Forced Evoloution.

[Marcus Dubious]

Boy that doesn't sound at all like eugenics... Actually, now that I think about it, didn't someone try using forced genetics to create the perfect race once before? I could've sworn someone had. Anyone besides me remember how it worked out in the end?

Yes, Not just Nazi Germany. Lots of countries including Britain and America forced eugenic tests and sterilisations on unwilling people.
It didn't work out well for any of them.
You'll be amazed at how many nations tried it.

 

[MrSnugglesworth]

That's not how evolution works.
Just because you trained someone and their kids to endure the cold, doesn't mean that they'd have more resistant children.
You'd have to only let the people with attributes naturally more resistant to the cold breed.

You have no idea what adapting is, do you?


It would take millions of years, but after a while if we lived in a very cold climate and never left, and our children did, and all of their children and so on, adaption would make it so the cold did not effect us as much.

 

[lizards]

genetic engineering is vastly more pratical being that it would take huge amounts of years to really do that

 

[lizards]

I had this same theory for the removal of AIDS, just let everyone fuck for about 5-10 generations and eventually everyone has AIDS, then somewhere down the line their children will have natural immunity and once all of the non-immune die, the human race won't have that particular problem anymore.

Yeh, I herd that if u giv evry1 cancers then they al become immune or somthing. Cos instead of dieing a horible death ther kids get immunities and they pass it on to ther kids.

Or just wait for medical science to come along with a much less lethal method of curing the disease.

I hate this kind of thread, people talking about a very complicated thing as if they know all the little details of it.

FAIL

so what have you added to the conversation?......nothing? then shut up

 

[lizards]

Yeh, I herd that if u giv evry1 cancers then they al become immune or somthing. Cos instead of dieing a horible death ther kids get immunities and they pass it on to ther kids.

Or just wait for medical science to come along with a much less lethal method of curing the disease.

I hate this kind of thread, people talking about a very complicated thing as if they know all the little details of it.

It would solve our overpopulation problem and potentially cure AIDS, a theory I back-up with a group of prostitutes found in Africa who were AIDS immune, oddly enough.

Also, cancer is a cell error, how would you pass that on to a child?

Your "sarcasm" isn't very good, by the way.

Oh God, did you just say the way to solve 'over-population' problem would be to slaughter most of the worlds population? By your forced breeding to create a super race and your ideas on 'over-population' I can see that your opinion is a little wacko.

Also, the cancer bit was a bit of a joke on your expense, just to check if you got it.

I am working on my sarcasm, give me a while.

ya its better that we shower everyone with donuts and money to solve overpopulation

 

[lizards]

I just had a theory on how we could force evoloution onto peopple that I though was actualy rather good.

It came to me as I was watching a programme about a man who trained in the cold to help him indure it better. I thought that if you got a group of people and put them and their offspring through the same training for generations they would eventually develop a natural resstance to the cold, which would be usefull for colonosation of other planets ( they would be rather cold places)

Back to the volcano-lair!

I don't like you at all. Focus on your spelling and maybe we can be friends? ^^ If you'd like that, that is D:

OT: I'd approve of it genetically. Though there would need to be limits.

Edit: I also know very little of the consequences of doing such a thing. But what the hell

Yeh, I herd that if u giv evry1 cancers then they al become immune or somthing. Cos instead of dieing a horible death ther kids get immunities and they pass it on to ther kids.

Or just wait for medical science to come along with a much less lethal method of curing the disease.

I hate this kind of thread, people talking about a very complicated thing as if they know all the little details of it.

It would solve our overpopulation problem and potentially cure AIDS, a theory I back-up with a group of prostitutes found in Africa who were AIDS immune, oddly enough.

Also, cancer is a cell error, how would you pass that on to a child?

Your "sarcasm" isn't very good, by the way.

Oh God, did you just say the way to solve 'over-population' problem would be to slaughter most of the worlds population? By your forced breeding to create a super race and your ideas on 'over-population' I can see that your opinion is a little wacko.

Also, the cancer bit was a bit of a joke on your expense, just to check if you got it.

I am working on my sarcasm, give me a while.

I thought your sarcasm was very good. You got me into believing you were serious while i read it. Ignore the guy who likes AIDs immune prostitutes!

(Then again, i think everyone would prefer that.)

BOOOOOOOOOOOOO if we killed grammar nazis that would help evolution right?

 

[Xanadu84]

That's not how evolution works.
Just because you trained someone and their kids to endure the cold, doesn't mean that they'd have more resistant children.
You'd have to only let the people with attributes naturally more resistant to the cold breed.

You have no idea what adapting is, do you?


It would take millions of years, but after a while if we lived in a very cold climate and never left, and our children did, and all of their children and so on, adaption would make it so the cold did not effect us as much.

You neglect to mention the fact that this would require both a closed population where everyone you are putting into the cold is only allowed to mate with each other, and that it would have to be cold enough that a sizeable percentage of the offspring die of exposure. If you could do that, then yeah, it would work. But that's a pretty giant if.

 

[Klarinette]

I just had a theory on how we could force evoloution onto peopple that I though was actualy rather good.

It came to me as I was watching a programme about a man who trained in the cold to help him indure it better. I thought that if you got a group of people and put them and their offspring through the same training for generations they would eventually develop a natural resstance to the cold, which would be usefull for colonosation of other planets ( they would be rather cold places)

Back to the volcano-lair!

Reminds me of how the Romans were trained to take pain and the cold and stuff. I think it's like domesticating animals; through many generations, it eventually becomes the normal for that species.

 

[MrSnugglesworth]

That's not how evolution works.
Just because you trained someone and their kids to endure the cold, doesn't mean that they'd have more resistant children.
You'd have to only let the people with attributes naturally more resistant to the cold breed.

You have no idea what adapting is, do you?


It would take millions of years, but after a while if we lived in a very cold climate and never left, and our children did, and all of their children and so on, adaption would make it so the cold did not effect us as much.

You neglect to mention the fact that this would require both a closed population where everyone you are putting into the cold is only allowed to mate with each other, and that it would have to be cold enough that a sizeable percentage of the offspring die of exposure. If you could do that, then yeah, it would work. But that's a pretty giant if.

Well yes. I'm not saying it would work perfectly, or its even smart.


I'm just saying that its possible.

 

[Marcus Dubious]

This thread is silly and has therefore been taken over by idiots.

 

[DAMG]

Forced evolution? No, that's an oxymoron. Genetic engineering? Maybe, sure, why not?

That's not how evolution works.
Just because you trained someone and their kids to endure the cold, doesn't mean that they'd have more resistant children.
You'd have to only let the people with attributes naturally more resistant to the cold breed.

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...are

...robots

You probably know this but fail to make it clear: "You'd have to only let the people with attributes naturally more resistant to the cold breed." - And this happens because those without said attributes die! That's how evolution works.

 

[RootbeerJello]

Maybe you should read more into how evolution works.

I know how evoloution works natural selection, millions of years and all that none-hilarious consequence making crap. But it would be a good idea for some astronauts to be more resitant to the cold, possibly through stem cell research and what-not.

But if we can perform stem-cell research then why are tossing some poor bastards into the Arctic? I'm sorry but I'm really lost and I'm probably interpreting it wrong.

 

[MajoraPersona]

You take the people with desired traits and have them breed with one another, regardless of their parentage.

Or you can take part of the superior being, graft it onto a similar organism, and continue so that all apples taste the same.

Ain't agricultural societal genetic advancements grand?

 

[Logic 0]

It's a great idea but what if they rebel?

 

[NeutralDrow]

Lamarck? Is that you?

Three pages and only one person mentioned Lamarck? I'm simultaneously proud of you and disappointed in everyone else.

Granted, there's a single justification for a Lamarckian strategy of training through generations...but it's still nothing to do with genetics. It's just that forcing a family to undergo the same task through generations will typically lead to them becoming really good at it, and culturally transmitting that skill to their offspring.

Speaking of, that "cultural evolution" is basically what humanity has been running off of for about 28,000 years. We haven't needed more than small scale physiological changes (nothing on the level of evolutionary species change), because social evolution works very, very well for us as Jacks-of-all-Trades.

 

[hansari]

Three pages and only one person mentioned Lamarck?

The average Escapist member must be sleeping through Biology...

 

[kotorfan04]

Your premise is flawed, here is a simplified version of what you are trying to say: If I cut the arms off two people and had them mate then obviously their children would be armless too.

No! Evolution doesn't work that way, and worst of all there was a thread just like this one which I went on a lengthy rant about just last night. So if you want to read about evolution use the internet, read Origin of Species, or read the Selfish Gene, (I know it is by Dawkins but it was back when his primary mission was to be a scientist, not spread the word about atheism) don't just come up with ideas about forcing evolution on people and then butchering the concept about as badly as saying that evolution moves in a set direction. So please a word of advice to anyone out there who wants to start a thread about evolution: Make sure you understand it otherwise all the bio majors will be angry and will summon C'thulu on you. Thank you for your time.

Oh and because I am really dedicated to the idea of procrastinating when I have a big ass Chinese project due tomorrow here is a quick synopsis of how evolution would work. You put people in room that is always 100 degrees, people start to live and work in that room, some get heat stroke, most are just flat out lathargic, and a few don't mind the heat. The latter group (Cold natured and hot natured people) At this point the people who don't mind the heat assimilate better and spend more time doing everyone's favorite activity: Screwing. They screw a lot and have babies, and pass on their heat resistant gene. But all this is predicated on the assumption that there are genes for hot and cold resistance and it isn't just something you learn to live with, and I really don't know that fact to speak decisively, but it seems probable that genes can have some influence to how well we adapt to certain types of temperature but this is just based off extremophiles and their environment, but even if we have a genetic disposition for doing better in the heat we can still survive in the cold thanks to that big four pound idea factory in our head that came up with the idea of a heater. Hooray!

 

[Yarkaz]

Force evolution on people? BeeeeOOOweeeeeOOOO! My hypocrisy detector is flying off the charts!

 

[quiet_samurai]

Training someone to be used to the cold is not the same as evolving or naturally adapting to cope with it better. All of those people would still have close to the same threshold for cold as other humans. It's kind of like saying you could take a group of body builders and isolate them off from society so they could produce massive body builder babies... It doesn't work like that. Going through rigorous training and altering your body to a certain state is not genetically passed on. The only selective results you see would be minor and not really that much different from other humans, also it would take a very very long time to even see the results at all.

You are cunfusing cultural evolution with physical evolution.

 

[Guitar Gamer]

Yeah but human rights gets in the way of things.

you just leave that to me...............
*evil laugh*