First-cousin Marriage?
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Well, personally I have a very close relationship with my cousins, and many of them are like brothers and sisters to me, so from my perspective... eww.
Overall, I dunno. I guess if that's what really floats your boat then I guess I shouldn't judge, but the idea definitely creeps me out.
Overall, I dunno. I guess if that's what really floats your boat then I guess I shouldn't judge, but the idea definitely creeps me out.
Yes they did, and they also had quite a few nasty health problems that came with it.omega 616 said:
The Egyptian royal family was particularly bad about it. Take a close look at some of the depictions of the Egyptian royals from shortly before the Romans took the region over. You may notice a few odd things about their heads.
Frankly, it is a bit tough to predict the effects of incest. It is entirely possible for first cousins to bring out a nasty recessive disease within one generation. It is also entirely possible for brothers and sisters within a family line to pair up for ten or more generations with little to no genetic abnormality.
I'm actually a little surprised that something like this would pop up in Sweden. Sweden and Norway together have a bit of what is known as the "founder effect" going on. Their gene pool is relatively constricted by comparison to mainland Europe, meaning there is a greater chance for recessive genes to show up in a case like this. They are not nearly as bad off in that respect as a few other places are, such as Finland or the Amish communities in the US, but it is something they need to keep in mind.
Less insane and more... GOOD GOD, WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU?! I refer to Charles II (last Habsburg king of Spain)... same with Cleopatra VII's family, and you really have to wonder at what stroke of luck she turned out to be attractive... (her parents were siblings and grandparents were uncle and niece, AFAIK).Realitycrash said:
Comparatively, the British Royal family wasn't/isn't that inbred... only Victoria/Albert were first cousins... other than that, not all that bad... QE2/DoE are second cousins-once removed... *shrug* not that it matters much...Liquidacid23 said:most of the British royal family is inbred as fuck and they seem kinda mostly fine
I personally have no problem with it....then again I don't really care if you want to fuck a sheep, your grandmother, a tree, dress up in a furry suit, have someone shove stuff inside your body, or dance around in a tutu, playing with sparklers, with your balls in a vice singing yankee doodle dandee.
My general belief on sex and fetishes is that if both parties are adult and everyone is in agreement that this is what they want to do, fine, do it.
So if you want to marry your cousin, then what the fuck do I care?
Seeing as I live in the states, I'd supposed it's frowned upon (though there may be a few states where it's allowable), but so is a lot of stuff. Hell, I believe it's still illegal to commit sodomy several states...yeah -_- *sigh*.
My general belief on sex and fetishes is that if both parties are adult and everyone is in agreement that this is what they want to do, fine, do it.
So if you want to marry your cousin, then what the fuck do I care?
Seeing as I live in the states, I'd supposed it's frowned upon (though there may be a few states where it's allowable), but so is a lot of stuff. Hell, I believe it's still illegal to commit sodomy several states...yeah -_- *sigh*.
Fuck whoever you want (so long as consent can legally be given, and is given), and have governments ignore marriage as a quaint religious institution, I say... but for the sake of any make-believe bullshit you want to name, don't have kids with someone that closely related to you. In fact, try to get someone with different color skin from you if you're gonna breed.
Because it confuses familial roles, which is a huge no-no in society. Think about it, isn't that song I'm my own grandpa absurd? Wouldn't it be confusing, even disgusting to have a family tree like that? I'm not saying it should be illegal of course, I'm just saying that picking dates from the family reunion can be extremely awkward for the whole family. Incest is bad, m'kay.
BTW, the genetic reason really has never been the real reason here, nor the religious one. Incest stigma is essentially universal, though just what kinds of relationships qualify as incest depends on the family structure of the society and blue bloods have always gotten away with it because blue bloods get away with everything (there's a better answer, but... fuck).
BTW, the genetic reason really has never been the real reason here, nor the religious one. Incest stigma is essentially universal, though just what kinds of relationships qualify as incest depends on the family structure of the society and blue bloods have always gotten away with it because blue bloods get away with everything (there's a better answer, but... fuck).
Partly that was because of the importance of politic marriages with your neighbours. Keep doing that, and you end up inbreeding.omega 616 said:
Well, you could say the same about gay marriage, but that hasn't cuaght on in most places. Though, gay incestuou marriage would be less problematic than straight incestuous marriage, and some places that's legal and gay marriage isn't.omega 616 said:
Is two men having sex disgusting? The real question is, are you in position to judge them? Answer is no. Therefore, this discussion is moot, marrying your cousin is not my business, you can do whatever you want. I won't say anything.
It's called cultural relativism, folks. We're all supposed to practice it, right? Riiiiight?
It's called cultural relativism, folks. We're all supposed to practice it, right? Riiiiight?
I'm of the belief two consenting adults can do whatever they want so long as it doesn't harm anyone else. People determine law and culture, therefore it is wrong to assume what they say and think is always right. If it were to be proven first-cousin marriage would destroy society or bring harm to many people, then perhaps I would change my mind. Until then, perhaps governments should stay out of people's lives and stop trying to control people.
As long as you don?t spawn, I don?t care what the fuck you do with your relatives before second cousins.
Didn't a lot of major history figures have first-cousin marriages?
Albert Einstein is one that I know of.
From what I read, first cousin breeding is double (2% to 4%) the chance of a birth defect. (Or quadruple, 1% to 4%) which is sort of reasonable.
I think it's quite a lot lower with second-cousins. (1.5~2%)
Albert Einstein is one that I know of.
From what I read, first cousin breeding is double (2% to 4%) the chance of a birth defect. (Or quadruple, 1% to 4%) which is sort of reasonable.
I think it's quite a lot lower with second-cousins. (1.5~2%)
Personally, I'd want my children to be more genetically diverse for a wide range of biological health reasons.Realitycrash said:
Honestly, if somebody I knew and loved was planning on marrying their first cousin I would ask them to consult with a genetics expert, a doctor who works in the field.
People get "squicky" feelings about sex with close family members for a reason. Look at what happened when certain aristocracies tried to keep their bloodlines "pure" by familial inbreeding. Anemia, poor lifespan, and poor health eventually resulted.
Where I live, in the heartland of the USA, yes, it would be considered very odd to marry your first cousin. My first cousins are like siblings to me. Ew.
I'm also Swedish.
Not interested in marrying a cousin, but also not judging anyone else for it. Consenting adults and all that. The risks for potential offspring are so miniscule that it's not worth thinking about (unless inbreeding becomes a family tradition).
That said, I also think siblings should be able to marry (again, consenting adults), but in this case I'd actually be strongly against any procreation between them. (Note: I do not support forced sterilization. I would expect the participants in the relationship to practice their preferred form of safe sex.)
Not interested in marrying a cousin, but also not judging anyone else for it. Consenting adults and all that. The risks for potential offspring are so miniscule that it's not worth thinking about (unless inbreeding becomes a family tradition).
That said, I also think siblings should be able to marry (again, consenting adults), but in this case I'd actually be strongly against any procreation between them. (Note: I do not support forced sterilization. I would expect the participants in the relationship to practice their preferred form of safe sex.)
It has nothing to do with disgusting. Two men having sex together doesn't produce offspring that could potentially have genetic damage due to inbreeding. Hell, I breed dogs and cats and WE avoid inbreeding in our ANIMALS because it causes so many health problems.Silvianoshei said:
When a couple does something that they know will produce a child with a higher percentage chance of birth defects, they are indeed involving the government - especially if they use health care provided by a public system. It's a give and take; we need to decide HOW damaging a thing is, not how "disgusting" a thing is.
If you want to argue that gay men having sex together is somehow damaging I don't agree with you; but at least the argument would be able to get started. "Damaging" is something we can quantify, "Disgusting" is just something that elicits a feeling.
To add - if these first cousins decided to get together and NEVER have children, always using birth control?Silvianoshei said:
Yeah, then it's none of my business and I don't even care if they're brother and sister. I might find it disgusting, but I wouldn't try to make it illegal.