From Software is Having Trouble Porting Dark Souls

[Chairman Miaow]

Swallow your pride and get help guys

Swallow your pride and throw your money away?

Why does it matter that it's got the same bugs as the console version? That was never that buggy. They are doing the best they can, they can't afford to spend a lot of time or money on this, and we should just be grateful they are doing it at all.

 

[Chairman Miaow]

So instead of doing the right thing and fixing these problems through experimentation and taking the time to learn everything they can about how to port, they're just going to cram it in and hope we're going to praise them for making a game we can barely play?

I was supporting them until they decided to skip the actual porting and just cut straight to "how to make it work on PC for dummies: for dummies."

If I ever did that kind of stuff in a paper, my English teacher would have thrown it out of his office.

People demanded a port. They have been honest and said they don't really know what they are doing. They could have just kept tight lipped and distracted people with free extra content. From are a great company, but they are only small, they can't afford to spend too much time or money on this, and they probably won't even make a lot of money on it. It's most likely just because people asked for it, and it would be a good way to test the waters for future releases. And they said that the original bugs will be there, not that it will be an unplayable pile of shit as you are automatically assuming it will be.

 

[Lunar Templar]

Yes they're inexperienced but at least they're trying. While we're on the topic of bugs and glitches, how's Skyrim and Fallout: New Vegas treating you?

lmao, i love you for this :3

OT: they admitted it'll be buggy, takes stones to admit your work will be flawed on release, unlike SOME company's RPGs that constantly come out buggy and unplayable in some cases, and never say a word about it.

so I'll still get it, finances willing.

Thank you, but the thing that really gets me is that From Software is really untested. They're small, usually ho themselves out to producers, and have never done a PC port but are trying their best. Bethesda on the other hand is like a drunken inbred fuckwit who people absolutely love. Their products may be unplayable, crash often, and corrupt your save data but damn they're great. THIS IS WHAT I DON"T GET! An untested developer got enough signatures and so they're trying, but the moment they admit problems people are ready to burn them to the ground; no 60 FPS = no sale and tons of other bullshit. Meanwhile the people probably bought the newest Bethesda title on launch day. Burn the new guy who hasn't even released a product while praising the fat inbred slob who can't fix stuff without fucking something else up.

yeah :/ i don't get the love for Bethesda ether, for pretty much all the reasons you mentioned (and a few you didn't). between the game breaking and not so game breaking bugs, and boring everything else it confounds me their still around, or at the very least not getting flamed like they should be.

ether way, I'm willing to give From Software the benefit of the doubt, they admitted it's harder then they though, they admitted it'll have issues, they are being HONEST about they're work. this gets lots of 'good will points' in my book.

 

[Woodsey]

Why not delay it or bring in outside team who are experienced with porting? The extra cost will be made up for in good will on subsequent releases.

 

[RedEyesBlackGamer]

ITT: Whining, entitled PC elitists being whiny and entitled, as usual.

are you drunk or have you simply not thought about it?
for example
if you buy a chair and that chair is broken or somewhat unusable or sometimes even if it has only scratches you return it and get your money back. you ARE entitled to a functioning product for you money it's even set in laws of many countries

WHY should that not be the same for software?

you are entitled to a working product doing for what it was intended if the game crashes often it's broken. yeah you CAN play it for a while but that is irrelevant, compare it to a car if a car crashes every few kilometers or miles it's most definitely BROKEN!!!

the fact that console gamers don't enforce stuff like working games at not stuttering framerates is just their leniency that does not mean they don't have the right to it.

and it also does not mean they have the right to expect acceptance for these flaws everywhere


PS: it's not elitist it's called common sense

The game is fine. The framerate only dropped in one area a little bit anyway. The game's flaws are being greatly exaggerated because people are panicking. I don't see how console players have lax standards. Bethesda is welcomed by all communities, after all.

 

[Terramax]

That's not a good decision on their part. PC gamers can be VERY picky about performance (I should know, that's how I am) and are not going to be happy with a poorly-ported game that has issues, whatever the game's pedigree.

People are overexaggering (shame on you escapist). None of the so called 'bugs' are game breaking. At least not from what I've seen, and I've sunk a fair few hours into the game.

Sure, there's frame rate issues SOMETIMES but nothing that breaks the game.

Also, From Software are not a heavy weight company. Most of their games are very niche. Anyone expecting a perfect port is just stupid.

 

[Rabid Toilet]

In some areas, the frame rates took a dramatic dive. For instance, the much maligned Blighttown would drop to the single digits. That area had so much going on though, I think it won't be bad on the PC. It was a massive indoor area lit almost exclusively by torches. It had a massive pool of red swamp water at the bottom. You descended to the bottoms over a massive series of wooden scaffolding. And you could see just about everything. In all honestly, it was way way way beyond anything the consoles were built to handle. I think that area will turn out much better on the PC. Or at least, I hope it will.

sounds good enough to me

Also, keep in mind that he's exaggerating when he says the frame rate drops to single digits. Blight Town would get to more like 20 fps. A noticable dip, sure, but still more than playable.

 

[Freyar]

I'll still support them here. Outside of Ninja Blade, this is their first in-house port that people actually wanted. I'll be damned if I don't do my part to help show that poll wasn't a joke.

Yes, the port may not be as spectacular as we'd hoped, but the important thing is that they're taking a look at PC development in the first place. We as PC gamers need to pick and choose our battles here. We got a huge win when Namco greenlit the project, now we needto see it done and support it. Anyone who expected FS to have a masterfully done port on their first try was delusional. They lacked experience, time, and money to do anything meaningful. (Time and money is more of an issue on Namco's side.)

From Software has a lot of talent, and I'd like to see some of that talent on the PC. Bashing Dark Souls because it isn't "better" is counter to that goal.

 

[Kerboom]

Oh, this is going to be fun.

First, people complain and whine until it gets released on PC.

Then, people complain and whine because it's buggy, because From Software are console devs, not PC devs.

Dear PC gamers,

Stop being so entitled.

You're not the master race.

Get over yourselves.

Regards,

Everyone.

 

[neonsword13-ops]

Can't wait to see elitists complain about it being "Over hyped" and "not a real RPG".

What's even better is that it's a DIRECT PORT of the console version, so there is going to be a lot of complaining about it being "streamlined" and all that nonsense.

Anyway, if anyone needs me, I'll be in the bunker waiting for the shit-storm. Call me when it's release day.

 

[antipunt]

I'm not getting a super negative vibe here.

This sucks monkey balls, but at least they're being upfront about it

 

[Freyar]

Oh, this is going to be fun.

First, people complain and whine until it gets released on PC.

Then, people complain and whine because it's buggy, because From Software are console devs, not PC devs.

Dear PC gamers,

Stop being so entitled.

You're not the master race.

Get over yourselves.

Regards,

Everyone.

Dear Poster,

You seem to be generalizing here. Please consider the whole of the community, not just the loudmouths.

Regards,
PC Player

 

[Alexnader]

While it does suck, I'll still be getting it because, as FROM admitted, they're new to this stuff.

They're a Japanese developer that has never developed for PC before. I doubt that, should they make a PC version for their next Souls game, there will be nearly as many issues as this time around.

We'll have to see, eh? Besides, if it's anything like Skyrim, mods will fix most of the issues pretty quickly.

I'm not sure how easy it'll be to mod a game that uses GFWL, honestly it sounds like something GFWL would have a hissy fit over. Still, perhaps I'll purchase the game, download a cracked version and install any optimisations people have made.

PC Gamers: "We're tired of getting the shitty ports. But let's ***** at developers to get them anyway."
Developers: "Okay, here comes game that you all wanted. Due to us being a mainly console creator we have little experience in porting for PC. There may be some bugs."
PC Gamers: "Fuck you, you suck. We're tired of getting the shitty version."

Did you guys want the game or not? When consoles get a port of a PC game we always get the dumbed down shitty version too. STFU please.

That's a nice strawman you got there. I for one will still be buying the game for my precious PC despite the fact I'll likely get my arse handed to me by Games For Windows Live and the quite possibly shitty performance.

*Captcha: never give up

 

[Evil Smurf]

Well, uh... at least they're being honest about it?

Honesty is always good

 

[tzimize]

Hard time finishing Dark Souls? Welcome to the club!

Hahahaha ^^

Very nice.

OT: Huh. Well, after simply being beat by Demons Souls...I just cant muster up a lot of care. There is simply not enough time in the day for dying that much.

 

[Adam Jensen_v1legacy]

At least they're honest about it. Anyone else would tell you how PC version will be the uber version running at 100 fps with super high res textures and all the other goodies. Of course that is almost always a fuckin' lie. I'm still gonna get this.

 

[DrunkOnEstus]

My handle and avatar compel me to have a say on this thread. I have a computer that should handle this game reasonably (Dual Core AMD, 8800 GTX) and will be picking it up day one. Either way, I'm one of those weird people who would probably buy it day one anyway just to support From and more games like DS existing in the future if my computer would only allow it to take the screenshots being rendered. I have a feeling it won't be long before modders and the like have tools, mods, programs, and INI tweaks that pick up a lot of the slack From might be unable to. "Oldblivion" to make Oblivion run well on pretty ancient hardware comes to mind.

I feel I need to make something clear, I love Demon's/Dark souls so damn much that I liquidated a MAJOR percentage of my collection due to the bar being suddenly raised absurdly high thanks to that pair. I looked over many of the games I owned and realized I would get more immersion, fun, and satisfaction from another NG+ or making my own challenges (daggers only, no enchantments, etc.) then replaying many of the games I saw.

If some of you folks only play on the PC and haven't gotten to play this game, you owe it to yourself to try if you have any love for old school RPGs, dungeon crawling, or a truly realistic take on swordplay or how some of these battles would physically take place.

From does have a very minor history working on the PC, but the landscape was FAR different back then and many of those same people might not be with From anyway. They worked on a mainly PS1 series called King's Field (supposedly the spiritual predecessor to Demon's and another set of damn fine games if you have the patience), and released a "version" in Japan only for the PC that gave you the tools to essentially make your own King's Field game. Someone made an English patch for it if you happen to have an even deeper esoteric love and level of patience/artistic ability than I.

Side note: I don't think anyone appreciates a user/users of a certain platform being talked to/about like they're part of some hivemind monolithic entity. I game mainly on the PC, and I've never once called someone who didn't "retarded" or "technologically inept" or claimed to have some superiority over them. Generalizations aren't fun, and make real discussion difficult. Sorry in advance about the giant wall of text.

 

[Dresos]

I really hope this game does well, I never signed any petitions because I were happy playing it on console. Now I just hope that PC gamers put will their money were their mouths have been all this time.

 

[Calcium]

I hope the port does sell well, otherwise the devs will have wasted time and money trying to please their consumers... and that would likely mean that they'd just ignore what their fans want in the future.

It's also commendnable that they are admitting the flaws, and wise that they're actually giving the port free dlc/content to make up for said flaws.

 

[RejjeN]

So long as they ask a reasonable price for it I think it will still sell, gonna be a tough one if they price it at 50 euro though...