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Whether such a law passes or not, it still completely shatters the party's ideological pretenses. Any "cancel culture" whining, any "big state" rambling, can be answered with such very concrete examples which lay bare its hypocrisy. It completely unmasks the actual model of society they're after, and should be reminded over and over and over.

Makes such practical propositions very precious to counter deniability.
The thing is that they don't care about being hypocrites. It's all about "saving American culture" from some shadowy force that wants to make them feel less awesome for being American. And because that's all they have, they'll blindly attack anything they sense as threatening that.
 

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Whether such a law passes or not, it still completely shatters the party's ideological pretenses. Any "cancel culture" whining, any "big state" rambling, can be answered with such very concrete examples which lay bare its hypocrisy. It completely unmasks the actual model of society they're after, and should be reminded over and over and over.
As Rogue Wolf already said, hypocrisy is immaterial to the right because the ends justify the means in their eyes. That said, it would be good for the left to stay on message that we're the side that represents not just personal liberty, but also fun.
 
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So that's a regular thing now.


KTVU reporter Amber Lee says David DePape, the man suspected of a violent hammer assault on Paul Pelosi, called her from jail Friday to say the attack was part of an attempt to protect people’s individual liberties. “People killing it have names and addresses, so I got their names and addresses so I could pay them a little visit… have a heart to heart chat about their bad behavior,” he reportedly said. “I want to apologize to everyone. I messed up. What I did was really bad. I’m so sorry I didn’t get more of them. It’s my own fault. No one else is to blame. I should have come better prepared.” Video of the attack on Pelosi, the husband of former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi who was not at home at the time, was released on Friday. DePape has pleaded not guilty and his next court date is Feb. 23.
Directly related;


Imagine sacrificing everything for your "cause" ...your holy war, only for all the people who are supposed to be in your side call you a false flag, a total fake by liberal Jewish media. This is what they have always done and will always do.

The release of police body camera footage has thrust the hammer attack on Paul Pelosi back into the limelight.

It’s gruesome viewing: Shortly after police tell alleged assailant David DePape to “drop the hammer” he is struggling with Pelosi over, he takes a swing at Nancy Pelosi’s husband.

A coalition of news organizations sued for the footage’s release, arguing that it was in the public interest. But experts on disinformation and political extremism say this kind of video can be dangerous in a country seeing an upswing in right-wing extremism and conspiracy theories.

They are concerned.

While access to this kind of footage is a “net good for transparency,” journalists need to handle it responsibly, said Jonathan Lewis, a research fellow at George Washington University’s Program on Extremism.

“It’s paramount that news organizations and reporters do not simply amplify this type of content,” he said.

He’s not speaking theoretically.

In the wake of the October 2022 attack at the Pelosi home, conspiracy theories proliferated in right-wing online spaces. Amongst other things, people suggested that Pelosi and DePape had a sexual relationship, that the attack was a false flag, and that DePape could not have been radicalized by right-wing conspiracy theories because he was from the progressive enclave of Berkeley and had been previously in a relationship with an infamous nudist activist.

Nude activist Gypsy Taub is arrested by San Francisco police officers in 2013. | Justin Sullivan/Getty Images

Prominent mainstream figures—Elon Musk, Donald Trump Jr. and even Texas Sen. Ted Cruz—all joined into the fray.

The conventional wisdom holds that more factual information can help disprove false information. But it doesn’t always play out that way.

“You’re already seeing the rapid dissemination of this video, in right-wing ecosystems and conspiratorially minded channels, promoting many of the same conspiracies,” Lewis said.

Why Can’t We See It on the Video?
Sara Aniano, a disinformation researcher at the Anti-Defamation League, says she is seeing online conspiracy theorists trying to pick apart the video: If it was reported that the attack left Pelosi lying in a pool of his own blood, why can’t we see it on the video? Why is Pelosi holding a drinking glass in the footage? Why is he in his underwear?

“This shouldn’t be surprising to people who are familiar with conspiracy theorists,” Aniano said. “A lot of people aren’t really convinced by visual evidence.”

This is a feature of conspiracy theories, not a bug, says Abner Hauge, the chief editor of Left Coast Right Watch, an investigative news site that reports on right-wing extremism.

“Conspiracy theories don’t rely on facts, they weaponize them,” he told The Standard. “The idea of a conspiracy theory is you have an endpoint you want to go to and you construct reality around that.”

Screenshot from the police body camera footage of the attack on Paul Pelosi.

This was one of the reasons that Adam Lipson, the public defender representing DePape, opposed the release of the video.

“Releasing this footage is disrespectful to Mr. Pelosi, and serves no purpose except to feed the public desire for spectacle and violence,” Lipson said in a statement. “The footage is inflammatory and could feed unfounded theories about this case, and we are extremely concerned about Mr. DePape’s ability to get a fair trial.”

So what are reporters to do? Experts on extremism say that, while it is legitimate for journalists to report on the footage, carefully crafting the coverage is key.

For example, reporters can choose not to publish the full video, instead using just a clip or a series of stills to offer readers a visual understanding of the attack, the extremism researcher Lewis said. Or they can simply view the footage themselves and describe it in their reporting.

Defendant David DePape (right) and federal public defender Angela Chuang (left) during DePape’s in November 2022. | Vicki Behringer for The Standard

Lewis stressed that the video won’t change the minds of true believers, but it will become a meme for right-wing extremists—and that can have deadly consequences.

“Will this be the catalyst?” Lewis asked. “Will this inspire someone else who is considering engaging in an act of political violence”

More broadly, media need to understand how this type of footage will be weaponized by extremists and calibrate their coverage to avoid that, Hauge said. But building that kind of institutional knowledge takes resources that most news media don’t have today.

Barring that, he believes news outlets should agree amongst themselves not to sensationalize the story.

Many aren’t doing that. Hauge described one story that featured a sensationalist headline and included a “flattering photograph” of DePape.

“It’s like they made him a press kit,” Hauge said. “Don’t hand him a public relations win on a silver platter.”

But for some heartwarming news instead...

 
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Canning RvW did not remove people's ability to get an abortion per se, it just meant it was possible for states to legislate to strip away abortion rights. As the anti-abortion camp have found out from some notable setbacks, it turns out that whilst plenty of people appear to have objected to RvW's judicial diktat, they didn't actually want abortion canned, and much proposed anti-abortion legislation has been watered down or scrapped.

So, I'm not going to go into the text at depth because it's not worth my time, but if it really does do what is suggested by the Twitterato, it doesn't stand a chance. Because no population is going to stand for some guy making a fart gag accidentally in the presence of a minor and potentially seeing 10 years in prison, and no politician is going to tar themselves with voting in that sort of grotesque injustice that will cause a shitstorm of public opprobrium.

Either the bill is far more benign than it seems (for instance, judicial precedent about what is obscene protects low level profanity), or it will be amended to be so.
Doesn't matter how benign it pretends to be when certain classes of people get held to different standards for what counts as "obscene", entirely to the whim of "community standards"
 

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Heh, what matters is that :



Whether such a law passes or not, it still completely shatters the party's ideological pretenses. Any "cancel culture" whining, any "big state" rambling, can be answered with such very concrete examples which lay bare its hypocrisy. It completely unmasks the actual model of society they're after, and should be reminded over and over and over.

Makes such practical propositions very precious to counter deniability.
Logic doesn't really matter here. In fact, it's best that you leave it at home. No amount of evidence will prove anything because the reason they have a particular belief is not built on evidence
 

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Logic doesn't really matter here. In fact, it's best that you leave it at home. No amount of evidence will prove anything because the reason they have a particular belief is not built on evidence
Okay. It's still fun, when grand abstract principles are agitated like banners, to be able to point at concrete examples and answer "no". A rhetorical needle for some bloated hot air balloons.
 

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Some ppl are purists, accepting no less than the OG. Just don't let Kanye know about this one.




Earlier this month, while the rest of the country was celebrating the achievements of civil rights leader Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., parents and children in the “Dissident Homeschool” network opened a lesson plan and were greeted with the words: “As Adolf Hitler wrote…”

The contents of the MLK lesson plan would be shocking for almost anyone, but for members of the 2,400-member “Dissident Homeschool” Telegram channel, this was a regular Monday at school.

“It is up to us to ensure our children know him for the deceitful, dishonest, riot-inciting negro he actually was,” the administrator of the network’s Telegram channel wrote, alongside a downloadable lesson plan for elementary school children. ”He is the face of a movement which ethnically cleansed whites out of urban areas and precipitated the anti-white regime that we are now fighting to free ourselves from.”

Since the group began in October 2021 it has openly embraced Nazi ideology and promoted white supremacy, while proudly discouraging parents from letting their white children play with or have any contact with people of any other race. Admins and members use racist, homophobic, and antisemitic slurs without shame, and quote Hitler and other Nazi leaders daily in a channel open to the public.

VICE News joined the group simply by clicking on a link, though the list of members was not publicly visible.

What’s even more disturbing, however, is that the couple who run the channel are not only teaching parents how to indoctrinate their children into this fascist ideology, they’re also encouraging them to meet up in real life and join even more radical groups, which could further reinforce their beliefs and potentially push them toward violent action.

‘Mr. and Mrs. Saxon’
The “Dissident Homeschool” network is run by a husband and wife team who use the aliases “Mr. and Mrs. Saxon.” This week the antifascist research group Anonymous Comrades Collective published a detailed report that unmasked the Saxons as Logan and Katja Lawrence, who live in Upper Sandusky, Ohio, with their four young children.

The researchers were able to identify the Lawrences through biographical details they shared in the Telegram channel’s group chat and on podcast appearances. One of the key clues to identifying them came when they revealed that they owned a German Shepherd called Blondi—the same name as Hitler’s dog.

The researchers found photos that Katja posted on Facebook with her German Shepherd, and were also able to confirm Katja Lawrence’s ownership of this dog through the Wyandot County dog licensing website dog search feature.

Please send tips about the Lawrences or the neo-Nazi homeschool network to David Gilbert at [email protected]. For Signal, DM @Daithaigilbert on Twitter.

The Lawrences did not respond to multiple emails, text messages, social media messages, and phone calls from VICE News to discuss the contents of the report and their neo-Nazi homeschooling group.

Katja Lawrence, who is in her mid-30s, launched the channel in October 2021, because she “was having a rough time finding Nazi-approved school material for [her] homeschool children,” as she told the neo-Nazi podcast “Achtung! Amerikaner” last year.

“We are so deeply invested into making sure that that child becomes a wonderful Nazi.”
Later in the same podcast episode, Lawrence expanded on her view on why she wanted to educate her children at home. “We have our children’s best interest at heart and nobody can do a better job than we can because it’s our child. We are so deeply invested into making sure that that child becomes a wonderful Nazi,” she said.

When VICE News asked for comment on the Lawrences and their channel, the host of the podcast, Gordon Kahl, replied: “I think you should kill yourself instead.”

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Katja Lawrence, born Katja van den Berg, is originally from the Netherlands and moved to the U.S. after meeting her husband at the Oktoberfest festival in Berlin, according to an old LiveJournal blog uncovered by the researchers. She became a naturalized U.S. citizen in 2017.

Logan Lawrence works as an agent for a local, family-run insurance agency. When reached by phone, an employee at the company told VICE News that they would not be commenting on the story.

Logan is also a member of a local Masonic lodge and features in a number of pictures on its website, where he is listed as an officer of the lodge. The secretary of the lodge did not respond to VICE News’ request for comment.

Both Katja and Logan have a limited presence on mainstream social media platforms, and the one Facebook account that was operated by Katja was deleted this week after the Anonymous Comrades Collective report was published.

Katja Lawrence is the main poster on the “Dissident Homeschool” channel, posting classroom schedules, book lists, lesson plans, and other educational resources for like-minded parents.


Racist lesson plans
Lawrence uses every lesson plan as an opportunity to push racist ideology. In one “math assignment,” children were asked to interpret “crime statistics,” the goal of which was to “realize the demographics to be cautious around.” Another lesson called “IQ Unit Study” discusses IQ scores. “The blacks—on average—have a much lower IQ than whites,” Lawrence wrote.

Last week the group chat channel belonging to the “Dissident Homeschool” network was shut down, but VICE News has reviewed an archive of the chats dating back to October 2021, showing that initially the channel was populated by a small number of core members who contributed most of the comments and content.

However, by the time the chat archive ended on Jan. 4, there were hundreds more people contributing to the conversations, and discussions had expanded from children’s education to the dangers of diversity and how “Indiana Jones” movies are nothing more than “Jewish revenge porn.”

One parent posting in the group last year thanked the Lawrences for their work and explained why they agreed that public school education was not for them.
“I don’t even want my kids exposed to the gay loving, anti-family, Jew factory that is public school, I can’t stand it.”
“This is why I want to make the switch. I don’t even want my kids exposed to the gay loving, anti-family, Jew factory that is public school, I can’t stand it.”

Other parents offered their own educational resources, with one member writing: “Here is an overview of 10 Reason why Hitler was one of the Good Guys:”

When one parent named Nancy recommended three preachers that the group might find interesting, another member responded: “A ni**er, a race mixer, and a guy who literally says that Israel should rule the world. You're 0 for 3.”

Katja Lawrence then added: “Nancy, did you know you are in a chat of dissidents who fully support white nationalism? We do not support Israel and do not listen to black preachers.”

The members of the channel have also expanded beyond the U.S. to include members from other countries, though only those from European countries with acceptable ethnicity, such as Norway, Germany, and the U.K., are welcomed.

At one point in the chat, Katja Lawrence told a UK-based member of the group that she would help put him in touch with the head of one of the biggest white nationalist groups in the U.K., suggesting the Lawrences have made connections with antisemites and white supremacists outside of their own homeschooling community.


Baking a ‘Führer cake’
When the Telegram channel reached its 1,000th subscriber, just months after it launched, Katja Lawrence posted a picture of German schoolchildren performing a Nazi salute in a classroom, writing: “It fills my heart with joy to know there is such a strong base of homeschoolers and homeschool-interested national socialists. Hail Victory.”

The Lawrences also described how their family celebrated Hitler’s birthday by baking a “Führer cake.”

“We had a lovely dinner followed by Führerkuchen,” Katja Lawrence wrote. “Our children celebrated Adolf’s birthday today by learning about Germany and eating favorite German foods.” She later added that she had baked “quite a few swastika items, my latest a swastika apple pie.”

In one chilling, now-deleted post on Telegram, Katla Lawrence posted an audio message of her children shouting “sieg heil.”

While Katja and Logan Lawrence claim in Telegram comments that they warn their children not to discuss their Nazi views with those outside the family, they also don’t limit their activities to the online world and help others to connect with fellow white nationalists in the real world.


Secret ‘pool parties’
“There is a huge network of people like us,” Katja wrote on the Telegram channel. “If you are asking what you can do: get vetted and join a local pool party. I would say that’s the best decision Mr. Saxon and I made last year. We joined a pool party and our children now play with other white children where they can speak and play freely. ”

A “pool party” is the name for a secretive meetup organized by white supremacist group The Right Stuff and its political wing the National Justice Party. Katja Lawrence even goes so far as to share the direct email for a contact at The Right Stuff who deals with vetting, while an account named the “National Justice Party” posts updates that include calls for “Dissident Homeschool” members to join its supporter group and updates on its Christmas charity drive.
“Our children now play with other white children where they can speak and play freely.”
“It has been huge for us to get into that real life network. Contribute by joining. It makes all the difference,” Katja Lawrence wrote.

It is hard to gauge the influence of the “Dissident Homeschool Network,” but in leaked emails from people attempting to join the white nationalist group Patriot Front, applicants list the “Dissident Homeschool” as being “Influential figures, media outlets or platforms.”

The Right Stuff and the National Justice League were described by the Anti-Defamation League as “virulently antisemitic”, while 31 members of Patriot Front were arrested last year inside a U-haul truck on their way to an LGBTQ Pride event in Coeur d’Alene, Idaho, carrying shields and smoke grenades.

Yet Katja attempts to describe these group’s activities as entirely wholesome.

“To dispel some misconceptions: these groups do not encourage or solicit people to commit illegal activities,” Katja wrote. "It is a nice group of wholesome white people getting together for cookouts and such.”
That shit would be shut down in any half-civilised country.
 
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There should be a cut-off date set (in the distant past ideally), after which all Twitter accounts are fixed to private and no one can see what anyone they don't already follow says. And no one is allowed to follow anyone new, only unfollows allowed.
Better yet, complete deletion of accounts followed by hasty retreats into the wilderness to live lives in obscure solitude should certainly help them do numbers. Everyone gets one free complimentary goat each too.
 
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Blood or marrow I can sort of get behind, but combining that, let alone organs from living donors, with the exploitative nature of for profit US prisons seems like a wonderful recipe for some really dystopian shit. And for only one year, at max?
 

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Blood or marrow I can sort of get behind, but combining that, let alone organs from living donors, with the exploitative nature of for profit US prisons seems like a wonderful recipe for some really dystopian shit. And for only one year, at max?
That...even for proposed laws from the US, that's bad.
 

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The hypocrite with kids she blames for messing up their home tells other people how to live their lives. And gets owned by my man Cenk.
 

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The heat this women gets for saying "maybe don't keep stuff for no reason" is insane. It's like she said Dark Souls wouldn't be harmed with an easy mode or something
 
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