Former president trump indicted.

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Whatever, just wash your hands.
Are you also going to criticise that Trump spawn for her jewellery and shoes, the best ones of which were ripped off an Italian designer?

Mediocre scions of the rich trading off their family name isn't the real problem. The real problem is things like a president sticking much of his family in The White House occupying positions of governance for which they appear to have few, if any qualifications. It doesn't become okay just because he was obvious about it.

Let's face it, Trump's corruption and nepotism is staring us in the face. Trying to manufacture conspiracies about Hunter Biden as a retort is tantamount to admitting Trump wasn't, and still isn't, fit to hold office.
I think conservatives just really want Hunter Biden's cock but since they are conservative and wanting cock as much as they do is seen as bad, they don't know how to handle these desires. So they came up with all these charges as a way to get closer to Hunter Biden's cock.
 

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I think conservatives just really want Hunter Biden's cock but since they are conservative and wanting cock as much as they do is seen as bad, they don't know how to handle these desires. So they came up with all these charges as a way to get closer to Hunter Biden's cock.
Speaking strictly from a cis-het viewpoint, I don't see the draw. He's as white-bread and bland as they come.

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well, since the tweet is now unavailable, i'll just say that there is entirely too much focus on Trump given all the other news. Like for example 15 million people were thrown off medicaid this week, Israel is bombing Damascus for some number of days in a row, and of course there are train derailments like every single day.

But the fact that one criminal president out of the several that are still alive (which is to say all of them, even Jimmy Carter) has been indicted means our "democracy" is saved and "no one is above the law".
 
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It's less the nepotism angle more the sheer fuckery of it.
The joke being it was the LLs criticising Trump for nepotism but seem fine with it for Hunter.
You've got it backwards. Maga is not exposing hypocrisy, they're practicing it. Its they who cast something as the greatest sin they otherwise don't just accept but downright glorify. Its not clever teasing towards the left, its just a pathetic bit of projection. The right has no way to deny Trump us supremely corrupt and a frequent practitioner of nepotism. The left can easily dismiss the Hunter thing by pointing he's not the president, and that no matter how hard the Republicans try they don't seem to be proving a whole lot against Hunter.

Trump's nepotism was mostly filling government positions (which you'd want some-one you trust in and well plenty of people trust their families so it makes far more sense.

With the sort of corporate nepotism it very much seems like the company paying Hunter a big salary just to keep him employed and pay him well as a favour to Joe rather than because Hunter actually knows his stuff too or has much other reason to be there.
Giving people power in the White House, the most powerful administrative institution on the planet is a far, far bigger perk, and far, far more dangerous than allegedly giving someone a job in a company no one heard about that doesn't affect anyone. Even if we assume the worst about Hunter then Trump putting his kids in the White House is still far worse.

I'd be more fearful and concerned about corporate influence on politics than nepotism in putting people into positions in government personally.
What else was the Trump administration BUT corporate influence on politics? That was the whole game. An openly corrupt businessman running for president so he could enrich himself and his cronies. Part of why the Trump administration was so uniquely corrupt probably had to do with the business elites infesting the administration.
 

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Whatever, just wash your hands.
The full list of indictments has been released.

 
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So... the Clintons taking money for speaking engagements and Hunter Biden taking money for paintings from private entities are fine, whilst Trump appointing completely unqualified family members to government positions is unacceptable?
Are you also going to criticise that Trump spawn for her jewellery and shoes, the best ones of which were ripped off an Italian designer?

Mediocre scions of the rich trading off their family name isn't the real problem. The real problem is things like a president sticking much of his family in The White House occupying positions of governance for which they appear to have few, if any qualifications. It doesn't become okay just because he was obvious about it.

Let's face it, Trump's corruption and nepotism is staring us in the face. Trying to manufacture conspiracies about Hunter Biden as a retort is tantamount to admitting Trump wasn't, and still isn't, fit to hold office.
OK, hope you're sitting down.
I concede: Trump is not perfect.
Show me the man, I'll show you the crime. I think, and I've written this in this thread, you can find something to tie anyone to a crime. You create a totalitarian state when you then selectively prosecute. It's worse if the prosecutor gets "creative" which I think is what has happened here.
 

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OK, hope you're sitting down.
I concede: Trump is not perfect.
Show me the man, I'll show you the crime. I think, and I've written this in this thread, you can find something to tie anyone to a crime. You create a totalitarian state when you then selectively prosecute. It's worse if the prosecutor gets "creative" which I think is what has happened here.
Right, but then why the particular, vociferous objections to lesser crimes, while being unconcerned about greater ones?
 

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See, it's funny when he's talking about Hillary.

It's totally not funny when it's happening to Orange Jesus.

Something Something Hillary had a bunch of people killed something something It's a conspiracy that she's hasn't been arrested something something.
 
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"We can't prove it because she kills everyone who knows anything; just throw her in jail"
If Hillary did something criminal, bring out the evidence

If you think Hillary is so smart that she can hide bodies so well no one can name them, may I present the 2016 election. Benghazi. Or marrying Bill in the first place. She is not competent enough to run a department, let alone mass secret killings
 

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If Hillary did something criminal, bring out the evidence

If you think Hillary is so smart that she can hide bodies so well no one can name them, may I present the 2016 election. Benghazi. Or marrying Bill in the first place. She is not competent enough to run a department, let alone mass secret killings
I’d argue marrying Bill was a strategic move. The rest I got nothin’
 

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If Hillary did something criminal, bring out the evidence

If you think Hillary is so smart that she can hide bodies so well no one can name them, may I present the 2016 election. Benghazi. Or marrying Bill in the first place. She is not competent enough to run a department, let alone mass secret killings
I've been following the Hillary hate since the 1990's and by god it just never fucking ends. I have no love for her but some people it's a fucking burning obsession that I don't understand beyond she's a uppity woman or some such bullshit.

One can argue corrupt and sure, she's no doubt corrupt, but seemingly no more then average member of congress.

I honestly don't give a shit if Hillary goes to jail or not at this point. If she's guilty of something, indict her. If she's not, shut the hell up.
 
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OK, hope you're sitting down.
I concede: Trump is not perfect.
I believe you. You've already said so and I have no reason to think otherwise.

Show me the man, I'll show you the crime. I think, and I've written this in this thread, you can find something to tie anyone to a crime. You create a totalitarian state when you then selectively prosecute. It's worse if the prosecutor gets "creative" which I think is what has happened here.
Firstly, I'm all for tight scrutiny of public leaders. I agree with you that if we over-scrutinise anyone they will eventually do something wrong so there must be limits, but it is also likely some politicians are evading investigations and charges when they should not, just as anyone in power can be able to.

There are also reasonable standards. The Clintons for instance had Whitewater, but they were investigated multiple times, including by the partisan Ken Starr, and not even Starr thought there was a compelling case against them. I think we should accept that the law did its duty on that, and let it rest. Beyond that, there's not very much which appears to meet a significant legal problem: Bill was a sex pest, and Republicans might claim he committed abuse of power, although that's a bit nebulous.

We can look at a host of other presidents: Biden, GWB, Obama, etc. Irrespective of mistakes they may have made in office, do they have any significant histories of shady dealing? Well, no. That's the problem with the Hunter Biden stuff: after all that's already been looked at without any useful implication of Joe Biden's complicity in crime, and a lack of anything else worthwhile, is this not the sort of thing you're complaining about of constantly following people round trying to catch them doing something wrong?

But Trump... Trump doesn't have a clean record or even close. He had a massive history of deception, dishonesty and fraud before he even set foot in office, much of which is already shown in court. I accept the NY charges are thin, but there's a wider context that Trump has committed serial infidelity, repeatedly paid hush money, and has many credible accusations against him of sexual harassment and even sexual assault going back decades. If a person behaves like that, some of it is likely to bring trouble - in fact, we can argue he should have faced more legal peril before now. Likewise, he's on record asking a foreign leader to investigate his political opponents, and he's on record pressuring state officials to annul an election result without good justification, and he's on record calling a mob to Washington, asking them to march on the Capitol, and apparently doing nothing whilst they assaulted it. These are not small things, and a description of "not perfect" is a massive understatement to describe such a person. He's facing a lot more scrutiny and potential charges mostly because he's done a ton of stuff wrong, and I'm all for diligent investigation of it all.
 

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I think big part of the issue here is that the NY charges are coming far too late. Trump should have been charged at the same time as Cohen was, obviously if someone is guilty of doing something illegal because he was asked to by his boss, then his boss is guilty too. This does make the charge feel politically motivated since they just so happen to fall right before the GOP primary starts. But the things is that Trump running is by far the best case scenario for Democrat, election wise. Trump is a terrible candidate for 2024, he's already lost, most people are sick and tired of him and his time in office isn't exactly fondly remembered and he since tried to deposit elected official because they wouldn't declare him king, or w/e he was thinking. Having his name on the ballot will bring out people to vote against him just to avoid having to deal with him again and will keep some of the GOP at home that would almost certainly come out for DeSanti or someone else.

Part of this is also because Trump should have been in jail loooooooooooooong ago, for far worse crime. The minute tape were release of him asking for vote to be found, he should have been in jail forever. This isn't some strange political reasoning, this is obvious. So just like Al Capone was technically put under for tax stuff but most people were happy because he was a criminal with far worse stuff to his name, there's very sympathy for Trump. If someone other than Trump, without a long list of far worse crime to his name, was in this situation, I think calling the trial a shame would have made some sense. But has is, nah, guy belong in jail for so many things and only was kept out of it for political reason. If what it take for him to be where he belong is some hush money against election law, then fine, w/e.
 

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But the things is that Trump running is by far the best case scenario for Democrat, election wise.
They thought that the first time he run (or so goes the narrative, not sure how true that actually is).

It does allow Biden to be massively corrupt and ineffective and be seen as the lesser evil, though.
 

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They thought that the first time he run (or so goes the narrative, not sure how true that actually is).

It does allow Biden to be massively corrupt and ineffective and be seen as the lesser evil, though.
It's not clear that Hillary would have done any better against any other candidate. It's important to remember she did handily beat him in popular vote, its shocking how few people would need to move just one state over for things to go different. There's also a lot of people that didn't vote because he was seen as so weak and every poll showed Hillary easily winning, but that wouldn't happen again.

As far as Biden. There's really no sign of particular corruption with him, when the best that opponent can come up with is "his son works for a small company in another country that doesn't really have anything to do with the government" its generally a pretty good sign that there's nothing there. As far as effective, he passed some really massive bill with his green focus, you can argue about whether they spend the money at the right place and such, but he hasn't sat on his ass doing nothing, especially considering he never really held the senate.
 

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They thought that the first time he run (or so goes the narrative, not sure how true that actually is).
That's true, but we should also remember that if we're judging by midterm results, Trump's popularity has waned significantly since then.

Plus, this time we'd get the spectacle of Trump and DeSantis, with their respective vociferous cults and mutual hatred of one another, tearing eachother apart in the Primaries.