Not explicitly, as that would be libel. Do you think it was just spontaneous mass delusion that millions of people think he said to drink bleach?
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If you are suggesting that right-wing sources spread lies to manipulate people, that is true. And should you see me putting my faith in a deception, I would appreciate you correcting my understanding.
If you are suggesting the main stream media doesn't lie or manipulate people.... yeesh.
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You're the most systematic and obvious culprit of it, on this very forum. It's your standard modus operandi (speading implicit hate speech under the line of semi-plausible deniability), so much that it's become tedious pointing it out every time, or responding to it as if it was a good faith conversation.
If you weren't yourself the most dishonest forumer here (or, to be fair, on any forum I've read), and if your double standards weren't that transparent (trying to frame any bad faith nitpick as denounciation of "leftist manipulation" even at the cost of self-contradiction, all while fully, uncritically embracing all extreme-right discourses and fantasies) maybe there would be a conversation to be had about framing, implications, hyperboles and irony. But nope. Not with you. You're a fake.
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So it wasn't a perfect recollection of what the media told them, then. The media reported accurately.
Millions of people think all sorts of foolish nonsense. There were a large number of charlatans during the pandemic peddling dangerous remedies, and the most famous of them was the President. So some people mixed up which particular kind of dangerous snake-oil he suggested? So the fuck what? You can't blame the media headlines, because they literally did not misrepresent what he said-- they reported accurately.
It's that time of week again.
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A white man fatally shoots 3 Black people at a Florida store in a hate crime, then kills himself
The white man who fatally shot 3 at a Jacksonville, Florida, Dollar General was targeting Black people, sheriff says
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JACKSONVILLE, Fla. (AP) — A masked white man fatally shot three Black people inside a Jacksonville, Florida, Dollar General store in a predominately African-American neighborhood on Saturday, in an attack where he used a gun painted with a swastika, officials said. The shooter, who had also posted racist writings, then killed himself.
Jacksonville Sheriff T.K. Waters told a news conference that the attack that left two men and one woman dead was definitely “racially motivated.”
“He hated Black people,” Waters said after reviewing the man’s writings, which were sent to federal law enforcement officials and at least one media outlet shortly before the attack. He added that the gunman acted alone and “there is absolutely no evidence the shooter is part of any larger group.”
Waters said the shooter, who was in his 20s, used a Glock handgun and an AR-15 semi-automatic rifle with at least one of them painted with a swastika. He was wearing a bullet-resistant vest. He said the shooter had once been involved in a 2016 domestic violence incident and was once involuntarily committed to a mental hospital for examination. He did not provide further details on those incidents.
Officials didn’t immediately release the names of the victims or the shooter.
The sheriff said the gunman had left behind in his writings evidence that leads investigators to believe that he committed the shooting because it was the fifth anniversary of when another gunman opened fire during a video game tournament in Jacksonville, killing two people before fatally shooting himself.
The shooting happened just before 2 p.m. at a Dollar General about three-quarters of a mile from Edward Waters University, a small historically Black university.
In a statement, the university said that shortly before the shooting, one of its security officers saw the man near the school’s library and asked him to identify himself. When he refused, he was asked to leave. The man returned to his car.
Sheriff Waters said the man was spotted putting on his vest and mask before leaving. He said it is unknown if he had originally planned to attack the school.
“I can’t tell you what his mindset was while he was there, but he did go there,” the sheriff said.
Edward Waters students were locked down in their dorms for several hours after the shooting. No students or faculty are believed involved, the school said.
The shooter had driven to Jacksonville from neighboring Clay County, where he lived with his parents, the sheriff said. That house was being searched late Saturday.
Shortly before the attack, the shooter sent his father a text message telling him to check his computer. The father found the writings and the family notified 911, but the shooting had already begun, Sheriff Waters said.
“This is a dark day in Jacksonville’s history. There is no place for hate in this community,” the sheriff said. “I am sickened by this cowardly shooter’s personal ideology.” He said the investigation will continue. The FBI was helping the sheriff’s office and said it had opened a hate crime investigation.
Mayor Donna Deegan said she is “heartbroken.”
“This is a community that has suffered again and again. So many times this is where we end up,” Deegan said. “This is something that should not and must not continue to happen in our community.”
Gov. Ron DeSantis, after speaking by phone with the sheriff, called the shooter a “scumbag” and denounced his racist motivation.
“This guy killed himself rather than face the music and accept responsibility for his actions. He took the coward’s way out,” said DeSantis, who was in Iowa campaigning for the Republican presidential nomination.
Both President Joe Biden and Attorney General Merrick Garland were briefed on the shooting, officials said.
Dollar General’s corporate office said in a statement that the company was supporting its Jacksonville employees “as we work closely with law enforcement.”
Virginia Bradford lives in the neighborhood of modest brick and cinder block houses near the store. She frequently shops at the Dollar General, and said she meant to go there Saturday for detergent and bleach, but got sidetracked by other plans.
“That’s my store,” Bradford told reporters, looking past patrol cars with flashing lights blocking the street to the store a block away. “I know everyone in the store. It’s sad.”
Unsettled by the racist killings, Bradford, who is Black, said she doubts she’ll ever go back.
“I won’t even send my kids up there anymore,” she said. “My nerves are bad.”
Penny Jones told The Associated Press in a phone interview that she worked at the store, located a few blocks away from her home, until a few months ago.
“I’m just waiting to hear about my co-workers that I used to work with,” Jones said. “I don’t know if it’s safe to move about the neighborhood.”
Jones added that she was “feeling awkward, scared.”
Jacksonville police officers block the perimeter of the scene of a mass shooting, Saturday, Aug. 26, 2023, in Jacksonville, Fla. (AP Photo/John Raoux)
Rudolph McKissick, a national board member of the Rev. Al Sharpton’s National Action Network, was in Jacksonville on Saturday when the shooting occurred.
“As it began to unfold, and I began to see the truth of it, my heart ached on several levels,” said McKissick, who is a Baptist bishop and senior pastor of the Bethel Church in Jacksonville.
The neighborhood of the shooting is known as Newton. “It’s a Black neighborhood, and what we don’t want is for it to be painted in some kind of light, that it is filled with plight, violence and decadence,” McKissick said.
The shooting took place within hours of the conclusion of a commemorative March on Washington in the nation’s capital, where organizers drew attention to the growing threat of hate-motivated violence against people of color.
Reached by The Associated Press on Saturday evening, march attendee and Jacksonville native Marsha Dean Phelts said learning of the shooting was “a death blow.”
“It hurts,” Phelts said by phone while on a charter bus home from Washington. Many fellow bus riders began hearing about the deadly shooting in their community, just before they all boarded to make the long journey back, she said.
“It’s a neighborhood, a Black community that we come out of,” said Phelts, 79, who is Black. “It’s where our college is, Edward Waters University.”
LaTonya Thomas, 52, who also was riding a charter bus from the march home to Jacksonville, said she wouldn’t allow the shooting to completely dampen her spirits. But she did feel sadness.
“We took this long journey from Jacksonville, Florida, to be a part of history,” she said. “When I was told that there was a white shooter in a predominantly Black area, I felt like that was a targeted situation.”
The attack on a shopping center in a predominately Black neighborhood will undoubtedly evoke fears of past shootings targeting Black Americans, like the one at a Buffalo, New York, supermarket in 2022, and one at a historic African Methodist Episcopal church in Charleston, South Carolina, in 2015.
The Buffalo supermarket shooting, in particular, stands apart as one of the deadliest targeted attacks on Black people by a white lone gunman in U.S. history. Ten people were killed by the gunman, who has been sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole.
The shooting happened one day before the 63rd anniversary of one of Jacksonville’s most notorious racist incidents, “Ax Handle Saturday.” A group of Black protesters were conducting a peaceful sit-in at a city park to protest the Jim Crow laws that kept them out of white-owned stores and restaurants. That’s when they were attacked by 200 members of the Ku Klux Klan, who hit them with bats and ax handles as police stood by.
Only when members of a Black street gang arrived to fight the Klansmen did the police intercede. Only Black people were arrested.
"The article didn't capitalize 'white'! They're the racists!" - one of our resident apologists, eventuallyIt's that time of week again.
A white man fatally shoots 3 Black people at a Florida store in a hate crime, then kills himself
The white man who fatally shot 3 at a Jacksonville, Florida, Dollar General was targeting Black people, sheriff says
The motherfucking coward would kill himself, because he knows he wouldn't be getting out of this. Fucking asshole. Enjoy your stay in hell. No one will mourn you, aside from your fellow racist, but they don't count.It's that time of week again.
A white man fatally shoots 3 Black people at a Florida store in a hate crime, then kills himself
The white man who fatally shot 3 at a Jacksonville, Florida, Dollar General was targeting Black people, sheriff says
As for the victims and those in the neighborhood, no one deserved that at all.
Deflection does not have to be total. Simply diluting the topic serves to diminish negative attention on the target deflected from.
I didn't say "leftist" anything here. I said the media tries to anger people to drive engagement. There's nothing left or right about it, other than perhaps their audience leaning left and being more inclined to dump on the right, but that's not the point.
Ok, fine. If I can't blame the media, it's your fault. Congratulations. I'm glad you're so enthusiastic about being wrong.
You are aware that if you responded like Thaluikhain did, I just hit like on the post and the rest of the point stands. A simple " True, I misquoted him somewhat. " is more than sufficient. You're the one insistent that it's wrong of me to notice.
Good lord, stop being so petty, it's not a good look. I didn't make a mistake. The media didn't report inaccurately. Stop desperately searching for someone else to blame, outside of the morons and charlatans who peddled dangerous non-remedies, a group that includes the former President.
Calls To Poison Centers Spike After The President’s Comments About Using Disinfectants To Treat Coronavirus
Words have consequences. It’s as simple as that, and words coming from the President of the United States matter.
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Accidental Poisonings Increased After President Trump's Disinfectant Comments
Disinfectant poisonings were up as much as 121% in April
Admit the media lied to you. Like, look at this:
Headline: "Accidental Poisonings Increased After President Trump's Disinfectant Comments"Accidental Poisonings Increased After President Trump's Disinfectant Comments
Disinfectant poisonings were up as much as 121% in Apriltime.com
Article: "Even before Trump’s comments, accidental poisonings from bleach and other disinfectants were on the rise from Jan. 1 to March 31 of this year."
Trump made his comments with a week left in April. In May, the rate of accidental poisonings dropped for the first time during the pandemic. It would be more accurate to report that accidental poisonings decreased after President Trump's comments. It's still a silly thing to report without any evidence of a causal relationship, but at least it would be supported by their data.
You're conveniently overlooking the fact that April, when he actually made his comments, saw the largest increase of all-- above Jan, Feb and March.
At the most, you can say that Time doesn't have sufficient evidence to draw a connection, because its not clear when in April those incidences took place. And so its theoretically possible that they overwhelmingly took place before 23rd and then dropped or stayed about static. But most reasonable people would say that an extremely influential person suggesting something, and then that same month seeing a massive increase in incidences of that something, is grounds to draw a connection.
So when you see a graph of a trend that rises steeply to a high point and drops back down over time, do you ever assume the cause is at the high point?
Noone did. The author did not assume that, they laid out the case and concluded that it's hard to pinpoint a cause or if any activity even contributed to a trend, but noted that the numbers showed that the incidents did indeed increase after Trump's comments.
If I were to offer my view, from the numbers it's possible that Trump's comments had absolutely no effect. This was part of a trend which Trump commented on just before it hit its peak, and his contribution was meaningless. From the numbers, it is also possible that Trump's comments had an effect, in that it lead to more people ingesting disinfectants. It's possible that the peak would've been lower and/or would have hit sooner if Trump did not make his comments, since the people that trust his words would've been more likely to follow his suggestion and therefore contributed to a higher number of incidents.
Realistically, human behavior is complicated and statistical trends can have multiple interacting causes. This one, however, is pretty easy to hypothesize. March 2020 is when COVID-19 was declared a pandemic, when US states began to impose quarantines and when the rolling news coverage of the pandemic generally began. The rise in accidental poisonings due to cleaning products is thus partly attributable to the fact that people were suddenly using a lot more cleaning products, but also because people were suddenly being exposed to a huge amount of public discourse, which included a lot of misinformation and contradictory information. Claims to the effect that household cleaning products or bleach could be used as improvised medical treatment were already part of public discourse at the time Trump made his comments. This is what makes those comments particularly irresponsible at a time when there was a particular need for clear and authoritative medical advice to combat misinformation.
Noone is suggesting that Trump intentionally told people to drink bleach out of some kind of malice. It's obvious in context that he was simply regurgitating misinformation he himself had been exposed to during his dementia deep dives into right wing conspiracy twitter. However, in context Trump was the president of the United States acting in an official capacity. It doesn't really matter if he was just asking random questions about possible treatments, because in doing so he implied that these treatments were potentially effective and being investigated by the highest medical authorities in the country, and that context is not going to be lost on anyone.
Because yeah, there was some evidence of a spike in people poisoning themselves by trying to cure COVID-19 with cleaning products in the immediate aftermath of that conference. It doesn't really explain those broader trends over several months, but it is not a particularly risky bet to say that those comments almost certainly did lead to some people poisoning themselves.
More importantly though, those comments would also create a very urgent and immediate need for counter-disinformation. You seem to be mad about the media coverage here, but what exactly do you expect? There's a reason why manufacturers of household cleaning products immediately rushed to issue statements that their products shouldn't be used internally. It's not because they had some nefarious agenda to make the orange man look worse than he supposedly was, it's because they really, really didn't want the PR fallout from people poisoning themselves by drinking or injecting their products. The media going out of their way to discredit the idea is, frankly, one of the few times they seem to have been consistently doing their job, and may well have played a significant role in combating and ultimately lowering the rate of accidental poisonings.