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crimson5pheonix

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I think the question is less what agencies they plan to exploit, but what actual legislative mechanism do they plan to use to prevent people from buying EVs out of state?
Fool I am, my first thought would have been like Gergar said and go to the DMV and have them not issue registration for electric vehicles in the same way the DMV regulates what cars can or can't operate on public roadways.

Unfortunately I found the "bill" in question, and it's just a resolution with literally no teeth and is just grandstanding.


NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED BY THE MEMBERS OF THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF WYOMING:

Section 1. That the legislature encourages and expresses as a goal that the sale of new electric vehicles in the state of Wyoming be phased out by 2035.

Section 2. That the legislature encourages Wyoming's industries and citizens to limit the sale and purchase of new electric vehicles in Wyoming with a goal of phasing out the sale of new electric vehicles in Wyoming by 2035.

Section 3. That the Secretary of State of Wyoming transmit copies of this resolution to the President of the United States, each member of Wyoming's congressional delegation, the President of the United States Senate, the Speaker of the United States House of Representatives, the governor of Wyoming and the governor of California.
That they want to CC the governor of California with this is just gold.
 

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Fool I am, my first thought would have been like Gergar said and go to the DMV and have them not issue registration for electric vehicles in the same way the DMV regulates what cars can or can't operate on public roadways.

Unfortunately I found the "bill" in question, and it's just a resolution with literally no teeth and is just grandstanding.




That they want to CC the governor of California with this is just gold.
Again it moves the Overton window and normalizes this. First, it becomes a goal, then some people in the state government have to buy this, then the subsidies, and then one state does it, then multiple conservative states all buy into it, then the DMV charges you 400 dollars to use an EV, which then increases, and soon a ban when on a Friday night at midnight.

Also by 2030, I would recommend buying used EVs since they are starting to come out with better EVs that have large backlogs if you can't afford a new one. Buying an ICE vehicle means more expensive repairs and likely insurance costs.

American politics is incremental, this needs to be killed right away.
 

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Again it moves the Overton window and normalizes this. First, it becomes a goal, then some people in the state government have to buy this, then the subsidies, and then one state does it, then multiple conservative states all buy into it, then the DMV charges you 400 dollars to use an EV, which then increases, and soon a ban when on a Friday night at midnight.

Also by 2030, I would recommend buying used EVs since they are starting to come out with better EVs that have large backlogs if you can't afford a new one. Buying an ICE vehicle means more expensive repairs and likely insurance costs.

American politics is incremental, this needs to be killed right away.
It does, but major manufacturers work on the weight of global trade. To make a single segment ICE car would mean drastically scaling back costs for the American market presuming other major economic countries don't follow America's route (and there's no reason to believe they will). So Americans would have their no EV bills up until they see the three wheel three seat three cylinder lawnmowers they'll have to settle for.
 

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I didn't say predatory men accidentally exposed Hollywood through the hashtag. They were exposed. The MeToo movement exposed them. You seem to be confused as to where the hypocrisy part comes in. Let's revisit the first post I wrote.

Read the last part.

What I'm saying is that Hollywood people, who see themselves as woke, who opine about the ailments of society beneath them, were highlighted in the MeToo movement as being exceptionally scandalous. The MeToo movement was not intended to be a Hollywood specific exposè, but it became that, and undermined every social justice platitude Hollywood has preached for years.
First, Hollywood generally don't call themselves woke. That's what others do to them.

Second, I could imagine a bunch of people hiding behind the MeToo banner to make it look like they've done nothing wrong

Third, MeToo was targeting anyone who does any rape. It's irrelevant of their political leaning.

Fourth, the MeToo movement was specifically started by actors. Many of their targets were ALWAYS going to be Hollywood elites. Because that's their circle. They aren't going to be making random claims about people in random industries. I don't know where you got this idea of it 'not meant to target Hollywood elites'. Eg. McGowan was always going to targeted people who did damage to her... some Hollywood elites

Fifth, and looping back to the first point, most Hollywood elites are conservatives. I'll defend them as far as saying they don't call themselves woke. It doesn't go much further than that
 
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I think the question is less what agencies they plan to exploit, but what actual legislative mechanism do they plan to use to prevent people from buying EVs out of state?
Theoretically? They could prevent new registrations for EVs within the state after a given date. Combine that with already existing laws against driving non-registered vehicles and you've got a defacto EV ban, at least for state residents. This is (roughly) the framework states already use for emission standards and the like.
 
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I didn't say predatory men accidentally exposed Hollywood through the hashtag. They were exposed. The MeToo movement exposed them. You seem to be confused as to where the hypocrisy part comes in. Let's revisit the first post I wrote.

Read the last part.

What I'm saying is that Hollywood people, who see themselves as woke, who opine about the ailments of society beneath them, were highlighted in the MeToo movement as being exceptionally scandalous. The MeToo movement was not intended to be a Hollywood specific exposè, but it became that, and undermined every social justice platitude Hollywood has preached for years.
So how exactly do you square the fact you called the exposure of Hollywood an "accidental result"? That /only/ makes sense if you're saying those who took part in the movement itself didn't intend to expose Hollywood.
 

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So how exactly do you square the fact you called the exposure of Hollywood an "accidental result"? That /only/ makes sense if you're saying those who took part in the movement itself didn't intend to expose Hollywood.
The accidental part was being specific to Hollywood, rather than the broad movement that was intended. I feel like I've said this 12 different ways.
I don't know where you got this idea of it 'not meant to target Hollywood elites'.
That's not what I'm saying. The idea of MeToo is to expose how common sexual misconduct is. The celebrities that participated were exposing Hollywood elites, yes, I understand that, I understand that was deliberate. But what they thought was going to happen was a mass movement of regular people illustrating the ubiquity of those experiences, and instead the movement made it look like there's unusually high levels of sexual misconduct in the media industry. Not saying there necessarily is, I don't have that evidence, it's just the optics. Now I've said it 13 different ways.
Most Hollywood elites are conservatives.
Irrelevant, they're Democrats.
 

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It does, but major manufacturers work on the weight of global trade. To make a single segment ICE car would mean drastically scaling back costs for the American market presuming other major economic countries don't follow America's route (and there's no reason to believe they will). So Americans would have their no EV bills up until they see the three wheel three seat three cylinder lawnmowers they'll have to settle for.
My only issues thus far with the idea of EVs - as a soft city dweller who loathes and fears the wilderness - is can my kids buy one for $1800 in 10 years at a used car market?
 
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The accidental part was being specific to Hollywood, rather than the broad movement that was intended. I feel like I've said this 12 different ways.
You've tried to reframe and rewrite what you originally said about 12 different ways, yes.

So the "accidental" part was referring to those who espoused #MeToo. Yes? So we can dispense with the bit about how you were just talking about predatory men, and not the proponents of the movement.

...which brings us back to the fact that it obviously wasn't an accident on their part, highlighting that the issue is pervasive and normalised in Hollywood specifically. They explicitly said it was, from the start. No accident.
 
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They specifically and explicitly pointed to a problem in Hollywood. From the start. No accident.
For what purpose, Silvanus? What was their intention? Exposing Hollywood was meant to be the means to broader movement, not the end goal.
 

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For what purpose, Silvanus? What was their intention? Exposing Hollywood was meant to be the means to broader movement, not the end goal.
For what purpose did they expose the sexual abuse they had suffered?

I imagine it was to attain some kind of justice, and to prevent others from going through something similar in future. What a tremendously bizarre question.
 

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For what purpose did they expose the sexual abuse they had suffered?

I imagine it was to attain some kind of justice, and to prevent others from going through something similar in future.
I award you no points.

The point was public awareness of broad societal problems.
 

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I award you no points.

The point was public awareness of broad societal problems.
...you genuinely think that's somehow at odds with what i said. Amazing.

OK. So: do you think that raising awareness of the ubiquitousness of sexual assault might have... something to do with stopping it from happening? Improving the situation? Or do you think they were just wanting to spread awareness for shits and giggles?
 
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Again, "not at odds with" and "the explicit purpose" are very different standards.
Indeed. The first of which is the one you would have to meet, given what you've been saying: which is that it was "accidental" for them to expose Hollywood, rather than part of it.
 

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...But what they thought was going to happen was a mass movement of regular people illustrating the ubiquity of those experiences, and instead the movement made it look like there's unusually high levels of sexual misconduct in the media industry. Not saying there necessarily is, I don't have that evidence, it's just the optics. Now I've said it 13 different ways.
But that would be because when a known name or celebrity is implicated, that makes the news. Nameless citizens don't.
 

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But that would be because when a known name or celebrity is implicated, that makes the news. Nameless citizens don't.
That is certainly at least part of if not entirely the reason, but the optics are still there.
 

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That's not what I'm saying. The idea of MeToo is to expose how common sexual misconduct is. The celebrities that participated were exposing Hollywood elites, yes, I understand that, I understand that was deliberate. But what they thought was going to happen was a mass movement of regular people illustrating the ubiquity of those experiences, and instead the movement made it look like there's unusually high levels of sexual misconduct in the media industry.
They might have been more successful at a broader movement had it not been for all the people more invested in attacking (Hollywood) liberals than raising awareness of sexual assault. In other words, conservatives.
 
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They might have been more successful at a broader movement had it not been for all the people more invested in attacking (Hollywood) liberals than raising awareness of sexual assault. In other words, conservatives.
The way I remembered it, MeToo hit prominent media conservatives as hard as liberal counterparts without any issue, and only really lost momentum when they attempted to torpedo a Supreme Court nomination with it. But looking back into google result history, I may have been ignorant, cause it looks like the spring and summer of 2018 before Kavanaugh was nominated were actually full of left wing articles critical of the movement, or at least the consequences of it.

I thought the left accidentally killed MeToo's momentum, but maybe I just didn't notice them killing it on purpose, which you could reason as a response to conservatives attacking them with it.