For those of you hyped for MW3, I ask... why?

[Char-Nobyl]

Wait a second. "Four other games"? Modern Warfare (1), Modern Warfare 2 (2), and if you're really lax about counting titles in the series, Black Ops (3). That makes MW3, at absolute most, the fourth game, and more likely just the third game. You seem to think that it's the fifth, for some reason.

Again, where is this mysterious fifth game? Did I miss something? Was there a MW cellphone game that I'm not counting and you're not mentioning?

You seem to be forgetting World at War, bro. MW, WaW, MW2, BO, MW3. Infinity Ward and Treyarch seem to just be trading off development roles for every other installment.

How am I forgetting World At War? We're talking about Modern Warfare. At least that's the page I was on.

 

[JoesshittyOs]

Well, I found it to be too easy for me. I found no challenge in it unless I created one, which isn't something I should have to do

Than you are a demigod at videogames in which case no one is asking you.

There's no such thing as an "online video game" being too easy. You're either bullshitting yourself or you are playing with your little brother.

No, I'm better than you. It's not hard to be good at modern FPS. You must be one of those people that accuses the 4+:1 KDR people of hacking. I've been playing FPS for 10+ years, I'm going to be better than probably 90% of the people I play against. You sound mad that I find no challenge in a game that you obviously do.

I'm not one of those corner camping ***** players either, I can actually move and kill people. That's another reason I despise COD, and CS too. They have both been polluted with the corner camping ***** player. When I started playing FPS way back when, those people were kicked in seconds. There's no honor, or challenge, in corner camping.

The players that take the experience seriously focus on finding challenges and overcoming them, and honestly, COD has none. It's ironsight+laser to any guy I feel like killing. There's jackshit for recoil, there's no effort involved in target acquisition, the hitboxes are forgiving, and most of all, the maps are small, so you never have to really analyze an area for somebody, or be alert, because chances are somebody is always going to be running by on the screen for you to instagib effortlessly. Not to mention ironsights in themselves are a plague upon gaming. Static crosshairs for life.

Yeah, I might as well be a demigod of video games. I've been playing for so long that the only way I am challenged in an FPS is if I go back 10+ years to games where speed and reaction time trumped everything.

Jesus, you didn't need to give me your resume.

I was just pointing out what you said was rather narrow minded. Being good at an online multiplayer game where literally any idiot can play does not mean the game has any less challenge, it just means that you're better than them. Play gamebattles against good teams and then tell me a CoD game doesn't take any skill.

I fail to see how that manages to count as a "negative" to the game.

No, I'm not jealous that someone somewhere in the world managed to beat my 1.2 KD in a game I haven't touched for over two months, and the only people's KD I've ever checked were my friends.

And no, ironsights are not a plague on modern gaming. In fact, I'd go as far to say they are the reason why FPS has become the dominant genre in this generation. As a person who spent more of his life playing dated shooters like you, it's pretty apparent why you'd say that.

 

[TheLastSamurai14]

How am I forgetting World At War? We're talking about Modern Warfare. At least that's the page I was on.

You mentioned Black Ops when counting titles in the series that are extremely similar to each other. Black Ops isn't the same as Modern Warfare in regards to setting, (Cold War =/= modern) but the gameplay is much the same as Modern Warfare 2. Likewise, World at War is different from Modern Warfare in that it's a World War II game, but it borrows heavily from Modern Warfare.

What he was saying was that all four of those games are extremely similar when it comes to gameplay. I inferred by your post that you thought that he was only talking about Modern Warfare, Modern Warfare 2, and Black Ops, so I felt the need to correct you. That's basically it.

 

[Char-Nobyl]

How am I forgetting World At War? We're talking about Modern Warfare. At least that's the page I was on.

You mentioned Black Ops when counting titles in the series that are extremely similar to each other. Black Ops isn't the same as Modern Warfare in regards to setting, (Cold War =/= modern) but the gameplay is much the same as Modern Warfare 2. Likewise, World at War is different from Modern Warfare in that it's a World War II game, but it borrows heavily from Modern Warfare.

What he was saying was that all four of those games are extremely similar when it comes to gameplay. I inferred by your post that you thought that he was only talking about Modern Warfare, Modern Warfare 2, and Black Ops, so I felt the need to correct you. That's basically it.

I also outright said, several times, that I was being generous when including Black Ops in the count. I didn't consider it a MW game, but OP seemed to, so I humored him a bit. I only included it because it was the most recent in a chain of what OP considered to be disappointments following the first MW.

 

[Ryotknife]

CoD multiplayer has gone steadily downhill since the first MW game in my opinion.

Part of it is not being able to decide what you really want to play.

part of it is the massive scaling down of team sizes from MW1

im still not "excited" about MW3. in fact ive sworn it off altogether....until they announced their new mode. forget what its called, but basically once you kill an enemy you need to go over his corpse and collect his dogtags. finally a mode that gives people an incentive to NOT camp all day.

Sure, in MW1 you could still camp, but with teams twice as big as they are now, once your position is revealed from your first victim be prepared for a literal hail of grenads and flashbangs heading your way when his 4-5 nearby teammates show you their displeasure.

 

[Zeh Don]

Funny. I never see anyone ***** how Battlefield is the same game over and over again.

Yeah! I mean, Battlefield 1942, Battlefield 2, Battlefield 2142, Battlefield: Bad Company, Battlefield: Bad Company 2, and Battlefield 3 are all the same!

Sure, they have different weapons, maps, classes, objectives, online components, single player components, engines, audio and visuals - but if every other way they're the same!

[/sarcasm]

 

[brainslurper]

For me because despite all its issues its still genuinely a good quality game.

While yes the recent CoD games have been going downhill and its community is downright atrocious, the main gameplay itself have always been great, and while its short of a shame that it now plays like an action movie I still find it oddly entertaining.

I disagree. The COD games have been getting better. The thing is, when COD adds the ability to create your emblem, battlefield adds fighter jets.

 

[CthulhuMessiah]

Funny. I never see anyone ***** how Battlefield is the same game over and over again.

Yeah! I mean, Battlefield 1942, Battlefield 2, Battlefield 2142, Battlefield: Bad Company, Battlefield: Bad Company 2, and Battlefield 3 are all the same!

Sure, they have different weapons, maps, classes, objectives, online components, single player components, engines, audio and visuals - but if every other way they're the same!

[/sarcasm]

It's almost like *gasp* Call of Duty!

I can make the same arguments you did for BF, yet I'M the idiot and MY opinion is wrong.

 

[Wolfwind]

Community, mostly.

I mean, the game itself is fun, but I also know that it's one that most of my friends are going to be playing, which is going to make for some fun times. Personally, that goes a long way with me, because a lot of my friends prefer single player games. Also, most of them (and me too) are the types who don't stick with a single game for too long because there's a lot of quality stuff out there that also demands our time, and because a lot of the games I play that do have multiplayer are genres that the majority of my friends don't play much of (racing, fighting). This game is one that I know we're all going to be playing for a while.

Plus, and I might be in the minority here, I want to see what happens with Price and McTavish. I know the story was a throwaway in MW1 for some people, and I know that a lot of people hated what happened with it in MW2, but I personally enjoyed both campaigns. I'm interested in seeing how it ends.

 

[Goombanator]

Because its fun. Simple as that. The multiplayer is addictive, the new additions in terms of weapons and maps and new killstreaks are enough. Wih cod4 they found a great formula for fast paced arcade Online games, and they stuck with it. Adding anything radically new would ruin it by now, Making it a bigger more veichle focused game would completly ruin the experience, its why it can side side by side with battlefield and give different equally valid experiences. Ill play the crap out of MW3 and keep doing so. An engine update would be nice as its starting to look a little dated, but i doubt we will see that til the next gen consoles.

 

[JoesshittyOs]

You make it sound like -your- opinion matters. His opinion is as good as yours, and while I personally believe that FPS' has only gone downhill back from the first Counter-Strike. You try to make a point on that you sit and laugh at people saying an opinion, because you're one stuck-up ****, and we don't really need people like you, when all the man does is contribute in a certain way.

Ironsights have done nothing good for gaming. You can say it's visual aesthetics, but we honestly don't need pretty visuals, and if you dare call iron sighting realistic, then I suggest you piss off to a shooting range, and try it. Games have nothing to do with realism, and there's no point in trying to make it so.

I was thinking about plain just not saying anything back to this but this really caught my attention

You make it sound like -your- opinion matters. His opinion is as good as yours, and while I personally believe that FPS' has only gone downhill back from the first Counter-Strike. You try to make a point on that you sit and laugh at people saying an opinion

And then followed by this

You can say it's visual aesthetics, but we honestly don't need pretty visuals, and if you dare call iron sighting realistic, then I suggest you piss off to a shooting range, and try it. Games have nothing to do with realism, and there's no point in trying to make it so.

Way to completely contradict your own point by doing the exact same thing I did. Do you not appreciate the irony?

It really seems like you didn't read much into the conversation we are having, and if you did and actually agree with him, than you are like him. People like you who just completely condemn the way the industry in the way that you do by just saying "Everything sucks because it's new and things that are new scare me" really don't get a say anymore.

So once again, so I'll rephrase, people like you lost their right to having an opinion that affects the industry because people like you are the reason why the industry stagnates, like it is currently doing so now.

My opinion does matter, because people with my opinion are the reasons why games progress. Your opinion does not.

Not to mention that I'm not a "****". The guy was really getting on my nerves by acting like an elitist, so I took him down a peg or two, just like I'm doing now with you.

Edit: And I actually do shoot guns. Guess what? I don't shoot guns at people.

That is one of the more stupid counterarguments to people trying to downplay realism

 

[Aeonknight]

Funny. I never see anyone ***** how Battlefield is the same game over and over again.

Yeah! I mean, Battlefield 1942, Battlefield 2, Battlefield 2142, Battlefield: Bad Company, Battlefield: Bad Company 2, and Battlefield 3 are all the same!

Sure, they have different weapons, maps, classes, objectives, online components, single player components, engines, audio and visuals - but if every other way they're the same!

[/sarcasm]

It's almost like *gasp* Call of Duty!

I can make the same arguments you did for BF, yet I'M the idiot and MY opinion is wrong.

This. In so many ways.

 

[Sovvolf]

I'm not hyped up about it, probably not even buy it but I know my brother and cousin will and I'll play it over at theres and enjoy it. If your wandering the reason why? cause despite its negative downfalls, yeah its not fresh or original anymore, few added features and it is starting to stagnate but it is also, genuinely fun. Its something I enjoy playing, it often just a fast paced laugh riot.

I think the biggest plus for the game is the fact that you can play online split screen, which means I can pop over to my cousins house (like I do at least once a week) get a few bottles in and well go online and have some fun. Don't think there really needs to be much more explanation than that, I find it fun... so I enjoy it. Not really one for playing it at home alone though, I'd get bored of it fast and stick something else on. However if I've got a few mates next to me or (usually) my cousin having a game, time just fly's by and we enjoy ourselves kicking major arse online.

Though as said, I won't be buying the game cause I hardly see the point, I wouldn't play it on my own for much and my cousin as it and I go to his house weekly with my MU so I'll just play it there, my money is all for going towards getting Skyrim which is a game I can enjoy at home .

 

[Loonyyy]

Aren't all of these games in franchises similar? This one will continue the campaign, which some of us enjoy, and has significantly changed the way the game modes work. That's enough for some, in fact, most people. If you don't like the game, then that's that, but accusing those who do like it of being fanboys and buying the same game repeatedly is pointless. Personally, I like the look of the new stuff they've added in, but I'm dissapointed in the lack of ranked dedicated servers, or lean functionality. So whether I get it at full retail or wait for a sale is dependant on the length of the singleplayer.