Frauds Plague Steam's Greenlight
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Hmmm, so Yahtzees opinion is objectively incorrect? He was talking about FPS games, not dungeon crawlers, now THAT is not relevant here.Scow2 said:
Come on, you're not new to Escapist, you know how almost every other week another thread starts by someone like "Soap360" asking what's so important about Half life 2 complaining that it doesn't have a "good multiplayer" or even aim-down sights mechanic. Mods tend to lock or delete them though. You can't deny COD's huge popularity or how often the foul-mouthed community has been dismissive of Half Life series. It's a safe bet.
"intellectually inferior and incapable of thinking for themselves"
Lol nope. Re-read/read-for-the-fist-time my WHOLE post. No skimming.
That's XKCD comic is completely irrelevant, and I find it pretty disingenuous that you try to associate it.
Okay, this thing turned out waaaay different than what I thought it was going to be.
I thought it would be complete or nearly-complete games that Valve was considering adding to their catalogue already that users could prioritize for them. Not something where any jerk could post anything they wanted.
Bottom line, I'm with those people who are saying they want to see finished games only on the list, and not have it be just another version of kickstarter.
I thought it would be complete or nearly-complete games that Valve was considering adding to their catalogue already that users could prioritize for them. Not something where any jerk could post anything they wanted.
Bottom line, I'm with those people who are saying they want to see finished games only on the list, and not have it be just another version of kickstarter.
Hmmm, so Yahtzees opinion is objectively incorrect? He was talking about FPS games, not dungeon crawlers, now THAT is not relevant here.Scow2 said:
Come on, you're not new to Escapist, you know how almost every other week another thread starts by someone like "Soap360" asking what's so important about Half life 2 complaining that it doesn't have a "good multiplayer" or even aim-down sights mechanic. Mods tend to lock or delete them though. You can't deny COD's huge popularity or how often the foul-mouthed community has been dismissive of Half Life series. It's a safe bet.
"intellectually inferior and incapable of thinking for themselves"
Lol nope. Re-read/read-for-the-fist-time my WHOLE post. No skimming.
That's XKCD comic is completely irrelevant, and I find it pretty disingenuous that you try to associate it.
8 years since a proper numbered Iteration, 5 since an expansion pack. I wasn't deceptive, I spelled it out: "5 (years) since Episode 2".Woodsey said:
The wait from release of Half Life 1 to release of Half life 2 was 6 years (not including Blue Shift or Opposing Force) and there was news about Half Life 2 several years before it came out. Half Life 2 was revealed at E3 in May 2003, 4 and a half years since Half Life 1 released, and less than 2 years since the latest expansion (Half Life Blue Shift) came out.
5 years alone is long enough to wait for a final expansion promised and increasingly clear that a full numbered sequel is due, or at least some solid news of where this series left on a cliffhanger is going.
What part of this don't you understand? Why do I have to spell this out?
Halo fans complained enough about waiting 3 years from Halo 2 to Halo 3, after the previous entry ended on (kind of) a cliffhanger and they got news of Halo 3 promptly with a timetable for release.
I saw a couple interesting, and real, looking games on the first couple of pages of greenlight so it's a shame that so much shit is obscuring the gold...
Because the episodes weren't expansion packs, they were direct episodic sequels designed to continue the series, not supplement it. The original plan was that the episodes take the place of a full-blown game, not exist along-side one.Treblaine said:
It's a 5 year wait, not 8.
Episodic content is a TYPE OF expansion pack.Woodsey said:
They weren't sequels as they were called "Half Life 2: episode 2"
It's been well established since 1998 that an expansion pack is still an expansion pack even if it stands alone.
Either way less than 2 years wait between Half Life Blue Shift and the announcement with details of Half Life 2.
Which is great, except: "The original plan was that the episodes take the place of a full-blown game, not exist along-side one."Treblaine said:
The entire idea was that they released episodic sequels so that people don't spend forever waiting for the resolution to a cliff-hanger, and so they could maintain a shorter but more consistent momentum with the story. Obviously that didn't go exactly as planned, but you've not been waiting 8 years to find out what happens after Half-Life 2, you've been waiting 5 years to find out what happens after Episode 2.
Point being, you're being disingenuous about the wait and using it to justify an, "oooh, they us owe right this second" demand.
Well that may HAVE (past tense) been the plan but they obviously abandoned that plan long before Episode 2 was even released.Woodsey said:
If the plan was episodic sequels for the continuing future, why did they keep the "Half Life 2" part of the title so prominently? This "episodes for all future Half Life instalment" was a pipe dream that was not followed in practice... clearly.
"so that people don't spend forever waiting for the resolution to a cliff-hanger"
Well there has NOT been a speedy resolution to the cliffhanger ending of Half Life 2 Episode 2, it's been 5 years and we have heard NOTHING! It's not that I want the game released... I JUST WANT TO BE TOLD SOMETHING OFFICIAL! Give us an idea how much longer to wait.
I'm not being disingenuous, I have made it ball achingly clear that I jsut want to be informed and yet you are acting like my demand is (with inappropriate use of quotation marks as I I said ANYTHING like this):
"oooh, they us owe right this second"
Lets be clear, I have not been disingenous as I SPELLED THIS OUT IN THE ORIGINAL POST!
It has been 8 years since a MAJOR INSTALLANT, but it has been 5 years since WE HAVE HEARD ANYTHING. It's not so much a problem that no game has been released, the problem is the lack of communication, lack of any kind of timetable. Valve should tell us SOMETHING about what they even hope to achieve in the next few years with the Half Life universe.
NOTE: please don't mistake Caps-Locks for "yelling". It is not yelling. Look in any legal document and you'll see whole paragraphs in block capitals as even lawyers resort to using block capitals so you ACTUALLY READ what is posted, rather than skim over it or misunderstand key parts. Like how I asked for communication, not demand an immediate release.
There's no need to yell.Treblaine said:
And perhaps because it deals with the same characters and pertains to the same location as HL2, doesn't make it an expansion pack. Anyway, this is becoming a rather long conversation just to establish that the last instalment was 5 years ago and that counting from HL2 is pretty arbitrary.
IWoodsey said:
Just
Explained...
That using caps-lock was absolutely not in any way yelling.
How is it not an expansion pack because it's involving the same characters and location?!?! Half Life 2 was considered a proper sequel as it had so many new characters and a totally different location and premise.
The HL2 Episodes literally EXPANDED on the events around City 17.
Establish?!!? I established in my VERY FIRST POST on this forum that the last HL2 entry was 5 years ago?!?! You haven't established anything, you have claimed I said things that I did not say. Here is what I said:
Treblaine said:
Greenlight is just Valve showing the community the amount of crap they usually have to sort through by themselves.
Pretty genius move methinks. XD
What I don't get is why there aren't more categories. I mean...why are there fully developed games right next to "simple" mods? When I say simple, I don't mean to diminish the worth of the work on these mods, but I just think the two shouldn't necessarily be compared.
Why is there no different section for games already launched and being sold as opposed to games currently in production?
Lots of questions here, but eh. Let Valve sort it out I say.
Pretty genius move methinks. XD
What I don't get is why there aren't more categories. I mean...why are there fully developed games right next to "simple" mods? When I say simple, I don't mean to diminish the worth of the work on these mods, but I just think the two shouldn't necessarily be compared.
Why is there no different section for games already launched and being sold as opposed to games currently in production?
Lots of questions here, but eh. Let Valve sort it out I say.
Ahem:Treblaine said:
And as I'm sure we've now established through this terrifically long and engaging conversation, there's not been an 8 year wait.Treblaine said:
They're episodic sequels. Expansion packs and full sequels aren't the only options. There's no point acting as if we've been waiting 8 years since HL2 if we already know what happens after HL2. Not to mention, expansion packs are non-vital to understanding.
I doubt that skipping the Episodes is going to do you many favours if you play HL3 straight after HL2.
You are BLATANTLY ignoring the "5 since Episode" is "5 years wait since episode 2" which is not helpful.Woodsey said:
I'm not acting like I've been waiting 8 years since ANY Half Life game, I am saying 8 years since the MAJOR iteration, 5 since ANY instalment.
HL2 Episodes function like the Expansion packs of HL1 (Opposing Force and Blue Shift), they are extras around the same events but no compensation.
Imagine if we didn't get ANY NEWS AT ALL about Half Life 2 even in 2006, that's 8 years after Half Life 1. That's the situation right now after Half Life to and the Episodic expansion packs.
And yes, Half Life 2 Episode 1 and Episode 2 are both expansion packs.
It's totally relevant... because it was what I said.Woodsey said:
You can't argue with what I actually said, only what you misrespresent that I said.
It HAS been 8 years since a major instalment (Half Life 1, Half Life 2, half Life 3) and I said this.
It HAS been 5 years since any smaller instalment like an episodic expansion pack, and I said this!