Funny events in anti-woke world

[Agema]

Do you not remember them trying to impeach Trump over a pressure campaign against Ukraine, and when we got to see the actual messages between the people allegedly tasked to carry out that campaign, the first discussion they had about it was in response to news reports and basically said "wait, do they think we're doing that? I'm not doing that!"

The argument "Person A in situation X therefore also Person B in situation Y" is a poor one unless you supply strong supporting explanation.

Besides:

I see little reason to believe a UK ambassador has deeper insight into Trump's intentions than his closest subordinates, and I don't see any reason in this era to not think government officials are just reporting what they read online.

in his memo to Mr Johnson, Sir Kim wrote: "The outcome illustrated the paradox of this White House: you got exceptional access, seeing everyone short of the president; but on the substance, the administration is set upon an act of diplomatic vandalism, seemingly for ideological and personality reasons - it was Obama's deal."

Secondly, I think you're seriously misleading us to the point of dishonesty to claim that the people who where were saying "I'm not doing that" over Ukraine were Trump's "closest subordinates".

 

[XsjadoBlayde]

Making a law that allows Christians to still be antisemetic while banning criticism of Israel government's war crimes is the whole fucking problem summarised in a neat, depressing, disturbing systemic creepshuffle towards fascism - it was never about protecting Jewish ppl, that was utterly blatantly sodding obvious to anyone observant to human rights abuses and the way far right groups work...if it wasn't fucking clear when psychopath reactionary RW "Christians" like Josh kuntface Hawley call leftist/anti+zionist and even Zionist Jews "anti-Semitic" for calling out American and Israel for breaking international and their own laws to punish anyone daring to question the ongoing horrors.

this is about evangelical Christian power and American/western colonial power, Jewish people DID NOT CREAT ISRAEL, THEY EXISTED FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS LONG BEFORE WESTERN CHRISTIAN NATIONS DREW THOSE BORDERS FROM WW1 TO WW2, THE ONLY JEWISH MP IN UK PARLIAMENT, EDWIN MONTAGU, EVEN SPOKE OUT AGAINST THIS AT THE TIME - IT IS ANTISEMETIC TO KEEP CONFLATING THE STATE OF ISRAEL WITH ALL JEWISH PEOPEL, FUCKING STOP IT JUST FUCKING STOP BEING A GENOCIDE-DEFENDING SOCIOPATHIC DEAD-EYED KUNT BEFORE YOUR SOUL SLIPS FOREVER INTO THE VOID - WE SEEN YOU IGNORE ALL THE REAL ANTISEMITISM EVERYWHERE ELSE FOR DECADES WE SEEN YOU IGNORE ELON MUSK NURTURE HIS NAZI SITE WE SEEN YOU IGNORE THE SEIG HEILING MOTHERFUCKERS AND THEIR MEDIA LAUNDERING OF QANON, YOU FOOL NO-ONE BUT YOURSELF - wake the fucking fuck up

 

[Hades]

Seems Britain is the funny event in anti woke world after the recent local election. The Brits really went ''Okay! I know it went horrible when we trusted Farage LAST time....but what if we vote for him THIS time?''

You'd think that after over a decade of Brexit chaos they'd learn from their mistake.

 

[Phoenixmgs]

And then you made lots of other claims, such as that there won't be any blanket tariffs.

And you asked us to tell you when they happened.

Then they happened, and we told you, as you had requested. And now you're whining that we did what you asked.

You gonna admit that you were wrong about seed oils being better than butter or say that the people Trump has deported weren't protected residents as you've claimed?

So we are making up what DEI means now?

A good actor got a role. You being worried about their skin colour is a you problem

I'm not worried about skin color, have I ever complained about Ariel being black or other race swaps? Although the Cleopatra one was hilariously bad. I just find them overall annoying when you can call the race swap before they even cast the role. If Disney made a polar bear movie, they'd probably make the bears black at this point. I've only seen Zegler in Y2K.

Do you have a source on that being an aspect they considered in the casting process?

Don't get me wrong, the diversity displayed amongst the circus workers in the Dumbo remake was enough that a reviewer I watch claimed that it was probably produced under a ton of studio notes, so I wouldn't put it past Disney to do that, but do you have a source?

You can pretty much call/bet the race swap with Disney, the only thing they don't swap are roles that are already "diverse". In the latest Peter Pan, The Lost Boys had to have girls too. Same thing in video games when you used to be able to bet the the protagonist would be a white dude with short hair. Any one instance taken alone isn't much proof, but when you have a massive trend, it's very telling.

RFK Jr plans placebo-trial testing for 'all new vaccines'

Experts are alarmed by plans to require placebo testing for already approved shots like the covid vaccine.

www.bbc.com

The HHS is planning placebo trials for new vaccines. These were previously disallowed due to the obvious ethical problem-- a subset of people seeking vaccines will be misled, given nothing effective, and left unprotected against the disease intentionally.

I've also enjoyed reading Paul Offit's blog about the RFK Jr. confirmation, particularly since a fellow forumite is both a big fan of Offit and a frequent defender of RFK Jr. Offit calls him a liar, a sandbagger, spreading dangerous misinformation. Good stuff.

The RFK Jr. Playbook

Deny excellent studies, promote poor studies, and call anyone who disagrees with you a shill for Big Pharma

pauloffit.substack.com

Your side has done more harm for vaccines than the anti-vaxxers could ever do. Forcing a pointless vaccine on so many and then doubling down and sneaking it into the childhood vaccination schedule is why vaccine hesitancy has increased.

Deborah Birx (the other doctor front and center with Fauci) admitted all the vaccine lies as they didn't actually follow the science, they "followed the science".

I don't have any disagreement that RFK Jr is an idiot with vaccines but he's not gonna change vaccine policy so I don't really care.

 

[Hades]

Although the Cleopatra one was hilariously bad.

I suppose a black Cleopatra does rather miss the point. It might be tempting to see Roman expansion into Africa as a precursor of western colonization and thus emphasis Cleopatra's 'Egyptianness' as some sort of resistance against said colonization. Understandably if someone sees the world through that lens, but very wrong since Cleopatra herself was the head of a ''colonial'' regime. As such she's more the source of any precursion of colonialism than the resistance to it.

Cleopatra was a Greek(or Macedonian if you prefer) who came from an incest loving family so there's little room for any black ancestry to get in there. Still while I somewhat agree with the far right on this I do suspect historical accuracy isn't exactly their problem about a black Cleopatra. Even on this subject where we're somewhat in agreement I don't see them as being on my side.

Cleopatra is a good case study since she's practically never depicted accurately. The latest movie where she was black didn't depict her as a Greek queen but....well what media DOES? In about everything she's in Cleopatra's always far more a Pharaoh then a Greek queen. Also as far as race goes Greeks and Romans being played by white Brits as seemingly a rule doesn't really reflect their ethnicity either. ''Anglo saxons'' as Romans and Greeks are accepted because they are seen as the foundation of western civilization which white north European looking people see themselves as (and admittingly are seen as) the flagbearers of. But this argument does cut both ways. if white Romans are accepted because it highlights their westernness, then a black Cleopatra can be artistically justified if you highlight how much of an African she is. Which I think is a silly thing to do, but I can get the sentiment.

And sure it irritates me when Ptolemaic Egypt isn't Ptolemaic Egypt but a black Cleopatra doesn't irritate me particularly more then what HBO Rome or the original Rome Total war did with the place.

 

[Trunkage]

Funny how her skin is never actually white as snow, just white as caucasian.

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I mean, it's true....

But the problem is that those who complains about DEI say that lesser quality POC are getting picked over white people for jobs.

When they complain about the new Snow White, they aren't saying the actor is terrible and got the job as they were a POC. They are just complaining about skin tone.

Snow White is bad because it's clearly two movies stitched together as they stretched a 40 min thing into a movie. And CGI. Disney needs to pay and treats it's CGI peeps better.

 

[Trunkage]

I'm not worried about skin color, have I ever complained about Ariel being black or other race swaps? Although the Cleopatra one was hilariously bad. I just find them overall annoying when you can call the race swap before they even cast the role. If Disney made a polar bear movie, they'd probably make the bears black at this point. I've only seen Zegler in Y2K.

Do you have any evidence that Zeigler was picked over another person due to her skin tone? Her existing in a movie is not evidence

If not, it's not DEI or forced diversity.

You can pretty much call/bet the race swap with Disney, the only thing they don't swap are roles that are already "diverse". In the latest Peter Pan, The Lost Boys had to have girls too. Same thing in video games when you used to be able to bet the the protagonist would be a white dude with short hair. Any one instance taken alone isn't much proof, but when you have a massive trend, it's very telling.

Most old shows, books and movie were misogynistic and rascist because they refused to put women or POC into them

We aren't going to follow 1950s racial laws or 1920s anti-women laws or Jim Crowe just to make a book, movie or show more accurate.

Today, white short haired men are significantly favored over everyone else. Still. Even with the trend your pointing to.

 

[Trunkage]

I suppose a black Cleopatra does rather miss the point. It might be tempting to see Roman expansion into Africa as a precursor of western colonization and thus emphasis Cleopatra's 'Egyptianness' as some sort of resistance against said colonization. Understandably if someone sees the world through that lens, but very wrong since Cleopatra herself was the head of a ''colonial'' regime. As such she's more the source of any precursion of colonialism than the resistance to it.

Cleopatra was a Greek(or Macedonian if you prefer) who came from an incest loving family so there's little room for any black ancestry to get in there. Still while I somewhat agree with the far right on this I do suspect historical accuracy isn't exactly their problem about a black Cleopatra. Even on this subject where we're somewhat in agreement I don't see them as being on my side.

Cleopatra is a good case study since she's practically never depicted accurately. The latest movie where she was black didn't depict her as a Greek queen but....well what media DOES? In about everything she's in Cleopatra's always far more a Pharaoh then a Greek queen. Also as far as race goes Greeks and Romans being played by white Brits as seemingly a rule doesn't really reflect their ethnicity either. ''Anglo saxons'' as Romans and Greeks are accepted because they are seen as the foundation of western civilization which white north European looking people see themselves as (and admittingly are seen as) the flagbearers of. But this argument does cut both ways. if white Romans are accepted because it highlights their westernness, then a black Cleopatra can be artistically justified if you highlight how much of an African she is. Which I think is a silly thing to do, but I can get the sentiment.

And sure it irritates me when Ptolemaic Egypt isn't Ptolemaic Egypt but a black Cleopatra doesn't irritate me particularly more then what HBO Rome or the original Rome Total war did with the place.

The uproar about black Cleo is funny becuase the skin tone they whinge about was as accurate as most previous movie portrayal of Cleo.

I.e. they weren't accurate at all.

 

[Silvanus]

You gonna admit that you were wrong about seed oils being better than butter or say that the people Trump has deported weren't protected residents as you've claimed?

Nope, we're discussing tariffs right now. You're the one who brought tariffs back up, and now you're desperately trying to shift the topic off them?

I don't know how you're not embarrassed when this stuff happens. You post a link, it's immediately pointed out that it contradicts you explicitly... and then you just say "yeah well what about [unrelated topic]"? Maybe you are embarrassed, I suppose I can't tell.

Your side has done more harm for vaccines than the anti-vaxxers could ever do. Forcing a pointless vaccine on so many and then doubling down and sneaking it into the childhood vaccination schedule is why vaccine hesitancy has increased.

Paul Offit disagrees. Why are you disagreeing with a world-renowned expert of his calibre?

 

[Thaluikhain]

Cleopatra was a Greek(or Macedonian if you prefer) who came from an incest loving family so there's little room for any black ancestry to get in there. Still while I somewhat agree with the far right on this I do suspect historical accuracy isn't exactly their problem about a black Cleopatra. Even on this subject where we're somewhat in agreement I don't see them as being on my side.

There's actually some disagreement there, source historians think she may have had (some) recent black ancestry, and thus by some metrics being black, in that she was only mostly Macedonian Greek.

Whether she was Greek or Macedonian...that can actually cause more outrage, because two modern peoples exist that call themselves by those names, and they don't get on. Or at least this was the case some 15 or so years ago when I was at university.

 

[crimson5pheonix]

 

[Kwak]

America's descent into full-blown madness continues.

 

[Chimpzy]

America's descent into full-blown madness continues.

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I can't think of any better choice for pontiff than Trump tho. Just imagine it bringing the same kind of inspired leadership to the church as it does to the US. How wonderful that would be.

 

[Trunkage]

There's actually some disagreement there, source historians think she may have had (some) recent black ancestry, and thus by some metrics being black, in that she was only mostly Macedonian Greek.

Whether she was Greek or Macedonian...that can actually cause more outrage, because two modern peoples exist that call themselves by those names, and they don't get on. Or at least this was the case some 15 or so years ago when I was at university.

Ah, not as much anymore, mainly because they changed the name to North Macedonia and the Greeks kept the province of Macedonia. It was more of an elite fight over the word. Most people didn't care

 

[Silvanus]

Similar situation to Canada in Australia?

As recently as March, the conservative Liberal-National coalition was leading in the polls. Now there's been a very quick reversal of fortunes and the Labor Party is winning something of a landslide. Once again the conservative leader loses his seat.

Australian commentators have said Trump is a background factor but less impactful in Australia than in Canada. Still, these are two enormous reversals in a matter of months. Is Trump poisonous to the global perception of populist conservatism?

 

[The Rogue Wolf]

America's descent into full-blown madness continues.

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No, that can't be real, because the cross hasn't burst into flames.

 

[Hades]

The AFD has officially been labeled as an extremist party. For some reason the MAGA extremist including that piece of filth Vance think that going to bat for them will make the AFD look better.

There's no better way to look like am extremist then if MAGA and that piece of filth Vance come to your defense.

 

[Agema]

As recently as March, the conservative Liberal-National coalition was leading in the polls. Now there's been a very quick reversal of fortunes and the Labor Party is winning something of a landslide. Once again the conservative leader loses his seat.

Australian commentators have said Trump is a background factor but less impactful in Australia than in Canada. Still, these are two enormous reversals in a matter of months. Is Trump poisonous to the global perception of populist conservatism?

There are some differences, however. The Australian conservative leader, Dutton, is reckoned to have run an extraordinarily poor election campaign. Poilievre however ran what was considered a good campaign... until Trump spectacularly dynamited it.

But I think this is the issue with the far right: they tend to be very nationalist. They prop each other up, swap numbers and take selfies with each other when they've all got a bigger enemy, but once they're in the hot seat they inevitably do nationalist stuff like shit on other countries. The music stops and the leaders without a seat are out of the game, because voters notice that a few months ago they were palling around and joking with the foreign leader who's now treating their country like shit.

 

[meiam]

There are some differences, however. The Australian conservative leader, Dutton, is reckoned to have run an extraordinarily poor election campaign. Poilievre however ran what was considered a good campaign... until Trump spectacularly dynamited it.

But I think this is the issue with the far right: they tend to be very nationalist. They prop each other up, swap numbers and take selfies with each other when they've all got a bigger enemy, but once they're in the hot seat they inevitably do nationalist stuff like shit on other countries. The music stops and the leaders without a seat are out of the game, because voters notice that a few months ago they were palling around and joking with the foreign leader who's now treating their country like shit.

So Poilievre campaign itself wasn't particularly good, but he put in a lot of ground work over the last year to really make the previous prime minister unpopular, and that worked very well for him. But 1) the last prime minister resigned (and actually did really well in his last couple of week in office), and then 2) Trump happened.

Poilievre is very different than Trump, but he courted the MAGA like vote in Canada and was heavily supported by it. Once Trump started his trade war and annexation threat, his response to this was very weak, borderline sycophant (and the province that always vote for his party has a provincial leader that's hardcore sycophant/Trump fanatic, which really didn't help the party image). While the previous prime minister and the current one took a much harder line against it. The current prime minister also has a strong CV, was essentially unassociated with the previous governement and a few years ago would have fit perfectly well as the leader of the conservative (before they went MAGA).

This actually didn't make Poilievre unpopular with people who were already going to vote for him, he got one of the best results his party ever had. But everybody who wasn't supporting him then rallied around the liberal party and heavily voted for them. Most minor party support completely collapsed as a results as people strategically voted for them.

It really was one of the strangest election we've ever had.

 

[Gergar12]

The AFD has officially been labeled as an extremist party. For some reason the MAGA extremist including that piece of filth Vance think that going to bat for them will make the AFD look better.

There's no better way to look like am extremist then if MAGA and that piece of filth Vance come to your defense.

Good, the AFD is a foreign-funded entity, and the solution to intolerance should always be to confront it before they move the Overton window and get victimhood recognition.

Edit:

Germany's far-right AfD party officially classified as 'extremist' organisation

A 1,000-page report by Germany's domestic intelligence agency says views around ethnicity held by the AfD aim to exclude certain groups from equal participation in society.

news.sky.com

Slow-walking the stopping of fascism is almost always a bad idea. That's how you get J6, Trump, Bolsonaro, Putin, Modi, etc.