Fuck the Critics (Sucker Punch Rant)

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JourneyThroughHell

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The_root_of_all_evil said:
How many people here would have heard of Spill? Now anyone whose read this thread will think about going there and checking out other reviews.
I would disagree.

I've known of Spill way before this very thread, but, of course, that doesn't prove anything.

However, I can say they're fairly popular and that accusing them of attention-whoring just because they gave a negative review to a movie that some people happen to like is not fair.

Maybe they just didn't like it? Were they flamebaiting, this would've been a video review already - far more people watch that.
 

tjmac510

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As a film critic it's always a joy to hear that topic line lol

I personally thought the movie was good but it certainly had it's issues.

I think it's wrong to attack the critics as a whole though because despite the consensus being negative, there were critics who did like this movie. Everyone's opinion is going to be different and that's just part of who we are as humans. We all have varying opinions.
 

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There are about a billion different critics. Find a couple that you like or have similar tastes as you and perhaps take heed of their opinion. Don't pay attention to the other ones. I generally stick to Moviebob for mainstream cinema and the guys at bloodydisgusting.com for horror films.

I don't necessarily always agree with them, though. I've never been able to bring myself to give a shit about Scott Pilgrim (I thought it was awful) and I enjoyed The Expendables (I didn't think it was a great film, but it definitely warranted my price of admission more than Scott Pilgrim). As for bloodydisgusting.com (and every other critic on the planet, now that I think about it), I found Let the Right One in to be the most boring, contrived piece of shit in the last ten years or so. I honestly would watched some of the awful Michael Bay Platinum Dunes remakes before I watch Let the Right One in again.

The point is, not every critic speaks for every person. The ones you found are obviously dickholes. Quit paying attention to them. They've already got their audience sorted out, and it sure as hell ain't you.
 

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it pisses me off that you adopt the opinion of the first reviewer's video you see. watch the movie first, then form your opinion. btw that movie was shit.
I am not just basing my opinion off of this one review. I've followed the Spill reviews for over two years, and I generally agree with their opinions. But this review just seems out of place compared to their others.
I don't think I've seen them outright attack the audience over their reaction to a movie, so it was very jarring, hence this thread.
 

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The movie was mediocre, just like Watchmen was bad and 300 were mediocre, there are a bunch of flaws in all of them.

But like those movies, it was lots of fun. People need to learn accept that movies can have loads of bad in them but still be fun.

That said, some critics are dumb as can be for hating on the premise of a movie rather than stuff like poor plots or bad acting or bad direction.
 

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Meh, nothing that director does is really /that good/. He does movies which snag some section of pop culture which people do not find over-done yet and turns it into an over-directed mess of too much depth blur. Every time I see a trailer for his stuff, I REALLY want to like it, but it's always a mess with no story and horrible character development. He would do much better as the Director of Photography for Peter Jackson than a solo director... Actually, Peter Jackson would do better as the D.o.P. for somebody who understands what character development is.
 

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I think MovieBob nailed it on the head when he said that this is the kind of movie you either love or loathe. After seeing it, and loving it, I already suspected that the majority of the mainstream film critics were going to loathe this film.

But from what I've read, some hateful reviews are simply wrong in certain areas, opinion or not. The characters aren't at risk because it's all dreams? Que? Have they even seen the movie?!
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The movie can only be described with one word, and that's putting it lightly - [HEADING=1]NONSENSE.[/HEADING] Didn't listen to the review yet, but from what you said, I doubt the rant is unwarranted.
Eh, I beg to differ. Given, it is, as MovieBob puts it, utterly deranged. But I don't see that as a bad thing.
 

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Soviet Heavy said:
EDIT. I suppose I should Clarify: I am not against their stance on the film, but rather their treatment and vitrol for the audience.

The audio review in the link below is NSFW
http://my.spill.com/profiles/blogs/sucker-punch-audio-review

So anyways, in lieu of Moviebob's great reaction to Sucker Punch, I went searching around for alternative reviews. And wow, what a shitstorm of hate I found. I'm not against people disliking films, but it does get personal when they start insulting people.

In this case, the reviewers at Spill.com, a group I generally like, took pretty much half their review to tear the shit out of an outdated view of a 90's era 13 year old nerd. And that just pisses me off.

Give us YOUR opinion on the film critics, but don't think that your job entitles you to label the audience as poor saps who blindly follow your word or that of the film industry. More people than you think might watch movies because, god forbid, they might actually want to see them on their own volition.

It is throwaway insults and spite that critics have for the audience that shows just how big the divide is nowadays between reviewers and watchers. Anything "new" in Hollywood is deemed garbage by the old guard critics who haven't been impressed with anything for the past forty years unless it panders to them. Irony much?


For the record, no, I have not yet seen Sucker Punch. But I intend to on my own free will. I don't need bigoted critics or manipulative studios telling me what I want to do with my money.
I wouldn't really trust Spill. They can be quite unprofessional. I personally go to Brad Jones, Noah Antwiler, and Roger Ebert, myself. The first two aren't professionals either, but they are gamers who are part of the culture Spill makes fun of. Movie critics are fine. It is when they start talking about things they know fuck all about that you have to tune them out. This extends to MovieBob.
 

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So, from what I get in this thread, Critics suck, and this movie is similar in visual style and tone to Watchman and 300, but with more hot women and giant robot samurai dudes.

...excuse me, I need to go watch Sucker Punch fifty times in a row.
 

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Moviebob did admit that like The Social Network or V for Vendetta this one will mainly appeal to the younger crowd; older (and thus more acclaimed) critics will see a bunch of teen girls dancing around in schoolgirl outfits and think it to be exploitative trash no matter the actual quality. Just a fact of life, and one that he spent enough time openly lamenting during the Oscar nominations. Sucker Punch will never be nominated for anything. Period.

OT, my local paper gave it two our of four and claimed all the girls except for the main one weren't developed at all. I hadn't heard much about it until Moviebob's review, but now am semi-interested.
 

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Sometimes critics will disagree with you. Their job is to give a well explained opinion on something, as well as talk about the actual craftsmanship of any given piece of entertainment. Not to say that their opinions are necessarily better than anyone else's, but if you're lacking in easily accessable friends and acquaintances who can give you a decent yay or nay, yet still want to get a few opinions on a game, movie, book, or television/anime series before commiting time or money to it then maybe try a few, instead of looking at one and raging like a little *****. In fact, don't rage in such a way over critics ever. You may have different tastes, this doesn't make you, or them, somehow lesser, and don't let anyone ever tell you otherwise. Those who do are really just saying "in lieu of any real thing that might elevate me above the common rabble, like exceptional achievements in my field(be that business, academia, philanthropy or whatever), athletic prowess or intellect, I like to think that my tastes in entertainment make me better than you as a human being".
 

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LOL @ a thread beginning with bringing up a MovieBob review then claiming that other critics are full of vitriol.

At least most of those other critics back up said vitriol with real reason for why the movie is very likely a pile of trash.
 

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poiuppx said:
So, from what I get in this thread, Critics suck, and this movie is similar in visual style and tone to Watchman and 300, but with more hot women and giant robot samurai dudes.

...excuse me, I need to go watch Sucker Punch fifty times in a row.
I agree with this logic. I also believe there are dragons.
 

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I saw that movie last night without reading any reviews seeing preview prior, and I came out of that movie with a huge grudge against all nerdy 16-year-old weeaboos for somehow creating the ability for this movie to exist. Had I known it was going to be a pretentious, dumbass, live-action anime, I never would have subjected myself to it, lmao. I went to see it with my boyfriend and about 7 other guys from work (nerdy game developers), and only one of THEM managed to derive some enjoyment from it. And if anyone is the target audience, it should be guys like them.

Just listened that audio review, and I agree with just about everything they said, including the nerd rant. It really felt like a movie derived from a shitty deviantart drawing, really infuriatingly immature and nerdy.

But yeah, I don't usually mind reviews or let them get to me when I don't agree with them, and generally try to avoid them before going to see a movie. :C
 

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See, this is why I never, NEVER, trust critics. I watch Zero Punctuation, for the laughs and because I like Yahtzee, and I've seen a few Moviebob videos (for the same reason). But almost always, I disagree with what games/films they like or dislike. At the end of the day, to me, my opinion is the only one that should matter,m and the same should apply for everyone else (i.e. they follow their own opinion, not someone else's). That's why I've always loathed bandwagons of hate or love for something, because most of the people on said bandwagons form an opinion about something before they've even seen/played/read/heard it. And it's why I always go and see things regardless of whether a critic says it's crap or not.

I've seen the Sucker Punch trailers, and after seeing a comment conversation between Graham and Matt (from LRR) and Moviebob on Twitter last night, I commented that I'm a gamer and I'll still so and see Sucker Punch, and I'll probably love it too. It's something that looks interesting, very well filmed, an intriguing storyline, and generally ticks all the boxes that I have for 'enjoyable film'. If someone else doesn't want to see it then that's up to them, but I'll be damned if they're going to tell me I'm an idiot for liking it when they don't. Opinions are one thing, stating opinions as fact is something else.

EDIT: It gets released on April Fool's Day, next Friday, here in the UK. And you can bet your bottom I'll be seeing it on release day :D

And yes, that was a Shrek reference.
 
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JourneyThroughHell said:
However, I can say they're fairly popular and that accusing them of attention-whoring just because they gave a negative review to a movie that some people happen to like is not fair.
I don't think I was accusing them of attention-whoring, just that actions that would bring attention to their reviews would be favourable to them.

Yahtzee is renowned for his attack on SSBB, but I don't think that was attention whoring either.
 

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The_root_of_all_evil said:
JourneyThroughHell said:
However, I can say they're fairly popular and that accusing them of attention-whoring just because they gave a negative review to a movie that some people happen to like is not fair.
I don't think I was accusing them of attention-whoring, just that actions that would bring attention to their reviews would be favourable to them.

Yahtzee is renowned for his attack on SSBB, but I don't think that was attention whoring either.
Cool enough.

I guess I took it the wrong way, then.
 

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These reviewers, from what I hear (in their review) are idiots, bad at their job, and bigots.
"I missed that, I was taking a piss" Why am I even listening to your review of a movie you did not even completly see? One thing people need to consider, both reviewers and those recieving them, is if you both are so different in view, then the review is pointless. These guys sound like they would prefer some stupid movie where a bunch of rappers pretend they actually are tough thugs.
Wow...your opinion on the Spill Crew is way different than it actually is. Bob is much less professional than they are.
Im not familiar with them, but its called a review, so I expect you to watch the whole movie.
which they did.
Did you listen to it? He said he was pissing and missed important stuff that set up the whole movie.
That's part of having a collaborative effort, if you miss the beginning, you can have someone else keep you posted on what they had missed.
Or he could back off and omit from reviewing, or re-see it all the way through. Im not going to bother with a review from someone who is bad at his job like that.
The man you are talking about is named Korey. He runs the site, edits the reviews and podcasts, animates the video reviews, as well as coordinates events for the site. Don't bother telling me that he doesn't do his job well, when you don't even know half of the behind the scenes details.
So I should not criticize something I dont fully know about? Sounds familiar...
But you're basing his job on one review, when he's been a critic for over 10 years. That's like judging something based on a single-framed imaged.
I was bashing the one review. The review was done poorly I think. I did not say every review he does is poor, cause I have not seen (heard) them. I WAS going off that one review, which was very harsh and ignorant too, which stikes a sore spot.
I'm sorry but someone should go pay money to see a movie again because they missed maybe 2-3 minutes of a film because he or she had to go to the bathroom? Say he took a generous time of 3 minutes, he still saw 97% of the movie (hour and a half run time), it isn't like he left for 15 minutes. And to say that his opinion/review is complete negated by this is a bit silly, do you think that this is the first reviewer ever to have to go to the bathroom during a movie? I highly doubt that seeing those 2-3 minutes would honestly change his or anyone's opinion on a movie. Hell if a movie needs you to see an exact short sequence at any point of a movie in order to enjoy a movie, and if you miss it you will somehow magically hate it then that probably just shows that there is something wrong with the movie. Seriously go take a movie you absolutely love to death and take a friend you know will love it too. Have them sit down and watch it, then at some point skip ahead say 5 minutes,I seriously doubt the 5 minutes they lost will make them hate the movie.
Also just want to point out that the use of bigotry and ignorance is pretty harsh to say about anyone you really don't know about because of their (limited) beliefs that you have heard, so you might want to take a step back and realize the irony in that.
5 minutes can matter though. It depends on the movie. You could always miss one little bit of important info. Not at the begining, but imagine watching Star Wars Ep: 5 and leaving when Darth Vader says that famous revelation? (without knowing) Less than 5 minutes but important as hell. And the first thing he does is trash nerds.
 

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Judging by what I've heard from friends and such, this seems to be one of those movies where the general consensus from the public is that the film is amazing, and the general consensus from the critics is that it sucks. Granted, they see way more films than us, and if they have that opinion, then it shouldn't be ignored. But this is one of those times where you should probably trust your friends more than the critics when deciding whether to go see this movie or not.
 

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Sucker Punch is the second greatest movie of all time. Screw the bad reviews, just go see it! That's what I say.