Funny events in anti-woke world

[tstorm823]

Where did she offer the book? She was however brought up for discipline, the OK government is trying to take her job, and she recieved death threats. You just want to deflect from the crux of the issue, that conservatives hate free speech.

That is only the crux of the issue because that is what you want the truth to be. Nobody from any political persuasion thinks that freedom of speech should apply to teachers in state mandated schools. If the QR code went to a religious group's website, you wouldn't defend it.

I'm old enough to remember when gender was "a social construct" instead of an immutable characteristic and the gay community was fighting to be understood as normal people and not sex-obsessed weirdos. And now it's "if we don't illustrate sex-obsession in books in schools, the immutably queer students will be lacking relatable materials." The transgressive treadmill is logically incapable of winning.

 

[crimson5pheonix]

That is only the crux of the issue because that is what you want the truth to be. Nobody from any political persuasion thinks that freedom of speech should apply to teachers in state mandated schools. If the QR code went to a religious group's website, you wouldn't defend it.

I'm old enough to remember when gender was "a social construct" instead of an immutable characteristic and the gay community was fighting to be understood as normal people and not sex-obsessed weirdos. And now it's "if we don't illustrate sex-obsession in books in schools, the immutably queer students will be lacking relatable materials." The transgressive treadmill is logically incapable of winning.

Again, only you're talking about a book. The teacher didn't push any book on anybody, she made a library available. But conservatives have made it known that they don't believe in the free exchange of ideas. And they go out of their way to hate and demonize those that do.

 

[crimson5pheonix]

Anyway, some comedy.

 

[tstorm823]

Again, only you're talking about a book. The teacher didn't push any book on anybody, she made a library available. But conservatives have made it known that they don't believe in the free exchange of ideas. And they go out of their way to hate and demonize those that do.

This link isn't access to a library. That link is specifically about banned books, with resources to see what's most challenged or to compile a recommended reading list. There is an email on that page you can send a request for a library card, but sticking "send us an email" in the corner of the page is a pretty opaque process when the teacher could have much more easily gotten them onto their own state's elibrary.

 

[crimson5pheonix]

This link isn't access to a library. That link is specifically about banned books, with resources to see what's most challenged or to compile a recommended reading list. There is an email on that page you can send a request for a library card, but sticking "send us an email" in the corner of the page is a pretty opaque process when the teacher could have much more easily gotten them onto their own state's elibrary.

That is quite literally a library. A very comprehensive one. Why do you hate libraries?

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

Again, only you're talking about a book. The teacher didn't push any book on anybody, she made a library available. But conservatives have made it known that they don't believe in the free exchange of ideas. And they go out of their way to hate and demonize those that do.

So having gone back through this part of the thread and followed the arguments and discussions I figured I'd weigh in on this.

Schools have limited budgets to buy books. At some point when book orders were being suggested by staff etc so therefore it would have had to be argued for and pushed for to be included. Maybe it got through unanimously, maybe it got through as part of a deal I dunno maybe this book got ordered in exchange for Atlas Shrugged and and some copies of the bible also getting ordered.

Now reading the article that sparked this it's a K-12 school which is a term I'm not familiar with not being American so I looked it up and it's ages 4-18. The original article doesn't mention the age of class she taught only that students in her class turned up to find the red signs giving them access to the banned books.

So it leaves a bit of an issue here because her class could realistically have been anywhere from lets say age 6 to age 18 and be generous and not go with her having a Kindergarten class.

Does anyone here really support the idea of recommending a 6 year old to read 50 shades of Grey?

People might be more comfortable with lets say 16 upwards.

Maybe 13 - 14 for Lady Chatterley's lover or that level content, maybe.

There really is only so much free exchange of idea that should be happening with students who are minors and far less free exchange in some areas and the limits on this grow dramatically as the age of the pupils goes down.

The optics on this really don't benefit the "Liberal" side and as much as I'm for sex education etc etc but dear Cthulhu people there's no way in hell I'm going to bat for people directing potentially pre-teens to erotica books gay or otherwise worse still in an environment and set of optics where claims and accusations of grooming have been getting thrown around and people are trying to argue it's all made up and fake then there's potentially this shit going on? It's almost beyond belief how stupid it looks.

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

That is quite literally a library. A very comprehensive one. Why do you hate libraries?

Ok is we're being facetious here does this mean I can ask why you want 8 years olds reading the anarchists cookbook unsupervised?

 

[Gordon_4]

Does anyone here really support the idea of recommending a 6 year old to read 50 shades of Grey?

No one should read 50 Shades of Grey because its fucking shite.

 

[Silvanus]

there's no way in hell I'm going to bat for people directing potentially pre-teens to erotica books gay or otherwise

It's not erotica.

We're talking about coming-of-age memoirs/novels with brief sexual themes because (shock, horror) those are things that are relevant to coming-of-age experiences. Sexual themes are exceptionally common in straight coming-of-age literature and nobody bats an eye.

It's being misrepresented as pornography and erotica because when conservatives discuss queer art, they reduce it to pornography and erotica as a method to delegitimise it.

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

It's not erotica.

We're talking about coming-of-age memoirs/novels with brief sexual themes because (shock, horror) those are things that are relevant to coming-of-age experiences. Sexual themes are exceptionally common in straight coming-of-age literature and nobody bats an eye.

It's being misrepresented as pornography and erotica because when conservatives discuss queer art, they reduce it to pornography and erotica as a method to delegitimise it.

Then maybe save if for those in said coming of age bracket?

Also if as has been suggested there are illustrations then it's erotica more than coming of age.

Just because hentai is art doesn't mean I'd support hentai illustrated books in schools lol

 

[Silvanus]

Then maybe save if for those in said coming of age bracket?

It's not as if the teacher was recommending it to the youngest age bracket. She was just directing kids to another resource-- the library-- where they could find books that were otherwise unavailable in school.

Also if as has been suggested there are illustrations then it's erotica more than coming of age.

I am sorry that your sex education was also woefully puritanical.

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

Anyway, some comedy.

Threaten me with a good time, why don't they

 

[Silvanus]

 

[tstorm823]

Now reading the article that sparked this it's a K-12 school which is a term I'm not familiar with not being American so I looked it up and it's ages 4-18. The original article doesn't mention the age of class she taught only that students in her class turned up to find the red signs giving them access to the banned books.

Other articles describe her as a high school teacher, so 14-18 is the approximate age group.

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

It's not as if the teacher was recommending it to the youngest age bracket. She was just directing kids to another resource-- the library-- where they could find books that were otherwise unavailable in school.

Which specifically included a list of the banned books apparently

I am sorry that your sex education was also woefully puritanical.

No it wasn't, we just didn't need to rely on erotica books for it, which considering your stance on this it sounds more like projection then on your part.

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

Other articles describe her as a high school teacher, so 14-18 is the approximate age group.

See that would make it less bad in my view.

However again it once again depends on the nature of the books and kind of the level of content in them as it if they're really acceptable and again the age of her class as 14 is still very different to 17-18.

 

[Silvanus]

Which specifically included a list of the banned books apparently

Well yes, otherwise it would defeat the point.

No it wasn't, we just didn't need to rely on erotica books for it, which considering your stance on this it sounds more like projection then on your part.

Still not erotica. Your idea of what constitutes erotica is hilariously 1950s.

 

[Catfood220]

Politics has never been so cool.

 

[XsjadoBlaydette]

 

[The Rogue Wolf]

It's cute how all the people who want a second Civil War think they'd win this time.