It's the (right wing) American Way!!uguito-93 said:Really? Really? Are Fox news just extremist conservative idiots just for the sake of being extremist conservative idiots?
It is.LittleMikey said:I'm glad i'm not American, having to actually put up with something like that on TV would be horrible :/
Oh, they do. For every dumb thing Fox says, there is an irritatingly large group of people who accept it as fact.Zefar said:It would be worse if some Fox news fans actually agrees with Fox news on this.
When I saw this I almost died from laughing, well played.Daveman said:Fucking hell Fox News... you hate GTA because apparently kids will all become murderers and next you hate on the friendly games that encourage you to be nice?
BREAKING NEWS: Monopoly makes kids more ruthless property developers and Scrabble is un-American because "Quran" scores better than "Bible".
If you were to beat a woman, but were still a good person and a decent guy(hell, lets just say that it was Hank Pym-like circumstances), would it be fair for me to call you a woman-beater and a horrible human being based on that single action?Kinguendo said:But... thats not what we are saying. We are saying this stupidity is just one more example of the entirety of FOX "news"' bullshit.SickBritKid said:Meh, this is Fox & Friends. They tend more toward the extreme side of the conservative scale.
I'm a fan of Fox News and I despise Fox & Friends. But anyone who judges all of FNC's programming just based on Fox News is spreading their own misinformation...
And... wait. Anyone who judges all of FOX "news" Channels programming based on... FOX "news"?
So, anyone who bases their opinion of me just based on my actions are not being fair? That seems... not quite right.
EDIT But then what do I know, I am just one of those silly Liberals spreading my agenda by being nice.
Its just not true... the accurate metaphor for FOX "news" is if a person does something decent ONCE in between beating his wife, does that make him a decent person? You are pretending Fox & Friends is the only example of bias and blatant misinformation, O'Reilly Factor, Hannity, Megyn Kelly, just to name a few.SickBritKid said:If you were to beat a woman, but were still a good person and a decent guy(hell, lets just say that it was Hank Pym-like circumstances), would it be fair for me to call you a woman-beater and a horrible human being based on that single action?
Fox & Friends represents one of the more hard-right to far-right arms of Fox News, like Sean Hannity or Neil Cavuto. However, there are PLENTY of center-right and even center-left voices on the channel that provide great dialogue and discourse on the channel and disregarding them just because Fox & Friends is full of shit is just plain bullshit.
That said, I'm not defending F&F in any way, shape, or form. I despise them just as much as you guys do, if not more(because they misrepresent my side of the aisle).
You're right, but I think it's a little misguided to say that your point absolves Fox News, or even that people are wrong when they say Fox News lies. Even if all of the lies on the station are made by guests and opinion hosts, Fox News (the station) is still the one giving those people a voice, and they are quite manipulative about how they present the difference between fact and opinion. That's the problem.Clonekiller said:For the record, I don't watch any of the shows on Fox News that aren't news shows. They are lopsided and don't report anything accurately. If someone relies on an opinion show for news, (Bill O'Reilly, Chris Mathews or John Stewart) they are a fool. Opinion shows have never reported accurate news.
Interesting attempt to deflect the original point though. I ask for solid proof that Fox News lies, and I get I huge tirade about how obviously stupid and bigoted I am. Guess what? Despite the fact that the internet is massive beyond all reason, I have yet to receive any convincing evidence that shows blatant lies and hate speech from Fox. Instead, I get video links to opinion shows that are in direct competition to most of the stuff on Fox. Since that seems to be all that anyone can manage to muster, I must assume that people hate on Fox News because their chosen form of media TOLD them to. PROVE ME WRONG.
P.S. Bigotry is when someone creates a category that they put people into without getting to know them. Example, assuming all conservatives are gun-totin, bible-banging, f150-drivin morons is about at bigoted as you can get without referencing skin color. And when someone comes along to challenge that belief, like me, you attempt to cram them into that category, regardless of their personal beliefs and arguments. And when someone points that out, the inevitable response is to launch personal attacks.
P.P.S. On a typical week day, Fox News broadcasts about 8 hours of opinion shows. As a 24 hour network, the other 16 hours are devoted to news shows. I seem to recall "lions share" meaning vast majority.
By that logic, you shouldn't watch CNN, CBS, and most certainly MSNBC. Spin happens on every news network on TV. Saying Fox News is "the only one" or "the biggest offender" is quite incorrect. I have personally seen more lopsided arguments come from CNN and MSNBC than Fox. (Obviously I'm not watching the networks at all hours of the day, but I have seen more evidence of bias, spin, and assumptive language come from CBS and MSNBC) People typically overlook any kind of spin on the network they prefer since usually it's spin they agree with. Conservatives tend to view Fox as the god of networks, while liberals either love CNN or MSNBC, depending on their devotion to their political beliefs. Point being, quit calling out Fox as "a conservative propaganda machine" when it is simply not true. (As stated before, prove me wrong) They spin just like everyone else, just in a different direction. The real question is, how dizzying in the spin, and from what I've seen, Fox's spin is certainly not the worst.boholikeu said:You're right, but I think it's a little misguided to say that your point absolves Fox News, or even that people are wrong when they say Fox News lies. Even if all of the lies on the station are made by guests and opinion hosts, Fox News (the station) is still the one giving those people a voice, and they are quite manipulative about how they present the difference between fact and opinion. That's the problem.
I don't know if you've ever taken a mass communications or journalism class on bias, but Fox News is essentially a textbook example of how to portray opinion or flat out lies as fact without the station itself (IE its reporters) stating something that isn't true. And this isn't even taking into account the allegations that the station actually coaches some of its guest "experts" into making some of the crazy claims that they do.
So yes, while you're right that Fox's reporter have never actually lied on screen, that doesn't mean that the network as whole isn't extremely sneaky and underhanded about how they portray world events. You seem to acknowledge this yourself in your earlier posts. Why anyone would continue to watch the network (even if it is just their news programs) despite all that is beyond me.
er, yes actually. the same with most political factions actually. which is why most governments are completely useless, the politicians are more interested in making sure they stay in power and disagree with the other side so their own team will continue to support them than actually serving the people and making sure the country is working as best it can despite that being what they are supposedly paid (and paid mighty fucking handsomely even though most of them are loaded before they even get into politics) to do.uguito-93 said:Really? Really? Are Fox news just extremist conservative idiots just for the sake of being extremist conservative idiots?
except fox news is more like your typical wife-beater to carry on your metaphor. it presents something approaching factual news (with a conservative lean but hey thats fair enough), i.e. tries to make up for smacking the lady around with good behaviour, claims to be fair and balanced etc, i.e. promises to stop beating her, then gets drunk, i.e. on the attention it gets from borderline facist idiots and lefties complaining about it for being the racist retard clown of the news industry, and throws out a load of deliberately unresearched opinion bullshit and ludicrous 'interview' shouting matches , i.e. goes home and pops his wife in the face.SickBritKid said:If you were to beat a woman, but were still a good person and a decent guy(hell, lets just say that it was Hank Pym-like circumstances), would it be fair for me to call you a woman-beater and a horrible human being based on that single action?
Fox & Friends represents one of the more hard-right to far-right arms of Fox News, like Sean Hannity or Neil Cavuto. However, there are PLENTY of center-right and even center-left voices on the channel that provide great dialogue and discourse on the channel and disregarding them just because Fox & Friends is full of shit is just plain bullshit.
That said, I'm not defending F&F in any way, shape, or form. I despise them just as much as you guys do, if not more(because they misrepresent my side of the aisle).
O'Reilly hosts a good, strong, fair debate on his show every night. He often plays Devil's Advocate for either side of the aisle so long as he doesn't wind up having to interview idiots and loons from either side. He's given Ron Paul, Michelle Bachmann, and even Sarah Palin the what-for whenever they've tried filibustering and bloviating on his show. So his ire is not entirely served to the Left. Note that I'm talking about the more mature O'Reilly of post-2008, not the old Republican firebrand he was during the Bush years.Kinguendo said:Its just not true... the accurate metaphor for FOX "news" is if a person does something decent ONCE in between beating his wife, does that make him a decent person? You are pretending Fox & Friends is the only example of bias and blatant misinformation, O'Reilly Factor, Hannity, Megyn Kelly, just to name a few.SickBritKid said:If you were to beat a woman, but were still a good person and a decent guy(hell, lets just say that it was Hank Pym-like circumstances), would it be fair for me to call you a woman-beater and a horrible human being based on that single action?
Fox & Friends represents one of the more hard-right to far-right arms of Fox News, like Sean Hannity or Neil Cavuto. However, there are PLENTY of center-right and even center-left voices on the channel that provide great dialogue and discourse on the channel and disregarding them just because Fox & Friends is full of shit is just plain bullshit.
That said, I'm not defending F&F in any way, shape, or form. I despise them just as much as you guys do, if not more(because they misrepresent my side of the aisle).
I dont know of a single center-left person on FOX... who is that person?
And lets not forget the memos that keep on getting leaking from FOX telling them to misrepresent information and outright lie.
I also find it odd that its called "FOX News Channel" yet the amount of opinion programming far outweights the actual news programming.
Its just the propoganda tool for the Republican/Tea party.
I understand this is a later post and I might as well be beating a dead horse, but most the reason wind and solar is expensive is because we haven't set it up yet. We know how to make it, we do have some already, but in order to transfer to these resources, it will cost a few pretty coins. However once we set up, those expenses will fall and will most likely be cheaper in the long run.Callate said:Fox News: single-handedly justifying my failure to subscribe to cable.
I'd love to hear their explanation of how solar and wind power are less clean than nuclear. Yes, there's a certain level of unwarranted fear surrounding nuclear power, and no, wind and solar aren't without their costs, particularly to the spaces they must occupy to generate electricity. But nuclear waste isn't exactly something you can trivialize.
Perhaps I wasn't clear, but when I referred to the "costs" of nuclear power vs. solar and wind power, I was referring, vis-a-vis the Fox News report, to the environmental costs of such projects, not the financial ones. Not to say the financial aspects aren't worth consideration, it's just that that wasn't the angle of Fox News' attack.NoOne852 said:I understand this is a later post and I might as well be beating a dead horse, but most the reason wind and solar is expensive is because we haven't set it up yet. We know how to make it, we do have some already, but in order to transfer to these resources, it will cost a few pretty coins. However once we set up, those expenses will fall and will most likely be cheaper in the long run.