Flash Game Makes Players Beat Up "Tropes vs. Women" Creator

[BRex21]

I?m going to edit out the parts relating to our misunderstanding as they aren?t really relevant anymore.

You are right that on the surface it does run contrary to equal rights. But on the other hand there was a reason that women did fight to be treated to be equal to that of men. Yet the issue comes towards that of safety and security comes the question of if there "is actually a problem?" that does warrant that trade of liberty for that security. Personally I will disagree with such a notion and while we all know that molestation is bad, violence is bad, the hard truth is that there are a lot of bad things out there that affect us. However it is up to us to be vigilant and also understand that we have a code of laws that empower people to stop such acts and also punish people who decide to violate said law based on our philosophical standards that are constantly changing.

So, what is the infringement on liberty in the case of creating a safe space for women? Let?s go with the subway example some more. Given that the use of such safe spaces is voluntary, not mandated (that is, women may choose whether or not they wish to ride in a car that has been deemed ?women only?) Where is liberty being infringed?
Women are being given an option that allows them a chance to travel free from the threat of sexual assault. Men already travel free from the threat of sexual assault. That would seem to be generating liberty, rather than infringing it ? not to mention making the state of being more equal between men and women.

I just wanted a chance to pick this argument apart a bit:
I'm going to swap this over to universities, simply because of the alleged rape and sexual assault epidemics going on there, its also one of the most blatantly anti-equality environments. Women, the minority (IE the largest segment of the population) need special protection from men, ie the majority (the smallest segment of the population), so women get crisis centres and womens centres and all kinds of women safe zones. Since there are legitimate uses for these spaces it makes sense. Where it becomes anti equality is the circular arguments that spring out of them IE the existence of women safe spaces is needed because men are dangerous... i mean why else are there all these women safe spaces.
In a Canadian university (St. Francis) recently tried to open a mens centre and was met with campaigns like this: ( http://www.springerlink.com/content/h4038x61400l8273/ ) not the argument that men dont need centres like this because they don't have mens rights campaigns. IE men don't need protection because men never needed protection in the past, and men would turn in to "douche bags around a ps3" without female supervision. This is actually the perfect example of why men need a mens centre to get away from the belittling and controlling behaviour of campus feminism.
But it gets better! Studies of sexual assault and rape across campuses have been finding shocking rates of male victims and female perpetrators. Studies like this one: http://www.springerlink.com/content/h4038x61400l8273/ were done all across campuses in the United States and found that among the women "Almost 1 in 10 respondents (9.3%) reported having used aggressive strategies to coerce a man into sexual activities. Exploitation of the man's incapacitated state was used most frequently (5.6%), followed by verbal pressure (3.2%) and physical force (2%). An additional 5.4% reported attempted acts of sexual aggression."
In the wake of these studies the US government has redefined what "rape" means to include situations where a woman is sexually assaulted but to omit situations where a woman forces full blown intercourse on an unwilling man, The argument being that erections equal consent. In fact, with the new law, If a drunk woman climbs on top of an unconscious man HE is violating HER. The US government has also been butting heads with the supreme court to pass legislation to end due process for men, and only men, accused of crimes against a woman.
So the state of affairs isn't so much about protecting women, as it is about protecting women while stripping away the rights of men and completely ignoring them when they legitimately need help. So I am aware this is a loaded question, but in a situation like this are you simply turning a blind eye? or do you honestly believe that men being raped is inconsequential or otherwise undeserving of protection?

 

[Harbinger_]

I'd like to say this is likely more on the gamer side rather than nerd side. I'd like to think that us nerds and geeks get picked on and bullied enough that we'd likely not do it to another.

 

[Pandabearparade]

I suspect I'm about to get flamed...

Why is this newsworthy? She has made a career out of troll baiting, getting trolled, and getting enormous donations for enduring such "abuse".

Know where the real sexism is? The kid gloves people expect her to be treated with. She's only getting trolled to about the extent one would expect a youtuber with her amount of viewership to get.

She posted a selection of "harassment" she had to deal with in the comments section. Go read it. This is a sample she picked herself to make her point. Count out how many comments are sexist, and how many are literate and reasonable. Frankly, the amount of reasonable comments seem to me to be far above the youtube average, which is sitting somewhere between lobotomized chimpanzee and mental patient after a pint of vodka.

She's a moron, her arguments are garbage, and the people white knighting for her are the real sexists for expecting a double standard of treatment. Go read Thunderf00t's channel, or the Amazing Atheist's. I'm not endorsing either of these two, but look at their comments on any controversial video. It will be just as bad or worse. Do they get news stories?

 

[lacktheknack]

I suspect I'm about to get flamed...

Why is this newsworthy? She has made a career out of troll baiting, getting trolled, and getting enormous donations for enduring such "abuse".

Know where the real sexism is? The kid gloves people expect her to be treated with. She's only getting trolled to about the extent one would expect a youtuber with her amount of viewership to get.

She posted a selection of "harassment" she had to deal with in the comments section. Go read it. This is a sample she picked herself to make her point. Count out how many comments are sexist, and how many are literate and reasonable. Frankly, the amount of reasonable comments seem to me to be far above the youtube average, which is sitting somewhere between lobotomized chimpanzee and mental patient after a pint of vodka.

She's a moron, her arguments are garbage, and the people white knighting for her are the real sexists for expecting a double standard of treatment. Go read Thunderf00t's channel, or the Amazing Atheist's. I'm not endorsing either of these two, but look at their comments on any controversial video. It will be just as bad or worse. Do they get news stories?

At some point, there's a line to be crossed.

For many (such as myself), this was the line.

 

[Krion_Vark]

I actually found this a few days ago and thought it brought up some valid points against Anita.


LOL at the Captcha: believe me

 

[Pandabearparade]

For many (such as myself), this was the line.

I'm not tolerating this behavior, but let's be real here. This isn't genuine sexism, it's trolling. People have edited Thunderf00t into porn, and shown pictures of The Amazing Atheist nude -- trolls like to cross lines, that isn't acceptable, but let's not pretend that her being trolled is some proof of how evil and sexist gamer culture is.

There is a lot of scum and villainy on the interwebs, but she's using the fact that she's trolled as a shield from genuine rebuttal to her piss-poor argumentation.

 

[lacktheknack]

We don't have a terrible misogyny problem on the internet or in actual real life. Tell you what, why don't you actively investigate all the people that were involved with creating that crap and actually get to know them. Find out what they do for their job, how much they get paid, and what organizations and groups do they actively dabble in. Yeah you are going to have to do some investigative work and violate the privacy of people but if you really and honestly think that there is misogyny on the internet then you should either prove it and then enforce our government to take legal action on those people or get involved politically allowing the government to enforce people be identified whenever they go online.

What... the... hell....?

...

If you say misogynistic things on the internet, THEN YOU HAVE MISOGYNISTIC TENDENCIES. There is no research required, there's no "getting to know", there's no deeper meaning, it is your unidentified self getting loose and saying the things YOU WANT TO SAY.

Honestly, some people...

 

[him over there]

We don't have a terrible misogyny problem on the internet or in actual real life. Tell you what, why don't you actively investigate all the people that were involved with creating that crap and actually get to know them. Find out what they do for their job, how much they get paid, and what organizations and groups do they actively dabble in. Yeah you are going to have to do some investigative work and violate the privacy of people but if you really and honestly think that there is misogyny on the internet then you should either prove it and then enforce our government to take legal action on those people or get involved politically allowing the government to enforce people be identified whenever they go online.

What... the... hell....?

...

If you say misogynistic things on the internet, THEN YOU HAVE MISOGYNISTIC TENDENCIES. There is no research required, there's no "getting to know", there's no deeper meaning, it is your unidentified self getting loose and saying the things YOU WANT TO SAY.

Honestly, some people...

Not entirely, plenty people do bigoted things totally straight faced because they know it makes people mad because of how taboo and sanctioned off it is. It's guaranteed to get a reaction therefore the perfect thing to make people angry for the sake of making them angry.

 

[Knight Templar]

Know where the real sexism is? The kid gloves people expect her to be treated with. She's only getting trolled to about the extent one would expect a youtuber with her amount of viewership to get.

To that there are two obvious objections.

1) So because bad things happen to several people, it's no longer bad? We should accept these things, not call them out as disgusting and wrong? That bad things happen isn't an argument for it being acceptable.

2) The treatment isn't the same. I don't see people drawing porn of and making games about beating up sxephill.

She's a moron, her arguments are garbage

I would say ignorant rather than moron, but that's beside the point. How wrong she is or isn't does not make harassment ok.

EDIT:

People have edited Thunderf00t into porn

And now I'm remembering how he flipped out and blamed everyone except the person who did it. That was ridiculous in addition to being inappropriate.
However I do not think it is a situation that can be compared, since Thunderf00t was promoting videos by somebody who was doing the exact same thing. If Anita is doing something like that I am unaware of it.

 

[Clearing the Eye]

A shame it's removed from the site. I would have liked to play it.

 

[lacktheknack]

For many (such as myself), this was the line.

I'm not tolerating this behavior, but let's be real here. This isn't genuine sexism, it's trolling. People have edited Thunderf00t into porn, and shown pictures of The Amazing Atheist nude -- trolls like to cross lines, that isn't acceptable, but let's not pretend that her being trolled is some proof of how evil and sexist gamer culture is.

There is a lot of scum and villainy on the interwebs, but she's using the fact that she's trolled as a shield from genuine rebuttal to her piss-poor argumentation.

Maybe she is, although that's not the problem I'm looking at.

I'm looking at a completely separate problem, the one that is at the root of this game getting made. And quite frankly, I care more about that problem than the woman in question being a poor debater.

 

[Moonlight Butterfly]

I actually found this a few days ago and thought it brought up some valid points against Anita.


LOL at the Captcha: believe me

Booth babes are in fact paid by gaming companies to wear what they do. Most of her points are complete rubbish. Also the fact that she sees half naked women everywhere doesn't make it 'right'.

Men are made for male gamer power fantasies not for women to drool over. It's called false equivalence.

Zelda and Princess Peach are pretty much the exact definition of a damsel in distress. Why the hell is Zelda even being captured in the first place if she can bring Ganondorf to his knees with one spell?

All of her points are totally bogus.

ot: This is bloody horrible nice to know what some guys really want to do to a female gamer with an opinion different to their own.

 

[lacktheknack]

We don't have a terrible misogyny problem on the internet or in actual real life. Tell you what, why don't you actively investigate all the people that were involved with creating that crap and actually get to know them. Find out what they do for their job, how much they get paid, and what organizations and groups do they actively dabble in. Yeah you are going to have to do some investigative work and violate the privacy of people but if you really and honestly think that there is misogyny on the internet then you should either prove it and then enforce our government to take legal action on those people or get involved politically allowing the government to enforce people be identified whenever they go online.

What... the... hell....?

...

If you say misogynistic things on the internet, THEN YOU HAVE MISOGYNISTIC TENDENCIES. There is no research required, there's no "getting to know", there's no deeper meaning, it is your unidentified self getting loose and saying the things YOU WANT TO SAY.

Honestly, some people...

Not entirely, plenty people do bigoted things totally straight faced because they know it makes people mad because of how taboo and sanctioned off it is. It's guaranteed to get a reaction therefore the perfect thing to make people angry for the sake of making them angry.

If you follow the user around for a while, and they maintain their attitude, it's quite safe to call them as you see them. That's more of what I meant be "saying things on the internet" rather than just isolated cases.

 

[Pandabearparade]

1) So because bad things happen to several people, it's no longer bad? We should accept these things, not call them out as disgusting and wrong? That bad things happen isn't an argument for it being acceptable.

Not at all. I addressed that a moment ago in another post. It isn't okay for any harsh trolling to occur, I'm merely pointing out the double standard that is used. She gets trolled with about the same intensity as TAA and Tfoot, but she's the only one who gets a news story or uses trolling as a shield to avoid addressing legitimate rebuttals. She implicitly groups people with genuine counters to her shoddy points with the people who tell her to make a sandwich.

2) The treatment isn't the same. I don't see people drawing porn of and making games about beating up sxephill.

You likely haven't looked hard enough, but I did give two examples above. The Amazing Atheist and Thunderf00t have both had worse trolling done to them. No news stories or violins playing on their behalf.

 

[Bazaalmon]

"Any form of constructive criticism, even from fellow women, is either ignored or labelled to be sexist against her."
Yeah, because clearly he knows constructive.
Also, donating money to kickstarter is completely voluntary.
Obviously the next step in the insane misogynist hoard's agenda is to hunt her down and burn her at the stake like a witch for daring to assume that there is a problem with sexism in video games.

 

[him over there]

We don't have a terrible misogyny problem on the internet or in actual real life. Tell you what, why don't you actively investigate all the people that were involved with creating that crap and actually get to know them. Find out what they do for their job, how much they get paid, and what organizations and groups do they actively dabble in. Yeah you are going to have to do some investigative work and violate the privacy of people but if you really and honestly think that there is misogyny on the internet then you should either prove it and then enforce our government to take legal action on those people or get involved politically allowing the government to enforce people be identified whenever they go online.

What... the... hell....?

...

If you say misogynistic things on the internet, THEN YOU HAVE MISOGYNISTIC TENDENCIES. There is no research required, there's no "getting to know", there's no deeper meaning, it is your unidentified self getting loose and saying the things YOU WANT TO SAY.

Honestly, some people...

Not entirely, plenty people do bigoted things totally straight faced because they know it makes people mad because of how taboo and sanctioned off it is. It's guaranteed to get a reaction therefore the perfect thing to make people angry for the sake of making them angry.

If you follow the user around for a while, and they maintain their attitude, it's quite safe to call them as you see them. That's more of what I meant be "saying things on the internet" rather than just isolated cases.

Ah sorry, I thought you were dealing in absolutes for a second there. I'm reserving judgement about her until her project comes out myself, if only to see if the accusations of manipulating easily angered and hostile groups for publicity is sincere or not.

 

[Leslie Jordan]

I'd like to say this is likely more on the gamer side rather than nerd side. I'd like to think that us nerds and geeks get picked on and bullied enough that we'd likely not do it to another.

It's not gamer or nerd culture, it's troll culture.

There have been "games" like this for many years. I think I first played a Bill Clinton one way back in '97. While it might not be the pinnacle of game design, it's a quick and easy way to get people playing your games. Afterall, celebrities will always have their haters.

 

[Leslie Jordan]

I'd like to say this is likely more on the gamer side rather than nerd side. I'd like to think that us nerds and geeks get picked on and bullied enough that we'd likely not do it to another.

It's not gamer or nerd culture, it's troll culture.

There have been "games" like this for many years. I think I first played a Bill Clinton one way back in '97. While it might not be the pinnacle of game design, it's a quick and easy way to get people playing your games. Afterall, celebrities will always have their haters.

 

[The Mighty Stove]

Ugh, I wish she would just be go away. Now with this apparently being "news worthy" she'll more then likely receive more sympathy (More money!!$!!). You disagree with Anita? That's fine then, just IGNORE her. That is one of the biggest weapons to fight against her. Seeing as how she responds to logical posts, she will not respond to them. The Newgrounds game was wrong, and pretty messed up. Sexism is a problem still, but this snake-oil salesmen is not the voice of reason for said cause.

 

[Pandabearparade]

And now I'm remembering how he flipped out and blamed everyone except the person who did it. That was ridiculous in addition to being inappropriate.
However I do not think it is a situation that can be compared, since Thunderf00t was promoting videos by somebody who was doing the exact same thing. If Anita is doing something like that I am unaware of it.

I have to concede that you're right about Thunderf00t handling the problem badly. I'm not defending him, just giving an example of another person trolled with the same or greater severity and not getting the fervent support of the Internet Bureau of White Knights.

Though I see what Thunderf00t did and what Anita is doing to be extremely similar. Thunderf00t gets trolled and blamed a youtube rival. Anita gets trolled and uses it to reinforce the feminist narrative and lump all who would argue with her into the same "ignorant misogynist" group.