Funny events in anti-woke world

[thebobmaster]

Society should support any woman who of her own free decision wants to become a mother. It should also support any woman who of her own free decision does not want to become a mother.

Thus I am perfectly happy for Brett Cooper to be a wife and mother. Her life, her choice. However, if she wants to shame and abuse women who do not want to be wives and mothers, encourage others in society to join in that shaming and abuse, support political movements that want to restrict women who have other ideas, then she can go fuck herself.

Feminism as a whole has put a lot of thought into what women can do. Much of this has been thinking about how they could be something other than than a wife and mother, obviously because that has been the novelty that has needed most investigation and consideration. But it's really just a right wing straw man to think that feminism has ever been about telling women not to be a wife and/or mother.

There have been some more "hardcore", for want of a better word, feminists who do seem to promote the latter, with one of the big ones coming to mind being Gloria Steinem (who, incidentally, is being parodied in the Family Guy clip posted as I was typing this up, thanks BrawlMan), but for the vast majority, what you said is definitely true. It's just that the louder/more extreme voices on either side tend to get heard the easiest by those who want to dismiss them.

I say that as someone who considers himself a feminist. As well as being very much in the Spike from Cowboy Bebop camp when it comes to strong women characters, but that's a different story.

 

[Satinavian]

There have been some more "hardcore", for want of a better word, feminists who do seem to promote the latter

Every single movement that is big enough has its share of utter idiots. And because they are easy targets, they are often used to attack such movement by generalizing their statements.

Usually i don't care for "someone has written something stupid on twitter" unless the person in question is verxy powerful or gets wide agreement.

 

[Gordon_4]

Every single movement that is big enough has its share of utter idiots. And because they are easy targets, they are often used to attack such movement by generalizing their statements.

Usually i don't care for "someone has written something stupid on twitter" unless the person in question is verxy powerful or gets wide agreement.

Gloria Steinem is before Twitter's time and was legitimately big when you had to put yourself in front of news cameras and be on stages in front of people to speak your message and convince them face to face to believe in it. Typing a screed on reddit or a pithy statement on Twitter can get a ton of engagement but its almost entirely conversational; almost passive. Steinem cut her teeth in the 60s and 70s and got people's blood up good and proper.

There have been some more "hardcore", for want of a better word, feminists who do seem to promote the latter, with one of the big ones coming to mind being Gloria Steinem (who, incidentally, is being parodied in the Family Guy clip posted as I was typing this up, thanks BrawlMan), but for the vast majority, what you said is definitely true. It's just that the louder/more extreme voices on either side tend to get heard the easiest by those who want to dismiss them.

I say that as someone who considers himself a feminist. As well as being very much in the Spike from Cowboy Bebop camp when it comes to strong women characters, but that's a different story.

For some reason whenever I think of that flavour of feminism the name that pops into my head is always Andrea Dworkin.

 

[Thaluikhain]

For some reason whenever I think of that flavour of feminism the name that pops into my head is always Andrea Dworkin.

A lot of the more outlandish stuff attributed to Dworkin wasn't actually said by her, though, she got smeared pretty hard, and people keep repeating misinformation about her.

 

[Agema]

There have been some more "hardcore", for want of a better word, feminists who do seem to promote the latter, with one of the big ones coming to mind being Gloria Steinem (who, incidentally, is being parodied in the Family Guy clip posted as I was typing this up, thanks BrawlMan), but for the vast majority, what you said is definitely true. It's just that the louder/more extreme voices on either side tend to get heard the easiest by those who want to dismiss them.

I don't think that's true, I doubt Steinem advocated that it was wrong for women to have children.

I think a lot of feminists of that era aggressively encouraged women to pursue their dreams, and to not feel pressured into having children. I think they wanted to encourage a lot of women to make a statement and show society women could want to be something other than a wife/mother, and make a success of it. Of course this is how it was, because in a era of vastly greater sexism, there was correspondingly greater drive to fight for their rights and opportunities.

I think a lot of this sort of thing has been characterised as rejecting mothers and motherhood by antifeminists, because it's a damn sight easier than engaging with the truth.

 

[Schadrach]

Not usually a fan of him, but YouTube threw a right wing cartoon at me whose schtick is gender-flipping women complaining about tradwife stuff and how it would sound:

It's fascinating you should pick on Eve and Lady MacBeth: have you not noticed that they are villains of their stories?

You could make an argument that the only character in many stories with any real agency is the villain. Typically the hero is primarily a reaction to the villain, pushed into action in response to the villain expressing their agency unfettered. I'd question Eve as the villain of the garden of eden - I'd give that title to the serpent.

 

[Chimpzy]

US grants asylum to 54 white Afrikaner South Africans, reports say

Donald Trump has directed officials to grant refugee status to Afrikaners who he claims suffer discrimination

www.theguardian.com

District Nein

 

[Thaluikhain]

US grants asylum to 54 white Afrikaner South Africans, reports say

Donald Trump has directed officials to grant refugee status to Afrikaners who he claims suffer discrimination

www.theguardian.com

District Nein

On the other hand, seems like a win for South Africa, getting to dump some probably nasty people on El Salvador the US.

 

[Agema]

I'd question Eve as the villain of the garden of eden - I'd give that title to the serpent.

The serpent is the main villain, yes; Eve is in ways a victim.

But she's also a villain. There is the symbolism that the serpent targets Eve rather than Adam, and thus that she is the one to fall, who then tempts him. It's also worth considering Greek myth which is very similar - frankly, in essence it's really the same story. After mankind is given fire by Prometheus, Zeus punishes mankind by giving the first woman, Pandora, a box filled with evil, and instructing her not to open it. Of course she does open it out of curiosity, and unleashes evil upon the world.

Eve is thus not necessarily malicious, and not always portrayed negatively. But irrespective, right from the off, women are portrayed as agents of men's ruin and through them humans have suffering and evil.

You could make an argument that the only character in many stories with any real agency is the villain.

I could speculate this is because villains are often disruptors of an otherwise peaceful or orderly situation. But to be a disruptor requires a particular set of motivations, actions, etc. outside the norm, which may appear like greater agency. And yes, therefore, they are also likely to compel the hero to be reactive.

 

[Phoenixmgs]

Having a look for myself. According to IMDB the top 2024 films by box office returns were;

Inside Out 2 (white girl)
Deadpool & Wolverine (2 white men)
Moana 2 (Polynesian girl)
Despicable Me 4 (white man)
Wicked (green woman played by a black woman)
Dune Part 2 (white man)
Mufasa: The Lion King (lion)
Godzilla x Kong (apart from Kong & Godzilla, main human character is a white woman)
Kung Fu Panda 4 (panda)
Sonic the Hedgehog 3 (apart from Sonic, the main human characters are 2 white men)

So yeah, if you exclude Mufasa and Kung Fu Panda, 4/8 star white men, and 6/8 star white people. That's more representation for white men and white people than those demographics actually make up in America. So minorities are underrepresented, not over.

They are in Disney remakes, which was what I said.

 

[BrawlMan]

They are in Disney remakes, which was what I said.

You're full of shit and delilusion as usual. So what's your point?/rhetorical

 

[Silvanus]

They are in Disney remakes, which was what I said.

K, in which case your sample size is 1. Mufasa.

But I thought you were arguing against Trunkage's point about the box office in general.

 

[The Rogue Wolf]

US grants asylum to 54 white Afrikaner South Africans, reports say

Donald Trump has directed officials to grant refugee status to Afrikaners who he claims suffer discrimination

www.theguardian.com

District Nein

Deport brown people; import white people.

 

[XsjadoBlaydette]

US grants asylum to 54 white Afrikaner South Africans, reports say

Donald Trump has directed officials to grant refugee status to Afrikaners who he claims suffer discrimination

www.theguardian.com

District Nein

was wondering when people were gonna finally notice this, been trying to bring it up on various occasions to nowt but deaf ears. it's even darker than the headline cos the white south Africans have been wanting weapons and money so they can remain in south Africa and violently carve out a new ethnostate, and have been outspoken about disappointment of just getting this "half measure" fast-tracked immigration with the barest minimum of vetting instead - (also it's being justified through the conspiracy theory that white farmers are being genocided over there, in case anyone was starting to think this wasn't fucked up enough) - add to that the diplomat has already been banned from America by the trump admin for daring to call any of this out, it would seriously behove behoooooove those curious to look further into this than the headline, cos that's presenting an extremely sanitised whitewashed overview of the situation


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In this installment, Dan and Jordan tune in to learn all about the new pope from Alex and his weird Illuminati friend Leo, the self-professed mastermind behind the 9/11 attacks.

 

[tstorm823]

Feminism as a whole has put a lot of thought into what women can do.

Feminism has put a lot of thought into many things. Not all thoughts are worth having. Rationalism is a mistake.

 

[Trunkage]

Apparently, the 2020 Census includes Latino and Hispanic people, as well as middle Eastern, north African and Arabic people as White.

Yeah, I saw two graphs with US citizens with European ancestry separated from Latinos, etc, and one with them together. Hence, my question is because, as always, you gotta look at the definition of the word (white in this case).

This is not Phoenixmgs normal 'not using words properly' so you should check on their definition. Other people use the word white differently. Also, if you go to different years, you could also get a similar result. Alternatively, he could have just misrepresented what others people were claiming because he does that regularly

As you calculated, white people, particularly men, are over represented. I'll note I put Kung Fu Panda in white as it's Jack Black but cutting it from the list is fine. And Mufasa actor isn't white. Hence, my calculations were different. So I could refined my definition here, too

I would note that most of the lead actors aren't north Africa, Arab or Latino as far as I'm aware. Someone's trying to juice those numbers

 

[Trunkage]

It's literally the first Google result when searching "white population in us".

White Americans - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Yeah, as stated above. These number are including people that would not normally be classed as white. Hence me asking about Latinos

 

[Trunkage]

Feminism has put a lot of thought into many things. Not all thoughts are worth having. Rationalism is a mistake.

While I can categorically stated that seeing the world down one lens warps your view, not looking down the lens sometimes is a bigger mistake

Eg. Ideologies are like chocolate. Having a bit it fine, having a lot makes you sick. Rationalism is not a mistake. Only doing rationalism is a mistake. The same with Capitalism, Communism, Conservatism and Progressivism.

See also: Protectionism. Trump has gone from relatively reasonable Protectionism to warped Protectionism that is hurting everyone including himself

 

[Gergar12]

Hysterical town hall attendee interrupts AOC, yells about 'genocide' in Gaza: 'You're a liar!'

A hysterical protester yelling about the “genocide" in Gaza interrupted a district town hall event being held by Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-N.Y., shortly after it began on Friday night.

www.foxnews.com

That said, it's pretty funny.

 

[Agema]

Feminism has put a lot of thought into many things. Not all thoughts are worth having.

In that there is some truth.

The exploration of ideas results in some dead ends and errors. So it is with all human knowledge: many scientific theories and hypotheses have been inaccurate along the way, likewise many philosophies, or ideas of economics, sociology, law etc. The principle is that, over time, the errors or the less useful aspects are gradually weeded out or worn away.

Rationalism is a mistake.

It takes religion to hard-bake dead-ends and errors into belief for eternity.