FTC Complaint about Anthony Burch / Destructoid

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People are lashing out at journalists because the atmosphere of distrust and attack is being feed, heavily so by journalists implicated in this mess. This is resulting in people acting out.

Lets not forget that the gamergate movement is literally just a mob of angry consumers acting in a loosely cohesive direction based on being pissed off by gaming journalism's efforts and behavior. There is no leadership, there is no organization, there is just a hell of a lot of angry individual gamers. Hell, the motivations for their anger vary from outrage at journalists being too close to devs, to how they treat their readers and the people they are suppose to represent the interests of, to how they represent SJW causes, to how they taint SJW causes by soiling the name, to whatever else.


Now, all these reasons circle around the larger whole of "gaming journalism has a shit ton of issues with integrity". Hence why most people, even if their motivations are different, still try to call this an issue of journalist integrity, because the various motivations all relate to how the media handles shit.

Now, how people respond to that and try to address it, well, that is as varied as the people who make up the mob. Some try to take it up with journalists, others apply pressure to advertisers, some try to instigate legal fights, some try to ignore the sites doing it...really, you have individual approaches by people to match the makeup of the mob itself.

To borrow an analogy, it is a flock of birds. No one leader, but they all sort of move in the same general direction and act independently but with the same endgoal.

Now personally I think having some damn leadership and organization would help a lot but so far that hasn't happened. Still, individuals only represent individuals in gaming because of both anonymity and the inability to feasibly DO anything to stop or deter any action of another person before it happens, regardless how silly or ill thought out. Blaming a flock of birds because one shit on your car. Calling birds misogynist because they shit on the car of a woman.

Switch to the journalist side of things, and we have no anonymity, an organized effort to share a message and legitimate standards they are support to meet. They have leadership and organization and cooperation. And while they certainly are not a uniform force with full control over who is or is not representative of them, they do have a lot more control then the mob. Sadly, the management of the journalists implicated by this debacle have done nothing at all to rein in their own side, either by issuing statements against the harassment and behavior of their own, or by by giving a general "rule of engagement" out there showing the standard they want the debate to happen on. Instead we get more shit stirring and baiting and often by the people heavily criticized already.


So, how does this all relate to Burch? He is asking why a group that is only a collection of individuals acting out of their own accord, hasn't gone after his shit while most people are zero'd in on the journalists who actually have to adhere to and answer to the standards set by the people who they are suppose to represent: the gaming audience.

The answer why no one cares about his shit at the moment? Because he isn't important in the topic and wasn't a catalyst for the whole thing being shielded from criticism. He is just another symptom to be noted for coming out and demanding attention on the topic in a topic filled with people doing a hell of a lot more to demand attention.
 

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Not The Bees said:
The FTC took them when they realized I was using them in a telemarketing scam.
You shouldn't say that so loud around these parts. That sort of thing is taken very seriously if you have a vagina.
 

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Not The Bees said:
You're right... >.> I do not have a vagina. I am a male. I have only joked about being a woman. It was meant to be ironic. I am totally a dude.
Oh, good. I was worried about you, dude. Gaming doesn't seem very safe for women right about now, and while it hasn't completely trickled down to every woman, the sort of blanket backlash against "feminists," "SJWs," and anyone else who might be sympathetic to the female cause is getting rather harsh.

I did not have sex with that woman. It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is.

[small] Are you ready for some 90s references?! [/small]
No cigar reference? Son, I am disappoint.

insaninater said:
Honestly, game journalism is pretty hopeless right now. Problem i have with zoe quin is the hypocrisy. Sleeping with your boss to promote a game about how horrible it is to be objectivised is just about as hypocritical as it gets.
Wait, which game was that? I thought this was about Depression Quest, which deals with...Depression. It's sort of what it says on the tin.

Even ignoring that part, you're assembling a narrative without any sort of facts to back it up and calling the end result hypocrisy.

Honestly, while i don't think she deserves death threats, i do think she deserves to be seen as a hypocrite, and to loose any moral or journalistic credibility she might have had
And further ignoring the fabricated narrative, what journalistic integrity would Quinn have, since she's not a journalist?
 

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insaninater said:
Clips from depression quest show how awful it is to get hit on. So yea, sleeping with your boss to promote a game where getting hit on is the worst of evils is still pretty hypocritical, journalist or not.
That's kind of a non sequitur. bneing hit on and choosing to screw someone (for any reason outside of actively being coerced) are different things entirely.

Basically, it turns into the following:
-Quinn did thing A.
-Quinn complained about thing B, THEREFORE,
-Quinn is a hypocrite.

Doesn't track.

Not The Bees said:
Linda Tripp?
I'll allow it. Though you may want to add something else, as that may be in low content post territory.
 

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So what Anthony Burch has publicly admitted to is...still having friends from a website he used to work on.

He has not said that he used these friendships to influence the review scores of a game he was head writer on, and I'm not aware of there being any other evidence to suggest this occurred. Were any such evidence to exist to suggest an actual conspiracy, the FTC complaint might have merit. But it doesn't. Because having friends is neither illegal nor unethical, and the Destructoid review scores for BL2 are clearly in line with other reviews of the game from unrelated websites.

http://www.destructoid.com/review-borderlands-2-235087.phtml

http://www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-360/borderlands-2/critic-reviews
 

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Not The Bees said:
Zachary Amaranth said:
I'll allow it. Though you may want to add something else, as that may be in low content post territory.
Well, you have to give me some leeway, I was in junior high/high school during this time. I was a bit distracted by other things. I believe at the time I was very much involved in band and clarinets. So I will of course make the obligatory "one time in band camp joke" despite never being in band camp, and of course, being male that would make no sense at all. Because I am a dude. Bro.
I went to band camp, but had a trombone. Yeah, I probably shouldn't have said that in public.

I was similarly in high school at the time. I've just, apparently, always been a precocious little SJW.
 

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Not The Bees said:
Actually, I played a bass clarinet. Have you ever seen one of those? It was nearly as tall as I was when I was sitting down. I had to play it in Marching Band, which was incredibly awkward, and by the time I learned how to handle it properly (har! joke!), I had already decided to move on to other such things. Like journalism and photo journalism.
Ow! That would really make "one time at band camp" jokes harsh!

Oh I'm derailing again. Yes, yes, FTC doesn't handle complaints like this one anyway, this wouldn't even remotely fall under consumer protection, as it didn't promise anything, this was a review by an independent website, not by the game itself. If anything it's just ethical dishonesty, no law was broken.
Yeah, but I honestly don't think this was ever anything other than another grudge match sort of deal. This struck me as a milder version of swatting.
 

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He didn't "use his friendly relationships" with Dtoid to get good reviews, he just... got a good review from Dtoid.
Need I remind you that the same publication also eviscerated Aliens Colonial Marines, also made by the same studio? Burch's friendship with Dtoid didn't help much there.

Could it be that... *gasp* the reviewers gave their legitimate opinion? *faints*