First Ariel, now 007 is casted with a Black Female Actress. (Craig is still James Bond)

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2019/jul/15/lashana-lynch-new-007-james-bond-daniel-craig

Edit: I changed this to make sure its accurate since this is not JAMES BOND being replaced by a Black Actress but a character earning the 007 Title.

 

[CheetoDust_v1legacy]

Nope. 007 is being played by a black female actress. Bond is still a short blonde guy. After being a Scottish Guy, an Irish guy and an Australian.

 

[Saelune]

Daniel Craig sucked as Bond anyways and we are literally having people defend Concentration Camps in America.

This doesnt matter.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

Nope. 007 is being played by a black female actress. Bond is still a short blonde guy. After being a Scottish Guy, an Irish guy and an Australian.

Well you made me feel dumb now.

Goddamn comment I saw that linked this in discord.

Didn't mentioned that Craig was still James Bond and its only a different character earning the title of 007.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

Daniel Craig sucked as Bond anyways and we are literally having people defend Concentration Camps in America.

This doesnt matter.

Pierce Brosnan is best Bond and that's because I played Goldeneye 64 as a kid, but to be fair Goldeneye the movie is still a damn great Bond movie. And that's all Brosnan needed.

And yeah the Concentration Camps are only gonna blow back hard against the current administration someday.

 

[Silvanus]

we needed also for it to be a female. Because I guess we also don't want to see Bond flirting and romancing woman anymore.

Why would that need to stop if Bond was a woman?

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

we needed also for it to be a female. Because I guess we also don't want to see Bond flirting and romancing woman anymore.

Why would that need to stop if Bond was a woman?

Well I have no idea how the gender role reversal of the Bond-girl would be like.

Especially that in some movies the Bond-Girl tends to be a throw-away character for Bond to bed with. Case in point Quantum of Solace and Skyfall.

 

[Dreiko_v1legacy]

James Bond is a guy, it's fine if they want him to be played by a black woman but they better makeup her into the form of a guy and have her be a guy in the world. Otherwise, if they keep her looking like and acting like a woman, they better have a plot line about him getting a gender surgery somewhere in there since he's supposed to be the same person and is just being played by various actors and is not just supposedly different people with the same title.


But yeah, if they just wanna divorce the 007 title from James, that's fine.

 

[Casual Shinji]

we needed also for it to be a female. Because I guess we also don't want to see Bond flirting and romancing woman anymore.

Why would that need to stop if Bond was a woman?

It wouldn't, but James Bond is the quintessential male power fantasy -- good looks, licence to kill, expensive cars, high tech gadgets, travel to exotic places, and ofcourse (straight male) boning with hot ladies -- and with 007 as a woman I'm curious to see how they're going to market that. Not that male Bond wasn't already struggling to remain relevant in the modern movie landscape, with movies like Mission Impossible and Fast and Furious having made it pretty much obsolete.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

we needed also for it to be a female. Because I guess we also don't want to see Bond flirting and romancing woman anymore.

Why would that need to stop if Bond was a woman?

It wouldn't, but James Bond is the quintessential male power fantasy -- good looks, licence to kill, expensive cars, high tech gadgets, travel to exotic places, and ofcourse (straight male) boning with hot ladies -- and with 007 as a woman I'm curious to see how they're going to market that. Not that male Bond wasn't already struggling to remain relevant in the modern movie landscape, with movies like Mssion Impossible and Fast and Furious having made it pretty much obsolete.

Which is the point? Who is this movie going to appeal to? This is the talking point that "Anti-SJW" people on the internet have been saying for years.

This is done to push a political agenda, story and artistic creativity be damned. They just want a 007 to not be white male and that's it in an attempt to appeal to a wider non-white and male audience.

Like for example they say Feminists won't care about the movie and how compelling the story is or the actor. They just want a female to get represented in media and culture, that's it.

But on the other hand, I have yet to see a counter argument against this talking about by the Anti-SJW/Feminist ilk. So I am hoping you or anyone here can give me a counter argument.

 

[Neurotic Void Melody]

Sourced from an "anonymous insider" through a daily mail article. Regardless of integrity or personal lack of care for the outdated IP, there is a terribly dark desire to go salt-mining the comment section of the original article.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

Sourced from an "anonymous insider" through a daily mail article. Regardless of integrity or personal lack of care for the outdated IP, there is a terribly dark desire to go salt-mining the comment section of the original article.

Well this specific article has no comments for some reason I wonder.

 

[Hawki]

This isn't going to end well.

At this point, the film can end in one of three ways. Either:

a) Bond retires, and the girl keeps the 007 moniker (pissing off guys)

b) Bond reclaims the 007 moniker, and the girl either transfers or leaves MI6 (pissing off girls)

c) Bond rejoins MI6 but the girl keeps the 007 moniker, or the moniker is retired completely (pissing off everyone)

Thing is, I kind of like the idea of Bond retiring, then coming back to find that someone has taken his place, but whatever the case, it's going to piss off at least some segment of the populace.

Daniel Craig sucked as Bond anyways and we are literally having people defend Concentration Camps in America.

This doesnt matter.

And yet it matters enough for you to comment.

But yeah, if they just wanna divorce the 007 title from James, that's fine.

What's the point of him losing the 007 title though? "James Bond" and "007" are two peas in a pod at this point.

That said:

James Bond is a guy,

This.

FFS, the idea of a female Bond is assinine. I know people scream representation, but it's entirely possible to start one's own IP rather than hijacking a pre-existing one. That's not to say you couldn't have a female 00 agent operating in the same universe as a spinoff, but there's no need for a gender flip. Or if there is, I dunno, make it a spin-off comic or something, not the main course.

 

[Silvanus]

he's supposed to be the same person and is just being played by various actors and is not just supposedly different people with the same title.

Is he? Blofeld and Spectre are clearly not the same person/organisation from before.

 

[Hawki]

he's supposed to be the same person and is just being played by various actors and is not just supposedly different people with the same title.

Is he? Blofeld and Spectre are clearly not the same person/organisation from before.

There's basically three schools of thought when it comes to James Bond canon:

a) James Bond is a pseudonym that various male agents adopt (e.g. Connery, Moore, etc., are different people in-universe)

b) Each Bond actor has their own continuity - as in, the Connery films form their own arc, the Moore films their own arc, etc.)

c) The Connery-Bronsan era is its own continuity, and Craig starts a second continuity

b or c are the most likely candidates, as the first theory has too many holes in it. But whatever the case, the Craig films can't be in the continuity of any previous Bond. It isn't just SPECTRE, it's that Casino Royale is explicitly his first time out as a 00, and among other things, explicitly post-9/11. The previous Bond films are explicitly pre-9/11 given their context (Cold War, or in the case of GoldenEye, explicitly post-Cold War).

 

[Dreiko_v1legacy]

But yeah, if they just wanna divorce the 007 title from James, that's fine.

What's the point of him losing the 007 title though? "James Bond" and "007" are two peas in a pod at this point.

Not saying there's a point or that it'd be a good movie or anything, just that it doesn't destroy the stability of the lore and retcon decades worth of precedent. It might suck but it at least won't tarnish everything that came before it too.

Who knows, maybe they can handle it in such a way where James has to end up taking back the codename due to the incompetence of this new character. I will allow them an opportunity and if they fail then I can be disappointed but I won't dismiss it out of hand.

 

[Eacaraxe_v1legacy]

I just want to know if they're going to go all-in on this gender swap and have the movie opening credits have silhouettes of dancing naked men with magnum dongs with a male-vocal soul/R&B song.

 

[Casual Shinji]

Which is the point? Who is this movie going to appeal to? This is the talking point that "Anti-SJW" people on the internet have been saying for years.

This is done to push a political agenda, story and artistic creativity be damned. They just want a 007 to not be white male and that's it in an attempt to appeal to a wider non-white and male audience.

James Bond was never artistic or creative. It was all about selling a male power fantasy, nothing more. In the realm of cinema James Bond has always been pretty bland and uninspired, even when compared to similar movies, like Indiana Jones.

I'd say making 007 a black woman is more artistic than this series of movies has been for a long time, whether intentional or not. This feels more interesting than if they revealed 007 to just be another straight, white guy.

Like for example they say Feminists won't care about the movie and how compelling the story is or the actor. They just want a female to get represented in media and culture, that's it.

But on the other hand, I have yet to see a counter argument against this talking about by the Anti-SJW/Feminist ilk. So I am hoping you or anyone here can give me a counter argument.

It's easy to say 'who cares what gender a character has if it's a great character' when you're a guy. Though I'm sure there'll be plenty of women who will jump to that defense as well. But the point is that we're not going to get equal representation in movies if any sort of criticism concerning a lack of it gets shut down with 'who cares so long as it's a good character'.

Another franchise ruined by Woke culture. They got Star Wars, Star Trek, Dr. Who, Ghostbusters, soon Terminator will go the same route and now Bond.

Yeah, because the Ghostbusters, Star Wars, and Terminator sequels were so great until the SJW's got involved.

 

[McElroy]

I bet they kill the character. I trust Broccoli's word on this. She won't be the main character and no woman will ever lead a Bond franchise film.

 

[MrCalavera_v1legacy]

So that would mean there's no chance for Hiddleston Bond anytime soon. *sigh* Just when i finished mourning Elba...

But whatever the case, the Craig films can't be in the continuity of any previous Bond. It isn't just SPECTRE, it's that Casino Royale is explicitly his first time out as a 00, and among other things, explicitly post-9/11. The previous Bond films are explicitly pre-9/11 given their context (Cold War, or in the case of GoldenEye, explicitly post-Cold War).

Plus Skyfall outright confirms James Bond being his real name.

I just want to know if they're going to go all-in on this gender swap and have the movie opening credits have silhouettes of dancing naked men with magnum dongs with a male-vocal soul/R&B song.

Same. If you gonna do it, go big or go home.