I have to ask, if Aloy were given a male love interest in the FW DLC, would you be phrasing it as "making her straight"?
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We live in a world where 'muscle mommy' is the new standard and people somehow still aren't happy.
No but I still think it would ruin her character. She should have remained asexual. But I do love how you try to demonize normal relationships, as if the popular thing in media hasn't been making everyone as gay as possible and then getting mad at the cisset people for being tired of it.
Also speaking of "cis" you all really dropped the ball on the labeling there when you could have been calling us "cissy or cissies" this whole time. Sad.
NORMAL RELATIONSHIPS? OK, yeah, fuck off with that. You're basically calling me a freak now because I like men and women...or rather, gender just doesn't matter to me as much as personality. I'm done with this argument.
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The villains in the game are Ana and Konstantin.
Jacob is the messiah guy that Lara saves from the gulag where Ana and Konstantin are keeping him prisoner and trying to get info from him about "the source."
Ana kills Jacob at the end of the game.
I explicitly didn't. I said only what you want, not what only you want.
Most of the time, the failures that people attribute to this culture-war shit are actually down to much more fundamental issues: gameplay, a glut in the market, or simply being uninteresting. Most people aren't so driven by culture war nonsense that they swear off a game because a character's tits aren't large enough or their chin isn't the right angle. Most people don't notice that dross.
But youre not supporting what others want. You're saying you want the media others like to not be there.
This hasn't happened. I think it's a bit trite to solely enjoy media with in-your-face sex appeal, but I'm fully on board with it existing. I just want it to exist alongside things I like as well.
You're the one here who's castigating media i enjoy for supposedly trying to "erase masculinity". You are the one in this conversation attributing malice to media i enjoy.
We can have both. That's exactly what I want. But you've been condemning the media I enjoy, and castigating creators who want to do anything different from your preference.
Things you don't like existing is not "forcing" you to like it. The stuff you like already has a massive proportion of the market. You're complaining because other people are being given a small sliver of the same pie.
Oh no, decades of absolute representation of heteronormative values have been slightly disrupted! This is intolerable!
She wasn't asexual. There was no evidence of that. She just didn't have a love interest.
Also, bobmaster asked you if you'd use the same language for straight relationships as you did for gay relationships. So if you think that language is "demonising"-- the same language you used for gay people-- it follows that you consider your own language to be "demonising" gay relationships.
Why should I support what doesn't appeal to me? If there is an audience for that stuff then there would be enough people supporting it to be a success without me. That doesn't mean I don't think that stuff shouldn't be made, they just need to adjust their budgets so that the limited audience they would have can still make the thing successful, rather than trying to force it into the mainstream in which isn't interested in it.
Concord failed, but The First Descendant is doing just fine despite being a bland version of Warframe. Why is that?
That's not what i'm saying. I'm saying to not CHANGE my media, to suit those "others". Make you own things and stop ruining beloved characters and franchises. The problem is....these writers suck and aren't creative enough to invent their own properties with any sort of appeal to anyone, not even their target audience. Instead they are running media properties into the ground as an act of spite.
Well look at that, we CAN agree. Can you also not agree that fucking up existing characters is not a good way to go about this?
I'm complaining that they are taking a shit on MY pie instead of baking their own pie. Why can't they bake their own pie? Oh right, they don't know HOW to bake. But they know how to take big ol' shits though.
In the original game, there are a couple of people expressing romantic interest in her and while she does not really pursue it, she also does not directly reject it. It is left open whether the courting might lead anywhere when stuff has settled down. Probably so that the player can decide for themself. That is close enough.
Meh, she didn't even really have friends. She had people that liked her and wanted to be her friends or more, but she cast them aside to be a lone wolf. There is even a quote, "How can you love this world so much, but nobody in it?" Meaning she would bend over backwards to save the world and everyone in it, but she has no interest in any one person. Thus with no sexuality at all, would that not make her sexual? That was my take on it and I thought it was interesting. Though only in Zero Dawn because she becomes an insufferable asshole in Forbidden West.
You're right, I suppose I can't help my bias in that regard.
I apologize for the language coming off that way, it's just frustrating.
I do still stand by "making Aloy Straight" would be a bad move for her character as well though.
Which would be fine if this was the case and early choices in the game do suggest this is the direction the game might take. But the player is instead never given these options, which allows the writers to keep Aloy's character consistent regardless of player choice, which I think was a good thing despite it being a bad RPG mechanic.
You just said you did. If you're not, then fine, but you were the one who said you did.
You're here arguing that it shouldn't be made.
Mild redesigns of characters, or introducing love interests, are not "changing" the foundations of those franchises. They're regular parts of any new entry.
If you're agreeing with that statement, it's a notable shift from your focus so far, which has been castigating the media i like.
Obviously i think characters shouldn't be "fucked up". But i don't consider a same-sex relationship or an absense of massive tits to be a "fuck up".
Which comes with the territory of being a videogame protagonist.
And who liked any of those exactly?
It's optional. She's still whatever-sexual you want her to be. You also have the option of telling Avad - a straight guy - 'maybe, but not yet'.
Tired of still having the vast majority of representation? The poor dears.
That's just the same myopia she exhibited throughout both games. She did form relationships and connections, albeit strained ones. You read asexuality into it, that's fair, but I certainly didn't.
Fair enough, thank you.
It can be frustrating if you feel the media landscape doesn't cater to you. But then-- I mean, think how I feel? I've been a lot more starved than you, for decades-- and even now, media caters a hell of a lot more to your preferences than it does to mine.
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First off, I apologize for losing my cool a bit earlier. I quite probably took that phrasing as more of a personal attack than I should have. It can be a struggle at times hearing people like my mom talk about how they don't have a problem with gay people, they just don't want to see it "shoved in their faces", where they consider so much as having one too many same-sex couples on the same season of The Amazing Race, or having two women kissing, to fit that description, and I tend to jump to being defensive very quickly.
I also want to point out that with the shows you mentioned, people don't dislike, say, Velma because of Velma being a lesbian, and it's not like non-hetero people like that show because Velma is a lesbian. People generally despise that show because it's an absolutely terrible show, and if anything, non-hetero people hate it even more because of how terrible a representation Velma herself makes.
I also want to point out that with the shows you mentioned, people don't dislike, say, Velma because of Velma being a lesbian, and it's not like non-hetero people like that show because Velma is a lesbian. People generally despise that show because it's an absolutely terrible show, and if anything, non-hetero people hate it even more because of how terrible a representation Velma herself makes.
I'm more apologizing for how I reacted, not for reacting in and of itself. Basically, I could have handled it better or simply just not posted off the cuff.
We weren't even given the chance to like or dislike Batgirl because it got fucking shelved and written of for tax breaks.