Fire Emblem Fates Cuts Petting From English Version

[SquallTheBlade]

And for your comment about separating fiction and reality, that doesn't work. Fiction is based on reality. Anytime fiction breaks away from reality, it needs willing suspension of disbelief. If the writing isn't up to par, if it doesn't fit within the world that the writers have created, if it doesn't fit the characters, then the willing suspension of disbelief collapses. For many people, this petting smashed the willing suspension of disbelief with a warhammer.

Huh, I've never experienced something that would break my suspension of disbelief. It's something you yourself hold up, not someone else. So no, I don't see how this or anything else would break your suspension of disbelief. I feel bad for you if this happens often.

 

[Erttheking]

And for your comment about separating fiction and reality, that doesn't work. Fiction is based on reality. Anytime fiction breaks away from reality, it needs willing suspension of disbelief. If the writing isn't up to par, if it doesn't fit within the world that the writers have created, if it doesn't fit the characters, then the willing suspension of disbelief collapses. For many people, this petting smashed the willing suspension of disbelief with a warhammer.

Huh, I've never experienced something that would break my suspension of disbelief. It's something you yourself hold up, not someone else. So no, I don't see how this or anything else would break your suspension of disbelief. I feel bad for you if this happens often.

Feel bad for me? *Snort*. I fail to see how me being able to say "You know, this is really stupid and makes no sense" is something worth saying "I feel bad for you over." Here's a question. Why doesn't this break your suspension of disbelief? Why does a fairly serious story about two kingdoms going to war match up with a commander molesting their men? How in the world does that feel like a natural part of the story?

Don't feel sorry for me, I consider it a gift that I can't spot stuff like this for being the stupid bullshit it is. I don't see how enjoying everything without giving it any critical thought would be better.

 

[SquallTheBlade]

And for your comment about separating fiction and reality, that doesn't work. Fiction is based on reality. Anytime fiction breaks away from reality, it needs willing suspension of disbelief. If the writing isn't up to par, if it doesn't fit within the world that the writers have created, if it doesn't fit the characters, then the willing suspension of disbelief collapses. For many people, this petting smashed the willing suspension of disbelief with a warhammer.

Huh, I've never experienced something that would break my suspension of disbelief. It's something you yourself hold up, not someone else. So no, I don't see how this or anything else would break your suspension of disbelief. I feel bad for you if this happens often.

Feel bad for me? *Snort*. I fail to see how me being able to say "You know, this is really stupid and makes no sense" is something worth saying "I feel bad for you over." Here's a question. Why doesn't this break your suspension of disbelief? Why does a fairly serious story about two kingdoms going to war match up with a commander molesting their men? How in the world does that feel like a natural part of the story?

You can think of it as a morale boost. And maybe they all enjoy it? In fact, they do because your affinity with them raises. I won't question that, I know what I see and I can tell they like it so it's all good.

Don't feel sorry for me, I consider it a gift that I can't spot stuff like this for being the stupid bullshit it is. I don't see how enjoying everything without giving it any critical thought would be better.

I can enjoy more things than you can. How is that not better?

 

[Erttheking]

And for your comment about separating fiction and reality, that doesn't work. Fiction is based on reality. Anytime fiction breaks away from reality, it needs willing suspension of disbelief. If the writing isn't up to par, if it doesn't fit within the world that the writers have created, if it doesn't fit the characters, then the willing suspension of disbelief collapses. For many people, this petting smashed the willing suspension of disbelief with a warhammer.

Huh, I've never experienced something that would break my suspension of disbelief. It's something you yourself hold up, not someone else. So no, I don't see how this or anything else would break your suspension of disbelief. I feel bad for you if this happens often.

Feel bad for me? *Snort*. I fail to see how me being able to say "You know, this is really stupid and makes no sense" is something worth saying "I feel bad for you over." Here's a question. Why doesn't this break your suspension of disbelief? Why does a fairly serious story about two kingdoms going to war match up with a commander molesting their men? How in the world does that feel like a natural part of the story?

You can think of it as a morale boost. And maybe they all enjoy it? In fact, they do because your affinity with them raises. I won't question that, I know what I see and I can tell they like it so it's all good.

Don't feel sorry for me, I consider it a gift that I can't spot stuff like this for being the stupid bullshit it is. I don't see how enjoying everything without giving it any critical thought would be better.

I can enjoy more things than you can. How is that not better?

I find that extremely hard to swallow, that ever single person in the army wants to get felt up by their commander, especially after wading through hordes of enemies and possibly having a near death experiences. It doesn't help that they could very much be in a committed relationship with someone else or not be interested in the commander at all. Yeah, the game says that they like it. My common sense says that's utter BS.

First of all, your ability to enjoy more things than me is suspect, considering you said that the second a game isn't perfect all the way through you stop playing it. Second of all, I prefer quality over quantity. I prefer enjoying one amazing game to a hundred mediocre ones.

 

[SquallTheBlade]

I find that extremely hard to swallow, that ever single person in the army wants to get felt up by their commander, especially after wading through hordes of enemies and possibly having a near death experiences. It doesn't help that they could very much be in a committed relationship with someone else or not be interested in the commander at all. Yeah, the game says that they like it. My common sense says that's utter BS.

Your common sense is holding you back. It's denying you something you could enjoy.

I prefer quality over quantity. I prefer enjoying one amazing game to a hundred mediocre ones.

But see here, I can enjoy that AMAZING game AND those hundred of medicore ones. Why only enjoy either of those when you can enjoy them all? You have to simply enjoy them for different things.

 

[Erttheking]

I find that extremely hard to swallow, that ever single person in the army wants to get felt up by their commander, especially after wading through hordes of enemies and possibly having a near death experiences. It doesn't help that they could very much be in a committed relationship with someone else or not be interested in the commander at all. Yeah, the game says that they like it. My common sense says that's utter BS.

Your common sense is holding you back. It's denying you something you could enjoy.

I prefer quality over quantity. I prefer enjoying one amazing game to a hundred mediocre ones.

But see here, I can enjoy that AMAZING game AND those hundred of medicore ones. Why only enjoy either of those when you can enjoy them all? You have to simply enjoy them for different things.

You could say the same thing about all the things stupid people do, like siphoning beer into their asses. And my responseis the same. No thanks. If I have to turn off common sense to enjoy something, I don't WANT to bloody enjoy it. I don't subscribe to the philosophy that you should just enjoy everything if you can, because I like having standards.

Like I said before. That's suspect, considering you flat out said that if you don't consider a game perfect, you stop playing it. Because I have standards. Playing a game that's painfully mediocre when I could be looking for and enjoying something that actually meets my standards is a waste of my time. I'm not going to apologize for not wanting to waste my time on utter trite.

 

[SquallTheBlade]

Like I said before. That's suspect, considering you flat out said that if you don't consider a game perfect, you stop playing it.

You have misunderstood me. I said that if it annoys me I stop playing. Being medicore isn't being annoying. Even parts that I don't necessary like are fine as long as they don't annoy me.

Because I have standards. Playing a game that's painfully mediocre when I could be looking for and enjoying something that actually meets my standards is a waste of my time. I'm not going to apologize for not wanting to waste my time on utter trite.

Like I said before, your loss. I'll keep on enjoying my games where as you won't be. At least not as much as I do.

 

[Erttheking]

Like I said before. That's suspect, considering you flat out said that if you don't consider a game perfect, you stop playing it.

You have misunderstood me. I said that if it annoys me I stop playing. Being medicore isn't being annoying. Even parts that I don't necessary like are fine as long as they don't annoy me.

Because I have standards. Playing a game that's painfully mediocre when I could be looking for and enjoying something that actually meets my standards is a waste of my time. I'm not going to apologize for not wanting to waste my time on utter trite.

Like I said before, your loss. I'll keep on enjoying my games where as you won't be. At least not as much as I do.

That still strikes me as something that would be very easy to crop up. It's not very hard for a game to be annoying.

No. No loss at all. I'm not wasting my time on garbage. I maximize the amount of time I spend on stuff that's truly enjoyable, experiencing a higher amount of pleasure than I would on games that I truly enjoy. It's my gain.

And if you're going to keep replying to me, can you reply to all of what I say and not just some of it?

 

[Secondhand Revenant]

Things get changed all the time. If all Japanese games that were released in the US with all the weird Japanese stuff still in them, we probably wouldn't have very many Japanese games here at all. If getting rid of creepy petting and a ridiculous character issue to get more people to buy different games, then that is a good thing. Usually when a franchise gets big enough, people change dynamics of the game to make it more accessable to as many people as possible. This is called smart business practice. And considering the US buys more games than Japan at this point, well, you do the math.

People complain about artistic integrity too much. Jesus. It is like it isn't the companies themselves doing the alterations or something.

Self censorship is still censorship. It shouldn't be done.
Oh, and by the way, they left the cross-dressing in Final Fantasy VII. You know, the most popular RPG of all time?

Yes, it should be done. Just screaming 'censorship' is meaningless. It's not an 'I win' button. Actual thought can be put into reasons on why people usually dislike the idea of censorship, some shallow idea that the word is automatically evil isn't necessary to save frozen peaches.

No, it shouldn't be. It's censorship.

So what? You do understand naming it doesn't actually make a point?

To censor your art is to destroy your own artistic integrity.

Artistic integrity is BS. Games are meant to be sold and that shows. They are meant to appeal to people.

To allow someone ELSE to censor it is just as bad.

You've failed to establish it's even automatically bad in the first place.

Censorship shouldn't ever be done. Under any circumstances.

Personally I absolutely condemn spreading child porn and fully support the law censoring it. Also yelling fire in a crowded theatre, it's good that's censored.

Seriously, do you even have any thoughts about *why* things are supposed to be bad or is it just a shallow belief that censorship is bad?

It just makes people want to see what's being censored, and in this case, it's just another heap onto the pile of things Nintendo has censored. Strange, considering they put out Bayonetta 2.

Who cares if it makes people want to see it? What's the relevance of that, if it's even true? Personally I have doubts that people will have some dire urge to see this, it's not exactly a grand mystery.

 

[SquallTheBlade]

And if you're going to keep replying to me, can you reply to all of what I say and not just some of it?

Nah, this way it's more fun. See? I'm also enjoying this as we speak!

 

[Erttheking]

And if you're going to keep replying to me, can you reply to all of what I say and not just some of it?

Nah, this way it's more fun. See? I'm also enjoying this as we speak!

So are you going to reply to any of the points I made in the last post at all?

 

[SquallTheBlade]

And if you're going to keep replying to me, can you reply to all of what I say and not just some of it?

Nah, this way it's more fun. See? I'm also enjoying this as we speak!

So are you going to reply to any of the points I made in the last post at all?

What can I say? There is not really nothing to add. You will keep on not enjoying things and I will keep on enjoying things.

 

[9tailedflame]

It's a bit embarrassing as an American, that we've become that country who you have to be careful of their delicate sensibilities. It's actually really shameful and i legitimately feel shame about that. I love foreign games, especially Japanese games, and anything that gets between me and more of those games, I'm gonna take a bit of issue with. I just hope i get to see star ocean 5 reach the west without loosing too many of it's limbs in the process.

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

It's a bit embarrassing as an American, that we've become that country who you have to be careful of their delicate sensibilities. It's actually really shameful and i legitimately feel shame about that. I love foreign games, especially Japanese games, and anything that gets between me and more of those games, I'm gonna take a bit of issue with. I just hope i get to see star ocean 5 reach the west without loosing too many of it's limbs in the process.

Fear not! America isn't some special snowflake with regards to localising video games! While I disagree with the links use of "censorship", it does show that Japan has a habit of taking out our plethora of gratuitous violence. Blanking out Until Dawn's sawblade scene, removing decapitations from Dead Rising, not letting you set off the Nuke in Fallout 3, etc, etc, etc.

Or the Australian government actually banning some 200+ video games last year: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-06-30/australia-bans-220-video-games-in-four-months/6582100

Or Germany's thing about Nazis and Swastikas, China being China, it's all out there if you look for it.

The only way the US seems to be exceptional is that our "controversies" stem from companies doing things of their own free will instead of governments getting involved.

 

[JamesStone]

Nah, this way it's more fun. See? I'm also enjoying this as we speak!

So, the purpose for which you engage in an argument is not to share opinions, learn and develop yourself and to help with the advancement of knowledge... It's because it's fun. And you're willing to dismiss an argument in its entirety because you have fun annoying the oposition.

Yeah, I'm done. There's nothing to be gained in beating one's head against particularly obtuse and just plain thick brick wall. Just know this: no matter how much you ***** and moan and antagonize people who might have been willing to help your cause if you exposed your points as anything other than a petulant child, the game will still come out without any petting, and your behavior and those who behave like you will only serve to confirm Nintendo's decision as your actions reinforce the potentially unjust stereotype that the people who appreciate features like this suffer.


S? God's speed, Squall, for you and your like are one of the biggest assets of your oposition

 

[Syzygy23]

Oh no...that was holding the game together. Really, is anyone seriously going to miss this?

to be fair no, but how many more things are they going to cut?

I dunno, how many more stupid things are there in this game that just don't work outside of Japan any country that knows how to talk to women like normal human beings and have a healthy relationship

FTFY

Seriously, why does Japan have so much cringey sexual desperation leaking through all of their media?

 

[Kaimax]

Oh no...that was holding the game together. Really, is anyone seriously going to miss this?

to be fair no, but how many more things are they going to cut?

I dunno, how many more stupid things are there in this game that just don't work outside of Japan any country that knows how to talk to women like normal human beings and have a healthy relationship

FTFY

Seriously, why does Japan have so much cringey sexual desperation leaking through all of their media?

Culture, it's always come back to culture. You see that as cringy, in Japan that's nothing outrageous and just playful fun.

Honestly this whole mess makes me wish that all Japanese Game companies, would jut follow Tecmo Koei's release for "english" localization like DoAX3. Just ignore the west and force them to import the "english" asian version if they really want to.

 

[gyrobot_v1legacy]

Oh no...that was holding the game together. Really, is anyone seriously going to miss this?

to be fair no, but how many more things are they going to cut?

I dunno, how many more stupid things are there in this game that just don't work outside of Japan any country that knows how to talk to women like normal human beings and have a healthy relationship

FTFY

Seriously, why does Japan have so much cringey sexual desperation leaking through all of their media?

Culture, it's always come back to culture. You see that as cringy, in Japan that's nothing outrageous and just playful fun.

Honestly this whole mess makes me wish that all Japanese Game companies, would jut follow Tecmo Koei's release for "english" localization like DoAX3. Just ignore the west and force them to import the "english" asian version if they really want to.

The only reason why they are evwn bothering to let westerners use playasia was to avoid burning bridges. If they wanted to be dicks they would have told playasia to not ccept orders from us. The case was a lost cause and KT did its best to stem the bleeding

 

[Metalix Knightmare]

People who think removing some pointless and creepy fanservice is a sign of big brother will never not be funny to me.

How was it pointless? And what do you mean creepy? Have you considered that maybe the content wasn't aimed at you? There are people who would have liked it. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it should be removed.

Is this a goddamned joke? Like, are you attempting some kind of advanced humoristics here?

Imagine this situation: You're in the army, fighting in, let's say, Vietnam. Your unit got ambushed by Vietcongs, and half of them didn't make it to base. You saw your brother getting shot through the heart and he died in your arms. You are understandibly feeling rather down. So your commander calls you to his officer tent and just... pets you. For 2 minutes.

Do you honestly not see how creepy and fucked up this is? How treating the people under your command like fucking dogs MIGHT be seen as a tad bit weird and wrong?

I swear, people who defend this kind of crap because it's "Japanese" cannot be anything other than condescending at best for an entire culture ("Oh, you gotta forgive it for being creepy and weird! It's Japanese! What else did you expect?") or at worst actually believe that this thing isn't the slight bit disturbing, even when applied to the context of the game.


If this was a feature added to DoA: Voleyball or a panty fighter, very few would bat an eye. But this is Fire Emblem, a game that's famous for it's deep storyline exploring racism, war and death. It's a turn-based strategy where the petting feature is completely uncalled for and actively ruins the mood.

Only a very small minority actually likes this feature, the one you belong to, while the vast majority of fans actively dislikes the feature, and thinks its inclusion cheapens the game. I'm sorry friend, but in a mere monetary level, it's not only worthless, but harmful, to appease to your likes.

You are attempting to apply realism to a series that has children fighting on the front lines of battle because they can turn into dragons. You really should stop that.

Know what else could be seen as creepy and wrong by the way? Tharja's stalking you, Nowie being romancable, being able to pursue a romance with Emmeryn after she became brain damaged, pursuing a relationship with ANY of the 2nd generation characters, and I'm pretty certain at least one game in this series had a pair of cousins hooking up. Why you're getting triggered by comforting head pats is beyond me, but it'd probably give the good doctor Sigmund a field day.

Also, please don't assume you speak for the vast majority of fans. The fact that there's as much debate on this subject as there is is proof enough you don't.

Seriously though, head patting is creepy? Really?

Edit: One more thing. Given all the crap those guys in Nam had to go through on a daily basis, they'd have probably REALLY appreciated a hug or two during a calm moment.

 

[Metalix Knightmare]

Oh no...that was holding the game together. Really, is anyone seriously going to miss this?

to be fair no, but how many more things are they going to cut?

I dunno, how many more stupid things are there in this game that just don't work outside of Japan any country that knows how to talk to women like normal human beings and have a healthy relationship

FTFY

Seriously, why does Japan have so much cringey sexual desperation leaking through all of their media?

You call what's going on these days a healthy relationship? America has a 50% divorce rate, and it's starting to feel like the genders are on the verge of civil war at times.

We aren't exactly in a position to judge in this regard.