First thoughts upon hearing "Japan".

[SomeLameStuff]

Yes well, I just got off watching Mirai Nikki so... this is all I can think of.

Save me ;-;

 

[Vault101]

......really?...then could you tell the difference between the first example and a charachter with the "pink hair and a face thats half eyes?" because its pretty noticable

no, not really, the only difference is that it is a bit less exaggerated... but thats about it.

"less exaggerated" is a pretty major difference....Perfect blue wouldn't have worked if Mima was a pink haird "big eyes" charachter since the story/setting is more grounded in reality

The problem is, that "the story is awful" is already very specific.

no...its not...not when you say "the story was bad". full stop, if I read a reveiw I wan't more detail then "the story was bad" because otherwise I can't tell if I would agree with the reveiwer or if they are talking out of their ass

[quote/]It is everything, from non-coherent storytelling, to extremely poor and in its own way generic characters where the guy seem like girls and the girls seem like helpless girlygirls to make the men look more like men, it is the exaggeration in every sense, it is the terrible dialog, the giant plot-holes... there is just so much, it is everything about it.[/quote]
yeah I know what "story was bad" means but again you'd have to point out thease things specifically like I said in the point before

No, I might not as well have, it is a difference. my terminology is just that much more mature, so please stick to the truth, ok? ok.

mature?....sure..whatever then, thats makes it "better" I'm sure

actually.. yes, even if i say "that is bad" it is still a lot more constructive than "it is bullshit", because the latter one is just profane.

....how is being less profane more helpful? they are pretty much exactly the same in meaning (aside from some subtlety)..and BOTH are equally unhelpful statements

So it is up to you to save the day from misinformation without ever thinking about the possible information status of the one you are trying to proselytize? ... On the Internet?

If someone says something I find I disagree with then I'll "engage" in discussion...thats pretty much the point of forums

Here's the thing: it does not apply to "pretty much anything". I would agree, that it applies to a lot of things, especially media-driven things, but still what is the rule in such a case? Do the 10% dictate to rule, or is it the 90%?

thats somwhat subjective....one persons crap is anothers masterpeice

I am not quite sure what an "interent" is, but I guess you mean "Internet".I can assure you I spend most of my time on the Internet, as most of my studies involve the world wide web and I myself have a lot of business here.[b/] I guess I have not heard the terms, because I don't spend my time near "Anime"-fanboys who use them to distinguish themselves the "normal nerds".[/b]

neither do I...majority of my online-related activity is Gaming focused...yet I have learned thease terms...a real mystery I'm sure. Ether way I don't know what your point there is or if your trying to imply somthing

But I have been to japan, i also know a few people who have been, and no, they don't know much about japanese statistics ether, because... well... do you know any statistics of the country you live in apart from some commonly known numbers (population etc...)? Would you know something like that if you are just visiting? Sorry, but that assumption is not making much sense in this context.

wait....wasnt your whole point that you were convinced there was more rape than the statistics showed?

I just said what I read from what you wrote. [b/]Also I never said it was ok with you.[/b]

no but I was using hyperbole/sarcasm...AND you did say
[quote/]You on the other hand seem take a rather... how do I say it... "indifferent" position regarding this subject. Is groping something you do not criticize?[/quote]
I mean come on, or did I just interpret that wrong?

[quote/]You just seem so attached to the thought that japan does not have a problem we need to criticize, or I am allowed to criticize even as my own opinion... if you think differently, why to you keep criticizing me?[/quote]
I'm not....I find japan interesting both for its good and bad points, I'm under no delusion its some utopia and don't know where you got that Idea

I know why, I told you above.

you THINK you know why....all your going on is your own conclusions

the last sentence does seem unfinished... anyway: Yes, american culture (or at least the culture proclaimed by the USA) is messed up... very messed up, but this thread is not about America, it is about japan,

but I'm using it as an example..."right and wrong" are largely cultural Ideas, somthing I thourght was worth keeping in mind (and no I wasnt saying any of it in eather countrys is ok)

so what you are saying kind of loses validity .

does it now?...is that a statment you can just throw around whenever you feel like it?

 

[Okulossos]

"less exaggerated" is a pretty major difference....Perfect blue wouldn't have worked if Mima was a pink haird "big eyes" charachter since the story/setting is more grounded in reality

No, it is not such a big difference, but I guess, if you want to make a statement you take what you get... it is the little thing, am I right?

no...its not...not when you say "the story was bad". full stop, if I read a reveiw I wan't more detail then "the story was bad" because otherwise I can't tell if I would agree with the reveiwer or if they are talking out of their ass

Well, look up what a story is made out of, all that is bad, I do hope that this is specific enough.

yeah I know what "story was bad" means but again you'd have to point out thease things specifically like I said in the point before

since I am not writing reviews for a bad website I don't feel like repeating a dictionary if it is obvious what I mean.

mature?....sure..whatever then, thats makes it "better" I'm sure

It most definitely does. Curse-words are a poor emphasizing method used only if you lack the vocabulary to do otherwise.

....how is being less profane more helpful? they are pretty much exactly the same in meaning (aside from some subtlety)..and BOTH are equally unhelpful statements

First of all profanity disables others from taking you seriously . Second it does not have the same meaning, one is an excrement coming from the anus of a bull and the other is a word that describes a dislike for something. Third, I don't think that your "bullshit" is even a bit as helpful as "bad" because "bad" expresses my feelings towards something while your "bullshit" is just profanity, I guess for the lack of better words.

If someone says something I find I disagree with then I'll "engage" in discussion...thats pretty much the point of forums

And I thought forum where there to exchange interesting thoughts instead of "engaging into a discussion if someone has a different opinion", but I could be wrong . Ah, the Internet has changed so much...

thats somwhat subjective....one persons crap is anothers masterpeice

You do know that there are certain universally excepted ideas of what makes for a good movie? Well if none of them apply than you can be pretty sure that your taste will be challenged in almost every discussion you have on that subject .

neither do I...majority of my online-related activity is Gaming focused...yet I have learned thease terms...a real mystery I'm sure. Ether way I don't know what your point there is or if your trying to imply somthing

Well, I don't know which gaming sites you visit and maybe I am also blind to such words, but I did not come across them, at least not in a way that they would spark my interest (which means, that I do not exclude the possibility of having seen them before) .

wait....wasnt your whole point that you were convinced there was more rape than the statistics showed?

You do know the term "dark figures"? It is a static that tries to imply things that have not been reported. These numbers are not always correct, but they are being determined on the bases of a vast knowledge. Those are never official but always a lot more interesting If you can get your hands on them... fun fact is, that I have access to such data .

I mean come on, or did I just interpret that wrong?

Well, what does it mean to be indifferent regarding this subject? It does not mean that you are ok with that, it just implies that you don't care which is a completely different topic.

[quote/]I'm not....I find japan interesting both for its good and bad points, I'm under no delusion its some utopia and don't know where you got that Idea[/quote]
I got the idea while you where busy criticizing me for my critiques in that matter...

you THINK you know why....all your going on is your own conclusions

Those conclusions are not based in thin air, read a book about cultural studies and you will find out why I mean .

but I'm using it as an example..."right and wrong" are largely cultural Ideas, somthing I thourght was worth keeping in mind (and no I wasnt saying any of it in eather countrys is ok)

Then don't make you texts sound like that .

does it now?...is that a statment you can just throw around whenever you feel like it?

Nope, it is also based on what you have written... maybe you don't realize what you write?

 

[Eddie the head]

The language, pandas and anime. Not alot to say.

Pandas? The Pediatric Autoimmune Neuropsychiatric Disorders Associated with Streptococcal infections? I mean they might be in Japan, but the bears are, well not. Also a lot is two words.

 

[Vault101]

No, it is not such a big difference, but I guess, if you want to make a statement you take what you get... it is the little thing, am I right?

yeah I'm sorry but contradiction (straight out saying no without further explanation) is not an argument

if you can't understand the importance of artstyle and what affect is has on a work then mabye its more clear why you don't like anime

Well, look up what a story is made out of, all that is bad, I do hope that this is specific enough.since I am not writing reviews for a bad website I don't feel like repeating a dictionary if it is obvious what I mean.

I KNOW what makes a story, my point is that I'm not going to be able to take your opinion on a specific work seriously if you don't feel the need to elaborate, "the story was bad" <-ummm I disagree?..what do I say to that?

I can accept if somone doesnt like somthing and they can explain WHY, but call bullshit if somone can't explain..saying "the story is bad" does not tell me a god damn thing, if you came up with REASONS WHY THE STORY WAS BAD then you know what? I might actually agree...but you gave me nothing (that said we don't actually have to debate over weather or not those things were good/bad)

It most definitely does. Curse-words are a poor emphasizing method used only if you lack the vocabulary to do otherwise.

but the meaning doesnt always change that much
[quote/]First of all profanity disables others from taking you seriously .[/quote]
somtimes...but if somone articulates their point well enough with swear I will take them ALOT more seriously than somone who says "x was bad" as if thats enough

[quote/]Second it does not have the same meaning, one is an excrement coming from the anus of a bull and the other is a word that describes a dislike for something. Third, I don't think that your "bullshit" is even a bit as helpful as "bad" because "bad" expresses my feelings towards something while your "bullshit" is just profanity, I guess for the lack of better words.[/quote]
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO no no no no no no no no no no

NO

1. 99% of the time Bullshit is not a literal term..now unless you were born yesterday you KNOW this...and I get the impression your doing this on purpose

2.Bad does describe a dislike for somthing..but in some cases bullshit is a better word to use, because it carries more weight and emotion...it gives the clear message that you not only dislike somthing but are PISSED...hence why we have swear words...while they are vulgar they also carry weight and can be effective when used correctly

in fact only being limited to words liek bad can also show lack of vocabulary...its a rather weak unspecific word

however I'm not here to argue english

And I thought forum where there to exchange interesting thoughts instead of "engaging into a discussion if someone has a different opinion", but I could be wrong . Ah, the Internet has changed so much...

interesting thourghts can be exchanged through argument...

You do know that there are certain universally excepted ideas of what makes for a good movie? Well if none of them apply than you can be pretty sure that your taste will be challenged in almost every discussion you have on that subject .[quote/]
your saying that none of them apply to those examples of good Anime? you;d find quite a few people who disagree with you

Well, I don't know which gaming sites you visit and maybe I am also blind to such words, but I did not come across them, at least not in a way that they would spark my interest (which means, that I do not exclude the possibility of having seen them before) .

stil don't see your point...aside from some anecdotal evidence

You do know the term "dark figures"? It is a static that tries to imply things that have not been reported. These numbers are not always correct, but they are being determined on the bases of a vast knowledge. Those are never official but always a lot more interesting If you can get your hands on them... fun fact is, that I have access to such data .

yeah and I work for the CIA...... even if what your saying is true I can;t accept it at face value

Well, what does it mean to be indifferent regarding this subject? It does not mean that you are ok with that, it just implies that you don't care which is a completely different topic.

well I DO find the groping thing rather unpleasant if you really want to know

Those conclusions are not based in thin air, read a book about cultural studies and you will find out why I mean .

doesnt matter..ITS STILL your own conclusions regardless of how credible you think they are

Nope, it is also based on what you have written... maybe you don't realize what you write?

you based it on the fact I was making a vaild point on how its easy to judge other cultures...

once again your own conslusions

 

[trophykiller]

Is it wrong that I immediately think "trade partner" when I hear the word "japan"? I know, I know, there are millions of people there, each with their own life, passions, and dreams, yet I can't quit thinking of the country as "money for my country", or "China plus karma points".

I am a horrible person.

 

[Arfonious]

Two things:

First: Really bad steel.
To elaborate I'm thinking of the famous katana, an extremely exaggerated sword. It was a blacksmiths real master work because it had to be, the steel was so bad that they had to put many hours into making it good. It's a decent but fragile weapon made from shitty materials

Secont: One of the worst warcrimes ever
Hiroshima and Nagasaki

 

[Zanderinfal]

The language, pandas and anime. Not alot to say.

Pandas? The Pediatric Autoimmune Neuropsychiatric Disorders Associated with Streptococcal infections? I mean they might be in Japan, but the bears are, well not. Also a lot is two words.

I was actually thinking the stereotype, how in the Japanese jungle there would be tonnes of bamboo, pandas tigers and stuff. I know that it's not actually like that, just something to note.

Captcha: "very nice" Borat is in the system, I like.

 

[WindKnight]

Tentacle rape. Lots and lots of tentacle rape. They are a strange bunch indeed.

'before you judge another culture on its porn, see what porn your own culture consumes.'

 

[kannibus]

I think they're attempting to build a real Gundam. Not a statue, but one you can actually fight with. Also tentacles.

They've got some unique beer too. It's a bit on the sweet side though, not that I mind. Finally, they've got some truly awesome food. It almost like finger food ALL THE TIME!

At lease that's what it seemed like to me.

 

[Hjalmar Fryklund]

I'm...drawing a blank. There is quite a few things that I could associate with Japan (almost everyone of those have been mentioned already), but somehow my brain refuses to pick one.

Umm...they are one the world´s few large open economies, I guess?

'before you judge another culture on its porn, see what porn your own culture consumes.'

I so want that on a T-shirt.

 

[draken693]

Mmmm... delicious food.

 

[Okulossos]

yeah I'm sorry but contradiction (straight out saying no without further explanation) is not an argument

I would agree if it was not a "yes-or-no" question, but it is. Does it look similar? No, it does not. Doesn't it look different from other "anime"? No, it does not... no explanation needed here.

if you can't understand the importance of artstyle and what affect is has on a work then mabye its more clear why you don't like anime

I do understand the importance of an art-style, but the problem is, that I can identify "Anime" the second I look at it, because the style is the same every time.

I can accept if somone doesnt like somthing and they can explain WHY, but call bullshit if somone can't explain..saying "the story is bad" does not tell me a god damn thing, if you came up with REASONS WHY THE STORY WAS BAD then you know what? I might actually agree...but you gave me nothing (that said we don't actually have to debate over weather or not those things were good/bad)

Yea, maybe some people have that kind of time, but I don't. "Anime" stories are typically terrible, if you want examples watch some.

but the meaning doesnt always change that much

Og you have no idea. It changes tone, competence and thus also meaning.

somtimes...but if somone articulates their point well enough with swear I will take them ALOT more seriously than somone who says "x was bad" as if thats enough

"Sometimes"? Well, why is it, that I have never read a serious article where people start throwing around swearwords?

1. 99% of the time Bullshit is not a literal term..now unless you were born yesterday you KNOW this...and I get the impression your doing this on purpose

To me such words have no meaning at all. They are just used if someone fails to make his point. Such words are useless in a proper discussion.

2.Bad does describe a dislike for somthing..but in some cases bullshit is a better word to use, because it carries more weight and emotion...it gives the clear message that you not only dislike somthing but are PISSED...hence why we have swear words...while they are vulgar they also carry weight and can be effective when used correctly

in fact only being limited to words liek bad can also show lack of vocabulary...its a rather weak unspecific word

Great world you live in, where "bad" is not "bad" enough and you have to use all kinds of profane words because proper vocabulary does not cut it anymore... not my world, sorry.
Also You can use words such as "horrible", "terrible" or "awful" if you want a stronger expression. Not being able to think of that, but instead going for profanity... well... you know .

interesting thourghts can be exchanged through argument...

Yea, but not in a debate on principles, such as we have here.

your saying that none of them apply to those examples of good Anime? you;d find quite a few people who disagree with you

Such as yourself, or... what did you call them? "Otaku"?

yeah and I work for the CIA...... even if what your saying is true I can;t accept it at face value

Well, I am working an a university, it is not quite the CIA, but it will suffice. You do know, that it is estimated, that every 5th women under the age of 20 has been a rapevictim in japan? If you work for the CIA you should go check it out .

well I DO find the groping thing rather unpleasant if you really want to know

Sure it is unpleasant for you... So, you admit that what I said is true...?

doesnt matter..ITS STILL your own conclusions regardless of how credible you think they are

In fact it is not my own, but the one made by some studies over the past years, i am just selling it as my own.

you based it on the fact I was making a vaild point on how its easy to judge other cultures...

once again your own conslusions

Isn't it also called judging if you criticize others for judging a culture?

ps.:
one small advice: when using Firefox you can activate a spelling checker

 

[easternflame]

This:

Spoiler

Heck, I'm not even a geography freak or anything, I don't know why but the map popped into my head.

 

[corneth]

GIFs of animes that I haven't watched run through my head

 

[Spearmaster]

Feudal era samurais eating sushi in a GoGo club watching a giant robot dancing.
I don't really know why but that's the first thing that comes to mind.

 

[Lonewolfm16]

Anime, jrpgs, samurai, fuedalism, tea.

 

[LadyTiamat]

Ramen.......cause ramen is tasty.

but other thoughts are anime and metal gear!

 

[pppppppppppppppppp]

Crowded.

Seriously, why 125+ million people choose to live on tiny pieces of barely inhabitable land is beyond me (well, it's not usually a choice, but still). Say what you want about Texas, but at least we have some elbow room and the land is cheap.

 

[HellbirdIV]

I thought of the Japanese flag. Generally that's what I do when I think of a nation, I start out identifying the country by their flag or something iconic (Like the Taj Mahal for India, the Eifel Tower for Paris, and a giant island filled with things that want to murder every human in sight for Australia).