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I note from the article:

Anti-Muslim populist Wilders won the most recent election in the Netherlands, but recent polls have shown he has lost support since joining government.

That's why he's done a runner. He's found out what many do: that being in government means being tarred with all the general dissatisfaction people have with the government. It's easy to drum up cheap wins criticising from the sidelines whilst never having to do the difficult stuff of enacting workable policy.

Despite having the plurality, he's been refused the top job due to the distaste of other parties. He might want to "do a Hitler", by which I mean repeatedly destabilise the government until eventually people drop their resistance and agree to let him be Prime Minister.
oh that’s part of it. But the complication is that this is the only coalition Wilders would ever get. So few parties are willing to work with him. The conservative faction of the VVD put their credibility on the line to partner up with the radical and untrustworthy Wilders. They might not be strong enough after this failures to give Wilders another chance, assuming they even want to after this betrayal.

I think the motive for Wilders is more simple. His party thrives on the migration debate. They’re declining not just because of being in government but also because migration itself lost out in relevance compared to Russia’s advance and America’s betrayal of us. But with this Migration will be the electoral issue again.
 
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That's why he's done a runner. He's found out what many do: that being in government means being tarred with all the general dissatisfaction people have with the government. It's easy to drum up cheap wins criticising from the sidelines whilst never having to do the difficult stuff of enacting workable policy.
The hilarious shenanigans surrounding Brexit come immediately to mind, though hardly an isolated example.
 
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The hilarious shenanigans surrounding Brexit come immediately to mind, though hardly an isolated example.
There should be a special place in hell for the Tories of that era.

Boris Johnson was plainly unfit to be PM. Theresa May I think offered him the role of Foreign Secretary in the expectation he would fail and show himself up. He duly obliged: disorganised, dishonest, careless, lazy, incompetent. A string of failures and controversies, and he retreated to the backbenches. Then Johnson manoeuvers May out. Even though every Tory MP knew that he was an utter shambles as Foreign Secretary - disorganised, dishonest, careless, lazy, incompetent - they put him in as PM anyway because he was popular with the public.

Of course, the Tories are currently in hell on earth. Judging by the recent local elections, they're potentially heading for fourth place in national polling. A wipeout of their local government power has potentially removed a key stratum of their ability to campaign for any elections. This could be a landmark wipeout of a major party in the UK, unseen since the Liberal Party was overtaken by Labour after World War I. The only downside is that the party that's really motoring off the back of their collapse is Nigel fucking Farage's Reform party.
 
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There should be a special place in hell for the Tories of that era.

Boris Johnson was plainly unfit to be PM. Theresa May I think offered him the role of Foreign Secretary in the expectation he would fail and show himself up. He duly obliged: disorganised, dishonest, careless, lazy, incompetent. A string of failures and controversies, and he retreated to the backbenches. Then Johnson manoeuvers May out. Even though every Tory MP knew that he was an utter shambles as Foreign Secretary - disorganised, dishonest, careless, lazy, incompetent - they put him in as PM anyway because he was popular with the public.
While we are at it, while Liz Truss is (rightly) mocked for being the shortest serving British PM, she didn't just break that record, she smashed it.

The next shortest British PM (Canning) latest more than twice as long, before unexpectedly dying of pneumonia (a house he owned went on to be deemed the most haunted in the UK, but for unrelated reasons). The one after him, the next next shortest was his successor, and being the emergency replacement for the (then) shortest serving PM who died unexpectedly of pneumonia and the government not lasting.l. The one after that, the next next next shortest, got throat cancer, became unable to speak, retired, and died soon after.

Which, ok, not great, but none of those are particularly shameful reasons to end a Prime Ministership.

The only downside is that the party that's really motoring off the back of their collapse is Nigel fucking Farage's Reform party.
Yeah, that's a rather large cloud to the silver lining.
 

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I take it that's really bad. I am still not familiar with all of the UK's politics or political parties.
It's the latest vehicle for Nigel Farage. Originally he led UKIP, then he created a new party that was more based around him called the Brexit Party (unlike the conventional political party structure it was actually a limited company that he owned controlling shares in). Then he renamed that the Reform Party.

Originally in the UKIP days it was just hard right and Euroskepticism. However, as the far right has grown and the right wing has needed to become more shrill to compete, Farage has also become more extreme. I would call Reform a middling far right party: it's not outright flirting with fascism like Germany's AfD or the old French National Front (forerunner to National Rally), but it's happy to indulge in toxic xenophobia, racism, etc.

While we are at it, while Liz Truss is (rightly) mocked for being the shortest serving British PM, she didn't just break that record, she smashed it.
The Tories have a problem. Their members are doolally: old, fringe, zealous, ideologues. In a leadership contest the Tory MPs pick two choices and the membership get the final say of those two. The problem is that the membership keep wanting a swivel-eyed loon like themselves who will expound their worst Thatcherite and xenophobic vices, and that's who they vote for. The responsibility of the MPs is to stop them selecting someone like that by not offering them one in the first place.

This of course was Boris Johnson's calculation. He's not a swivel-eyed loon (he has very different faults), but he knew any candidate who best appealed to the worst instincts of the party membership would win selection. He supported Brexit not because he believed in it, but because he saw it as a way to force himself into contention as party leader. And if he fucked the country in the process, hey, no biggie for him: narcissists think about themselves, not other people.

Unfortunately, the problem with the party being full of old, zealous ideologues is that these guys also select the MPs, so over time more Tory MPs have become swivel-eyed, zealous ideologues too. Once a substantial chunk of the MPs are like that, they have a nasty tendency to always put one forward in the final two. It absolutely beggars belief that the MPs should have put forward Liz "mad as a box of frogs" Truss, and they got exactly what they deserved. Unfortunately, the rest of the country got it the neck, too.
 
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I honestly find it amazing the far right is still trying to paddle the tale that the public was done a horrific disservice just for measures being put in place to prevent death during a pandemic. Even if we were to say some measures retroactively proved ineffective I'd still rather have government trying something and getting it wrong then the government just marching everyone to sickness and death.

Its not some crime against humanity for a government to fumble during a pandemic and getting some of the things wrong. Its also not some crime against humanity for them to take measures in general.

Tossing away pandemic preparations, convincing the public its just a harmless flue that will get away by spring, or expressing interest in the idea of injecting yourself with bleach(to put it generously) despite knowing you have an easily influenced cult are the actual crimes here.

I'd honestly have more respect if they just admitted they were fine with the bodies of plebs and old people piling up in the streets if that's what it took to get the economy rolling for the shareholders again.
Closing schools was a MASSIVE public harm that no other country did. Why would you have kids wear masks outside? When did that ever make any fucking sense? We could've just followed Sweden, they followed the actual science. Don't tell me to "follow the science" when you're not following the fucking science. Do you know how hard it is to follow the science less than republicans, your team fucking accomplished that feat, congratulations! And you're defending this stuff to this day when you know it was all wrong.

K, but that's not an ethical or moral concern, that's just your preference. Whereas earlier you were decrying it as racism.



Why do you think the Department of Health is commissioning studies if they will affect nothing? Do you think RFK was just put in charge of a toybox and told he has power, whereas actually he's secretary of health in name only?



Or, you could take the message that you shouldn't be so easily suckered by outrage bate, and to be a little more sceptical.
When you are purposefully not hiring a specific race (outside of the obvious exceptions), then that's racism.

Do you know what type of studies it will entail to actually prove those things? They don't have the resources to do those studies and those studies will take longer than RFK Jr is heading the agency for those studies to finish. And if they do actually do those studies, then we will have learned something.

All the stuff I listed happened. Why would it matter that 1 single thing out of 100 things didn't happen when the other 99 definitely did happen? I really don't understand how you can be for the massive public harm that occurred because schools were closed for 18 months. I thought care about people, but I guess, it's only when it's a narrative that your side is telling you.
 

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Closing schools was a MASSIVE public harm that no other country did
Are you dutch? Because we closed our school. Therefore if you're not dutch then your statement of ''no other country did it'' is incorrect.

We could've just followed Sweden, they followed the actual science. Don't tell me to "follow the science" when you're not following the fucking science. Do you know how hard it is to follow the science less than republicans, your team fucking accomplished that feat, congratulations! And you're defending this stuff to this day when you know it was all wrong.
The way I heard it Sweden had a pretty significant death toll. So maybe having the virus run its course is good if you're a rich protected upper class guy who just wants the economy rolling again, but less so when you actually have to live your life in the real world with the plebs.
 
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I hope the annoying myth that ''The left does NOTHING against migration but the right stops it!' dies the painful death it deserves. There simply aren't many, if any left wing parties that explicitly campaign on more migration so the talking point already dies at the literal first hurdle. Meanwhile giving power to the right seems to just make the migration problem worse. We wasted over a year giving Wilders completely free reign on migration and mister anti migration did nothing, his personally appointed minister did absolutely nothing and all attempt to solve migration related problems were sabotaged by the PVV. Abroad Brexit seems to have fixed nothing about migration, and Trump deliberately killed a migration bill just so he can campaign on it. Granted he does at least kidnap people for the crime of being a tad too brown.
 
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obviously not funny, if anyone still taking title literally at this point. quite disturbing, even with joke of the texan police


Jonathan Joss, ‘King of the Hill’ Voice Actor, Is Fatally Shot by Neighbor, Police Say

A neighbor in San Antonio who opened fire on the actor during a dispute was charged with murder, the authorities said. Mr. Joss also appeared in “Parks and Recreation.”

A man with a denim jacket, gray T-shirt and jeans standing in front of a table full of seasoning.

Jonathan Joss in 2021. It was not clear what led to a dispute in which a neighbor fatally shot Mr. Joss. Credit...Derek Storm/Everett Collection/Alamy

Jonathan Joss, the actor best known for his voice work on the animated television show “King of the Hill,” was shot and killed by a neighbor on Sunday night during a dispute in San Antonio, the authorities said.

Mr. Joss, who was 59, voiced John Redcorn on “King of the Hill” and also appeared in “Parks and Recreation,” “Ray Donovan” and “Tulsa King.”

The neighbor, who was identified by investigators as Sigfredo Ceja Alvarez, 56, was taken into custody shortly after the altercation and charged with murder, the San Antonio Police Department said on Monday.

The police did not say what had led to the dispute, which happened around 7 p.m. on the south side of San Antonio.But in a post on Mr. Joss’s Facebook page on Monday, his husband, Tristan Kern de Gonzales, described the shooting as a hate crime and said that the two of them had been repeatedly harassed because they were gay. He wrote that they had returned to a property where Mr. Joss’s home had burned down earlier this year when the shooting occurred.

“He started yelling violent homophobic slurs at us,” he wrote in a statement. “He then raised a gun from his lap and fired.”

Mr. Kern de Gonzales said that he and Mr. Joss had reported the harassment several times in the past to the authorities, but that it had continued.

A police spokesman disputed Mr. Kern de Gonzales’s account about what had motivated the attack.

“Our investigation has found no evidence whatsoever to indicate that Mr. Joss’s murder was related to his sexual orientation,” the spokesman said in a statement. “We take such allegations very seriously and have thoroughly reviewed all available information. Should any new evidence come to light, we will charge the suspect accordingly.”

When officers responded, they found Mr. Joss near the street and attempted lifesaving measures, the Police Department said. Paramedics pronounced him dead when they arrived.

The police referred questions about how many times Mr. Joss had been shot to the Bexar County Medical Examiner’s Office, which did not immediately respond to a request for comment on Monday.

Information on whether Mr. Ceja Alvarez had a lawyer was not immediately available on Monday.

Mr. Joss, who was of Apache and Comanche descent, often played Native American roles during his roughly three-decade acting career.


A cartoon shows a man talking to a woman at a children’s entertainment booth, and a picket fence, balloons and a banner are visible behind them. Over the booth are the words “Manger babies.”

John Redcorn, left, and Luanne on “King of the Hill.” Credit...FOX

His most famous one was the character of John Redcorn on the animated series “King of the Hill,” a Native American masseur and New Age healer who carries on a lengthy affair with Nancy Hicks-Gribble that leads to a baby. He appeared in 34 episodes of the show from 1997 to 2009, according to IMDb, the entertainment database. Mr. Joss was set to return to the role in the show’s upcoming revival, Variety reported, which will premiere on Hulu in August.

From 2011 to 2015, Mr. Joss appeared in five episodes of the NBC sitcom “Parks and Recreation,” as a Native American chief, Ken Hotate.

Mr. Joss also played smaller parts in the movie “True Grit” and the television shows “Walker, Texas Ranger” and “Friday Night Lights."

In January of this year, Mr. Joss lost his home of decades in San Antonio and a dog in a fire, the television station KSAT reported. At the time, he told the station that his home did not have electricity or gas because it had been vandalized and that he may have left something on that caused the fire. He said that he did not have a job.

A fan in San Antonio created a GoFundMe page to raise money for Mr. Joss after the fire, which started to receive new donations after Mr. Joss’s death.

A full list of survivors for Mr. Joss was not immediately available on Monday.

Mr. Joss grew up in San Antonio and received a bachelor’s degree in fine arts from Our Lady of the Lake University there, according to a profile on the college’s website.​
 
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The prime minister having to go on his hands and knees and say this to Wilders and co is kinda funny, but also makes it easy to pity poor Dick Schoof

"Don't do this to me that I have to hear through the press that it's over. I am the Prime Minister, aren't I?", he almost begged the party leaders. Wilders doesn't want to do notify him, but still sullenly admits: "Well, I'll just call him."

''Don't let my cabinet collapse in Wilders' office. At least come and talk to me about it at the Catshuis.''

The poor thing. Having to continually babysit the coalition for over a year, getting no respect from Wilders all the while and then humiliatingly shut out of the fall of his own government
 

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something I get the impression that no matter how many it's said whether by my insignificant ass or someone who ppl actually listen to, it's never really internalised, if understood or believed at all. the police have no legal duty to protect citizens, like at all. something the supreme court has made sure to leave no ambiguity around, throughout history
In April 2025, the Supreme Court declined to hear a case filed by a pair of white supremacists who felt the police had violated their civil rights by refusing to help them put on a rally in Charlottesville in August of 2017. Their lawsuit was a joke, but unfortunately for all of us, the punchline is that the police don't actually have to help anyone.

Sources:
https://www.splcenter.org/resources...ver-wrongful-arrest-and-19-year-imprisonment/

https://www.splcenter.org/resources/hatewatch/leaked-emails-name-shadow-lawyer-charlottesville-case/

https://www.hunton.com/media/publication/34613_final-report-ada-compliant-ready.pdf

https://www.courthousenews.com/attorney-accused-of-neo-nazi-ties-argues-for-new-shot-at-libel-case/

https://www.supremecourt.gov/search.aspx?filename=/docket/docketfiles/html/public/21-5952.html

https://www.supremecourt.gov/search.aspx?filename=/docket/docketfiles/html/public/20-1241.html

https://www.supremecourt.gov/search.aspx?filename=/docket/docketfiles/html/public/24-891.html

https://www.cavalierdaily.com/artic...il-members-call-to-remove-robert-e-lee-statue

https://legacylis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?981+ful+CHAP0752

https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/title15.2/chapter18/section15.2-1812/

https://www.danielshular.com/charlottesville

https://angrywhitemen.org/2021/12/2...le-to-hitler-and-holocaust-denial/#more-54777

https://valawyersweekly.com/2023/05/11/unite-the-right-attendees-suit-vs-officials-dismissed/

https://www.splcenter.org/resources...ion-forms-racist-antisemitic-political-party/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...617f88-f5a4-11e7-b34a-b85626af34ef_story.html

http://decisions.courts.state.ny.us/fcas/fcas_docs/2013JUL/3001010882012002SCIV.pdf

https://www.oyez.org/cases/2004/04-278

https://caselaw.findlaw.com/court/us-4th-circuit/1709128.html

https://caselaw.findlaw.com/court/us-4th-circuit/1336802.html
Julia Steiner, Beware of the Dangers of the State-Created Danger Doctrine: A Look at the Ninth Circuit's Approach, 79 U. Mia. L. Rev. 573 (2025)

https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/67454526/warren-balogh-v-commonwealth-of-virginia/

https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/16058534/conte-v-commonwealth-of-virginia/

https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/9471/robert-turner-v-al-thomas-jr/

https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/16044736/kessler-v-city-of-charlottesville/

https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/66692843/jason-kessler-v-city-of-charlottesville/
 
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When you are purposefully not hiring a specific race (outside of the obvious exceptions), then that's racism.
So you've said, but then it turned out those "obvious exceptions" were just "when it's in favour of a white person and you think it's ok".

Do you know what type of studies it will entail to actually prove those things? They don't have the resources to do those studies and those studies will take longer than RFK Jr is heading the agency for those studies to finish. And if they do actually do those studies, then we will have learned something.
I don't know what point you think you're making, here. Studies are hard and take time, and so therefore it's fine for RFK to falsify data? What?

All the stuff I listed happened.
You just posted photoshops and didn't realise they were photoshops, because you're immensely gullible and susceptible to right-wing outrage bait.
 

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I hope the annoying myth that ''The left does NOTHING against migration but the right stops it!' dies the painful death it deserves. There simply aren't many, if any left wing parties that explicitly campaign on more migration so the talking point already dies at the literal first hurdle. Meanwhile giving power to the right seems to just make the migration problem worse. We wasted over a year giving Wilders completely free reign on migration and mister anti migration did nothing, his personally appointed minister did absolutely nothing and all attempt to solve migration related problems were sabotaged by the PVV. Abroad Brexit seems to have fixed nothing about migration, and Trump deliberately killed a migration bill just so he can campaign on it. Granted he does at least kidnap people for the crime of being a tad too brown.
Over the last few decades too few have defended immigration, and when they have they have done too little. The left have made themselves scarce on the matter, and the right have lazily pandered to anti-immigration sentiment for votes even as their policies said the opposite. Anti-immigration claims have gone unchecked for so long that they are now too deeply ingrained to challenge: even the worst, biggest myths can't be shifted once they are sufficiently entrenched.
 
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I hope the annoying myth that ''The left does NOTHING against migration but the right stops it!' dies the painful death it deserves. There simply aren't many, if any left wing parties that explicitly campaign on more migration so the talking point already dies at the literal first hurdle. Meanwhile giving power to the right seems to just make the migration problem worse.
I can tell you that here in the US, Republicans have loved talking about "getting rid of them furriners" for decades, but then took donations from farmers who didn't actually want all the migrants removed- they just wanted to use "La Migra" as a threat to hold over the heads of their illegal workers to keep them from protesting poor treatment and bad pay. Trump actually walking the walk is absolutely fucking over farmers, because you can be damn well sure that the "they're taking our jerbs" crowd is not remotely interested in taking those farm jobs for the same pay.
 

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Are you dutch? Because we closed our school. Therefore if you're not dutch then your statement of ''no other country did it'' is incorrect.
Also school closures were a thing in Australia as well, so it would also require Australia to be annexed by the dutch or vice versa.

(Somewhat amusingly, when the government of the state of Victoria had lockdowns, the government of the state of New South Wales condemned them and said there'd never be lockdowns there. Then covid hit NSW, and "stay at home orders" were put in place)
 

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There were a lot of countries that closed schools.

And while it is still debated how good a decision that was and whether it should have happened sooner or later here or there or whether it was really needed in addition to vaccination, the idea that the US was the only one is so trivially disprovable that it really showcases that the anti-vaxxer cult does not care about facts at all.
 
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Are you dutch? Because we closed our school. Therefore if you're not dutch then your statement of ''no other country did it'' is incorrect.
I think he just doesn't count you guys as, you know, a "real" county. Or just ignorant that places other than the US did that. One of the two. Probably the latter, but him snubbing the Dutch is much funnier.

Trump actually walking the walk is absolutely fucking over farmers, because you can be damn well sure that the "they're taking our jerbs" crowd is not remotely interested in taking those farm jobs for the same pay.
Those farmers will just have to switch over to H2-A visas, since Trump is actually doing the thing.