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Regardless of what you were told in kindergarten, not every opinion is equal. Not every opinion deserves to be heard or tolerated.
No one has ever claimed every opinion is equal, no says every opinion needs to be heard, you can not listen to someone or did you not realize that? Just like if some awful show is on the TV, this isn't Clockwork Orange where you eyes are being held open.
 

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If this is correct, the dumbass did it explicitly as a 'transgender thing', and has now secured that talking point for all fucking time. Thanks for that. Really helpful.
First off, paywall. Secondly, from what I was able to see in the preview, the sources for this information are one internal law bulletin (which could just be jumping the gun, if you'll pardon the pun, or reporting on something being reported, that sort of thing) and "a person familiar with the investigation". Not the most reliable of sources. I'm not saying that this isn't true, but I'm definitely holding out until someone other than WSJ says it, at the very least. Looking it up, a few other sites have reported the same thing, but all cite the WSJ article as THEIR source.
 

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Gosh, imagine getting this worked up over this prick. Ok, so first of all, it's wild to say that everyone here is cheering for more assinations when the only opinion expressed is more "Ding dong, the witch is dead!". Hell, everyone has mostly expressed trepidation about what's going to happen next.

Also, I feel like this is making people scared because they think he got got over 'opinions' that feel close to they're own held positions and makes them uneasy. But ol Chuck wasn't killed over an opinion. He wasn't killed because he likes vanilla cake over chocolate, or because of the music he likes. He wasn't even killed over having the awful ideas he had about immigration or women's rights, because opinions are like assholes and everyone has at least one. What everyone doesn't have, is millions of dollars and a business venture aimed squarely at trying to turn those opinions into hard facts for everyone.

This was a man who was literally trying to turn shootings into some transgender thing and was right in the middle of downplaying and excusing gun violence, particularly school shootings, right before catching one in the throat. In a school shooting no less.

I mean, at this point we are honoring his wishes considering his views on empathy, especially for those who are victims of gun violence/school shootings.

Anywho, ding dong that ***** is dead.
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To be fair, we don't even really know why he was actually shot. The killer isn't even apprehended yet, so we can't say conclusively what the motive was. But the fact that those here who are crying outrage at our "celebration over someone with differing opinions" getting killed tells us even they know his wasn't just "an opinion". No one here breaks out the confetti because someone got killed who liked Coke over Pepsi. The people here seeing it as just a difference of opinion are the people who see very little wrong with what Charlie Kirk was saying and the millions of dollars he was making from it.
 

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He's got a lot more sins, so I suggest you read the entire article of this too.
Stop trying to make me happy somebody died. My opinion of you just gets lower and lower.
First off, paywall.
Agreed but I'm assuming the methods to deal with it are public, but sorry otherwise. Figured here after seeing it once, that bypassing was open to discuss.
Secondly, from what I was able to see in the preview, the sources for this information are one internal law bulletin (which could just be jumping the gun, if you'll pardon the pun, or reporting on something being reported, that sort of thing) and "a person familiar with the investigation". Not the most reliable of sources. I'm not saying that this isn't true, but I'm definitely holding out until someone other than WSJ says it, at the very least. Looking it up, a few other sites have reported the same thing, but all cite the WSJ article as THEIR source.
Also fair point. But from what I've seen the past few years, the forum has kinda just accepted this shit as evidence. In this case, I'm just voicing my concern at the possibility this may be true, and the absolute level of Hell this is going to bring in retribution. And largely on people that don't support this shit but are still affected.

The assassin's voice is not our own.
 
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Stop trying to make me happy somebody died. My opinion of you just gets lower and lower.
I never said nor implied for you to get happy. All I am doing his pointing out his many sins, and why most people don't miss him. You miss the point every single time. Stop reacting immediately and clutching your precious pearls. Actually read, comprehend, and understand. That's the problem certain with people today: they don't want to, and constantly want immediate smug satisfaction. All you're doing is projecting again.

Once again, you can cry for him or not. I don't care. Though I call hypocrisy when you didn't cry about those school shooting and either barely showed up, or not at all, mainly the latter. You're gonna cry for those kids that got killed recently in Colorado?
 
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I never said nor implied for you to get happy. All I am doing his pointing out his many sins, and why most people don't miss him.
And I'm pointing out Kwak and a good chunk of the forum liking his call for more violence. That is my point. This was not permissible behavior, and now it is. This site has been going down the drain for years.
The death of fascist propagandists should always be cause for celebration.
Now do Walsh and shapiro next.
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This site has been going down the drain for years.
Only because it's somebody you give a fuck about. You weren't the only one that point this out. There's pretty much nobody left on this side aside from one or two people who care about their moderating job. Have you even seen the main site at this point?

This was not permissible behavior, and now it is.
I never said nor implied it was. The once again i'm not feeling sorry nor crying for somebody that joined up with the KKK and Nazis willingly of their own volition. I already got your point the first time around and you can't get me to feel anything for him. Just remember that people like him, what use you as a shield, had it happen to you. He would have spoke for you or seeing how you were a necessary sacrifice. Remember that, and cope.

Also, you didn't answer my question the first time. Are you gonna cry or talk about those kids in Colorado that got shot and killed, or continue with the nazi sympathizer and aggressor? He didn't give a fuck about all those kids that got shot beforehand, and if he didn't get shot yesterday, he would have said the same shit, he always said.
 
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And I'm pointing out Kwak and a good chunk of the forum liking his call for more violence. That is my point. This was not permissible behavior, and now it is. This site has been going down the drain for years.

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You should have the same exact fucking reaction if this happened to someone you do like/agree with. I don't care if it's the liberal opposite of Charlie Kirk, being shot being someone doesn't agree with you shouldn't happen to anyone.

I never said nor implied it was. The once again i'm not feeling sorry nor crying for somebody that joined up with the KKK and Nazis willingly of their own volition. I already got your point the first time around and you can't get me to feel anything for him. Just remember that people like him, what use you as a shield, had it happen to you. He would have spoke for you or seeing how you were a necessary sacrifice. Remember that, and cope.

Also, you didn't answer my question the first time. Are you gonna cry or talk about those kids in Colorado that got shot and killed, or continue with the nazi sympathizer and aggressor? He didn't give a fuck about all those kids that got shot beforehand, and if he didn't get shot yesterday, he would have said the same shit, he always said.
You liked a post that calling for the murder of 2 more people...
 

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Please do not engage in personal attacks of any kind.
You liked a post that calling for the murder of 2 more people...
And you're a fool that makes excuses for nazis and KKK. So what's your point? You have no ground to stand on and have made excuses for school shooters. Or gave the flat thoughts and prayers excuse nobody wants to hear. My thumbs ups was more so expressing for how they felt with the understandable frustration. I can't blame anybody when it comes to fascists that were let into power, because they [Republicans and alt right grifters] thought it wouldn't affect them. Now, those republicans are seeing the consequences of their own actions and memes. Yet, rather not acknowledge them and shift the blame as we have already seen with Trump. Your "crownless king". There is only one true crowless king, and it's not him.


So you can shut up, and continue kissing your masters feet. The masters whom will happily use you as a sacrifice, and you use you as a disposable a pawn and grab the next one. You made that choice, so I suggest you lie with it, and fuck off.
 
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Discussing Karma directly I'm more cool with. Just brazen celebration I have personal issues with. Hell, make fuckin *jokes* if you want to. But cheer? Nah. When Sleepy Joe goes out, I'm gonna be wishing the best for the guy and hope he went peacefully enough, and probably get shitfaced in his honor.
Just one thing to mention, because I always find it funny when Biden is brought up as some kind of retort: Invoking the name of Biden, or Kamala, or Hilary, or Obama, or whoever else does literally nothing for people on the American Left. To the Left, politics isn't a team sport like it is becoming increasingly the case for people on the Right.

They are a means to an end. They are public servents elected to do a job. When they leave office or finally croak it, they will be judged based on their achivements and failures, and then people will move on. As individuals, you can say that you hate them, or even go and dance on their graves when they are gone, and this will mean absolutely nothing to the majority of the Left, because these people were there to do a job, not to be worshiped like celebrities or heroes like the Right have been treating Trump and Kirk.

Case in point: when it was becoming clear that Biden wasn't up to the task of challenging Trump in the 2024 election, dems weren't clammouring for Biden to hold on, they were asking for him to step aside. You can be damn sure that a large contigent of the Right will be begging Trump to keep running in 2028, and probably until he is in the ground.
 
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My feelings on political violence have changed considerably over the years. As a young adult, I opposed it almost uniformly. As I grew older, I realised that I don't, and indeed almost no-one does. All but a tiny few genuine pacifists truly oppose political violence. Everyone else condones violence - mostly as long as it meets their aims, and with some consideration of proportionality.

I realised that some of political violence - particularly riots - are pretty much an inevitability where deprivation, injustice, etc. are to be found. You may as well rage against the immorality of storms and earthquakes. Although at least you can prevent a riot by treating people well, you can't stop an earthquake.

And I also realised that people want political violence. It's always been a tool. Police enforcement of demonstrations are really a form of political violence: no-one should pretend that government enforcement of such things are that neutral, and some are more conspicuously politically motivated than others.

And then there are other forms of political violence. The right-wing have been encouraging political violence for years. When in my country mobs have been whipped up to menace accommodation for asylum seekers, what does anyone think this is but political violence? Note how Labour won an election, and almost immediately this ramped up a few gears to turn the screw. It is openly whipped up by politicians like Nigel Farage with the thinnest of fig leaves, whilst the supposedly respectable stay quiet or endorse it. Even worse, when Donald Trump tells a paramilitary direct action group to "Stand back and stand by", encourages them and others to menace the legislature for a key democratic process, and pardons them for their violent crimes, what the hell does anyone think all that is? What do we think it are the risks when he wants to install troops in cities under his direct control?

So it is that a significant section of the right seem to be indicating that they are coming for us, and they will use the state to come for us if they get their hands on it. The left needs to be ready to defend itself. If the right wants to dial down the rhetoric and threats, this would be very welcome. I'm waiting, and I fear I will be waiting a long time.

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So, Charlie Kirk, eh? Sad for his family and friends. Probably not useful for the left in a way, as it will be an excuse Trump and fellow authoritarians will use to escalate their own control and violence. But at least save us the hypocrisy of rightists who want to treat this as an outrage whilst not find their voice for their own side's sins. If they genuinely want to tamp down on political violence, they can get to work on the planks in their own eyes.
Why does the term political violence always refer to singular actions or events, but never the actual legislative violence that is done, by actual politicians, against the anonymous masses who are affected by their decisions?
The political violence being enacted by this administration, by those with power to abuse and use against out of favour demographics, is the real evil.
 
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Why does the term political violence always refer to singular actions or events, but never the actual legislative violence that is done, by actual politicians, against the anonymous masses who are affected by their decisions?
The political violence being enacted by this administration
Oh, i regularly see it in use for state sponsort violence.
 
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To the Left, politics isn't a team sport
You're correct. It's a cult. The left has turned their supporters into people who think anyone and everyone who disagrees with them is a facist nazi. They tell everyone that ANYONE on the right is evil, homophobic, racist, sexist, facist, nazis, and then people are surprised that some gassed up brainwashed hormone riddled confused kid pulls a trigger?

I guess they aren't surprised because an awful fucking lot of them seem quite happy right about now. YAY kids get to grow up without a dad! Fuck his wife, and kids.

Ya'll are the same people who were happy a random firefighter got killed at a Trump rally, because he shouldn't have been a conservative so fuck him I guess.
 
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You're correct. It's a cult. The left has turned their supporters into people who think anyone and everyone who disagrees with them is a facist nazi. They tell everyone that ANYONE on the right is evil, homophobic, racist, sexist, facist, nazis, and then people are surprised that some gassed up brainwashed hormone riddled confused kid pulls a trigger?
I mean, to be fair, maybe if the American Right stopped platforming evil, homophobic, racist, sexist, facist, nazis, people might stop generalising the American Right as evil, homophobic, racist, sexist, facist, nazis.

Food for thought.
 

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And you're a fool that makes excuses for nazis and KKK. So what's your point? You have no ground to stand on and have made excuses for school shooters. Or gave the flat thoughts and prayers excuse nobody wants to hear. My thumbs ups was more so expressing for how they felt with the understandable frustration. I can't blame anybody when it comes to fascists that were let into power, because they [Republicans and alt right grifters] thought it wouldn't affect them. Now, those republicans are seeing the consequences of their own actions and memes. Yet, rather not acknowledge them and shift the blame as we have already seen with Trump. Your "crownless king". There is only one true crowless king, and it's not him.


So you can shut up, and continue kissing your masters feet. The masters whom will happily use you as a sacrifice, and you use you as a disposable a pawn and grab the next one. You made that choice, so I suggest you lie with it, and fuck off.
I've never made any excuses for nazis or KKK. I even said no one's death should be celebrated unless it's a literal monster like Hitler a few posts ago. That's a nazi sympathizer how? OMG, THERE ARE NO FASCISTS IN POWER. That is the type of rhetoric that makes incidents like this possible when you believe something so extreme that isn't true. It's the same as me claiming that commies were in power under Biden. Shootings are an unavoidable result of having the ability to own guns, it's not an excuse, just the same way that, sadly, many people that will die from a car crash today; you allow people to drive cars, you'll have car deaths.

You're correct. It's a cult. The left has turned their supporters into people who think anyone and everyone who disagrees with them is a facist nazi. They tell everyone that ANYONE on the right is evil, homophobic, racist, sexist, facist, nazis, and then people are surprised that some gassed up brainwashed hormone riddled confused kid pulls a trigger?

I guess they aren't surprised because an awful fucking lot of them seem quite happy right about now. YAY kids get to grow up without a dad! Fuck his wife, and kids.

Ya'll are the same people who were happy a random firefighter got killed at a Trump rally, because he shouldn't have been a conservative so fuck him I guess.
How are you supposed get someone to join your side when all you do is point out how bad they are?

Why does the term political violence always refer to singular actions or events, but never the actual legislative violence that is done, by actual politicians, against the anonymous masses who are affected by their decisions?
The political violence being enacted by this administration, by those with power to abuse and use against out of favour demographics, is the real evil.
You own side makes policies that are worse for the people you're hellbent on saving, yet you call the other side fascists...
 

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I mean, to be fair, maybe if the American Right stopped platforming evil, homophobic, racist, sexist, facist, nazis, people might stop generalising the American Right as evil, homophobic, racist, sexist, facist, nazis.

Food for thought.
To be fair, if the American Left stopped making policies that were evil, homophobic, racist, sexist, facist, nazis, people might stop generalising the American Left as evil, homophobic, racist, sexist, facist, nazis.
 

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YAY kids get to grow up without a dad! Fuck his wife, and kids.
Yeah, because everyone here said that, right? You know what was said about one of Kirk's kids? That if his daughter ever got pregnant by a rapist she shouldn't be allowed to get an abortion. Take a wild guess who said that.

Keep trying to smear us for not liking nazis very much though.