot who takes his own feelings as fact. Like far too many people.

OT: Complete non-sense, Pseudo-intellectual. And infinity doesn't exist simply just because you can't understand it? Judging by how that was written, almost nothing should exist.
And God fearing forums? The mods are more religiously biased than a religious forum, you can't even make a bloody joke about Jesus.

 

[ZeroMachine]

Yo, dude.

Just, uh... just so you know.

Whatever you copied that from... the timestamp is still on the bottom.

Way to fail at a copypasta.

EDIT: Holy shit, did no one else notice that?

 

[Herbsk]

And this is why you don't post threads on drugs.

I second this man's quote! These are words to live by!