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Whilst no-one wants to help paedophiles (except paedophiles), I am increasingly concerned that people making loud noises about stopping paedophiles are more likely to be making excuses for taking away everyone's freedoms than actually stopping paedophiles.
Anyone claiming to be "protecting the children" who isn't talking about food, housing, education, or medicine is most likely full of shit.
 
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Whilst no-one wants to help paedophiles (except paedophiles), I am increasingly concerned that people making loud noises about stopping paedophiles are more likely to be making excuses for taking away everyone's freedoms than actually stopping paedophiles.
That and a good number of those are likely pedo's themselves.
 

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The Republicans could just increase the debt limit in a non-partisan fashion. "The bill proposes we increase the debt ceiling $2 trillion, no conditions attached, go vote". It would almost certainly pass.
That is almost precisely what they did, just that this is a budget argument rather than a debt ceiling. Their continuing resolution was to fund the government the same as prior. The Democrats have voted against just staying the course, and are demanding provisions be added to extend or reinstate temporary measures from the pandemic. If taken as a statement on policy, their votes against would say that we must agree to make pandemic response permanent healthcare policy immediately (as they'd have the same opportunity in like 2 months) or it's better to not fund the government at all.

Or maybe it's just politics and they think they can tank the Republicans' approval...
 

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But who's fault is that? Even if we take the most cynical take its still Republicans who insists on having an at best very murky view on healthcare despite this not even being very popular or rational.
It's not about healthcare at all, if Democrats weren't more popular on healthcare, they would pick a different demand and do the same thing.
 

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The Democrats have voted against just staying the course, and are demanding provisions be added to extend or reinstate temporary measures from the pandemic. If taken as a statement on policy, their votes against would say that we must agree to make pandemic response permanent healthcare policy immediately (as they'd have the same opportunity in like 2 months) or it's better to not fund the government at all.
Specifically it calls for repealing the changes to Medicaid/Medicare made by the One Big Beautiful Bill.
 

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That is almost precisely what they did, just that this is a budget argument rather than a debt ceiling. Their continuing resolution was to fund the government the same as prior. The Democrats have voted against just staying the course, and are demanding provisions be added to extend or reinstate temporary measures from the pandemic. If taken as a statement on policy, their votes against would say that we must agree to make pandemic response permanent healthcare policy immediately (as they'd have the same opportunity in like 2 months) or it's better to not fund the government at all.

Or maybe it's just politics and they think they can tank the Republicans' approval...
Don't some 20-odd million people rely on that policy...

God forbid Republicans actually try and help out working class citizens by throwing them a bone.
 

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Don't some 20-odd million people rely on that policy...
I don't know the number, but no. It'd be 20-odd million people who are too healthy to qualify as disabled, too young to have Medicare, and make too much money for Medicaid having insurance paid for them while being unlikely to have major medical expenses to ever actually benefit, so most of the money ends up in corporate profits.
 

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I don't know the number, but no. It'd be 20-odd million people who are too healthy to qualify as disabled, too young to have Medicare, and make too much money for Medicaid having insurance paid for them while being unlikely to have major medical expenses to ever actually benefit, so most of the money ends up in corporate profits.
I fear you do not understand how insurance works. Everyone pays into a pot, and then the pot pays for anyone who needs it.

The pot therefore needs to take in enough money to cover the claims (plus administration and profit). Therefore, if the claims stay the same but more people pay for coverage, what actually happens is that the cost of coverage per person decreases.
 

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And the left just a few years ago did the single most damaging thing to children in our lifetime and no one on the left complained...
You're rignt. Thousands of kids died to Covid. They should have done greater lockdowns and controls to protect more children
 

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It's not about healthcare at all, if Democrats weren't more popular on healthcare, they would pick a different demand and do the same thing.
They had the opportunity to do this earlier this year and didnt take it so this holds no water
 

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I fear you do not understand how insurance works. Everyone pays into a pot, and then the pot pays for anyone who needs it.

The pot therefore needs to take in enough money to cover the claims (plus administration and profit). Therefore, if the claims stay the same but more people pay for coverage, what actually happens is that the cost of coverage per person decreases.
If you want to call the Dems nefarious, it would be better to call this out for what it is. The Dems are protecting hospitals so they don't shut down which you could say is making them corporate stooges

The 1BBB is partly a response to the tariffs and gives massive subsidies to farmers. The recent stop gap funding for farmers is to cover the shortfall between the tariffs being applied and 1BBB taking effect for farmers. The problem is that most of this money is going to big farming companies and not to mum and pop farms and most of them will shut down within a year to be bought up by the big companies

The same thing will probably happen with the Dems proposal for hospitals. Most funding will go to big conglomerates and the better quality hospitals will die off
 

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If you want to call the Dems nefarious, it would be better to call this out for what it is. The Dems are protecting hospitals so they don't shut down which you could say is making them corporate stooges

The same thing will probably happen with the Dems proposal for hospitals. Most funding will go to big conglomerates and the better quality hospitals will die off
Oh certainly. It's been a way for a long time that powerful private actors exploit the system to benefit themselves. One of the biggest problems with the ACA is that it although it improved healthcare access for millions of Americans, it didn't address massive systemic problems in the healthcare system.

But then, it was the total intransigence of which party made it impossible to carry out wider reforms? That would be the Republicans. (And subsequently, the Republican plans for US healthcare have amounted to literally nothing other than dismantling the ACA.)

And in a way, this sums up the USA.
 

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I fear you do not understand how insurance works. Everyone pays into a pot, and then the pot pays for anyone who needs it.

The pot therefore needs to take in enough money to cover the claims (plus administration and profit). Therefore, if the claims stay the same but more people pay for coverage, what actually happens is that the cost of coverage per person decreases.
I fear you don't understand how health insurance works in America... the insurers all collude to make things artificially expensive so that they never have to lower the costs. Then they hide their profits through rebates in vertically integrated corporate structures.
Oh certainly. It's been a way for a long time that powerful private actors exploit the system to benefit themselves. One of the biggest problems with the ACA is that it although it improved healthcare access for millions of Americans, it didn't address massive systemic problems in the healthcare system.
The ACA wrote into law the systemic problems that had formed in the private sector, and you are placing greater blame on the party that was against it. I understand placing some blame, some blame on the Republican Party is well deserved, but more than the people who wrote the bill is rather silly.
 

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I fear you don't understand how health insurance works in America... the insurers all collude to make things artificially expensive so that they never have to lower the costs. Then they hide their profits through rebates in vertically integrated corporate structures.
Careful, there; you almost sound like you're arguing for single-payer healthcare, which as any Republican will tell you leads directly to SOCIALISM and bread lines and jackboots.

The ACA wrote into law the systemic problems that had formed in the private sector, and you are placing greater blame on the party that was against it. I understand placing some blame, some blame on the Republican Party is well deserved, but more than the people who wrote the bill is rather silly.
The ACA, as flawed as it was, was an attempt to ameliorate the problem of inequality in healthcare, and I might point out that a great many Republicans who were polled thought the ACA was a good idea (but Obamacare would destroy the country). The thing is that higher-echelon Republicans don't see inequality in healthcare as a problem, but rather "justice"- poor people are bad people, and therefore preventing bad things from happening to them is wrong.
 
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Hey @tstorm823, @Phoenixmgs, @Dwarvenhobble, come tell us how the protesters "instigated" this by being a "threat" to law enforcement.

Ok fine I'll take the bait.

I'd actually like to know what she was saying to the officers at the time because if you want justification it could easily be there.

"I have a a knife in my pocket you impotent little man and am going to stab you with it"

That would be easy provocation and justification right there.
 

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Ok fine I'll take the bait.

I'd actually like to know what she was saying to the officers at the time because if you want justification it could easily be there.

"I have a a knife in my pocket you impotent little man and am going to stab you with it"

That would be easy provocation and justification right there.
No, it wouldn't. If she actually made a move towards her pocket after saying that, then pepper spray. If they had restrained her upon making the threat and searched her to see if she had a knife, that would have been justified. Self-defense legally requires you to meet the level of threat, not escalate it.