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tstorm823

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It's always those people who use A.I. isn't it?
There's definitely different mindsets between the people who want to create something and the people who ask something be created for them. Neither is inherently good or evil, but like... it's a lot easier to desire evil than to feel genuine inspiration from it.
 

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It's always those people who use A.I. isn't it?

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Hmmm...
The other day is was driving home from work and saw a billboard with an attack ad against our current pm Bart De Wever, depicting it as very gaunt and sickly, almost Gollum-like, and attacking its credibility. Which, fair, because like all libcons, BDW sucks, and I have no problems with any and all grief caused to it.

Anyway, yeah, billboard whiffed strongly of AI. And what colors did I notice but the yellow and black of our local fasc wannabes and collaborators, and I was all "Yeah, no, that makes sense"

Unfortunately I don't have a pic of it. There are also posters as part of the same attack campaign, but those use a different image that's just a shop of an existing photo of BDW.
 

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It's precisely this sort of facile hoping for the best that people like Trump use to run roughshod over others. A court that doesn't actually rule on what it assesses to be right by law has already vacated its moral right to judge. It's overlooking that Republicans deliberately stacked the court with ideologues that would rule as the US right wanted: they're hardly secret moderates waiting for the opportunity to break the shackles of an authoritarian president.
The thing is that the conservatives on the Supreme Court, like the conservatives in Congress, don't actually want to do their jobs. They want to let Emperor Trump dictate everything, and provide cover for him when someone says "but isn't that against the Constitution?".
 

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The thing is that the conservatives on the Supreme Court, like the conservatives in Congress, don't actually want to do their jobs.
I disagree, they are doing their jobs. They were appointed to hand the Republicans vast power to remake America as the Republicans want it to be. They are earning every luxury holiday and expensive perk that billionaire conservatives are gifting them.
 

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That you say that only underscores that you're trying to confidently argue about terms that you don't even understand the definitions of.

Mechanisms aren't "nice to have" nor are they things that "don't automatically translate to the real word". When we talk about mechanics and mechanisms in this context it literally means "How and why the thing works", it's literally the physical explanation of the observed phenomenon.

And more to the point: They are precisely the point of contention under discussion when someone argues that there's "no evidence that they work", as you have been doing. You're basically arguing "gravity’s just a mechanism; there's no evidence it actually works, so we should do a real-world trial to see if things actually fall."

You're making genuinely nonsensical arguments.



Again: Per Cochrane itself:
"Many commentators have claimed that a recently-updated Cochrane Review shows that 'masks don't work', which is an inaccurate and misleading interpretation.

It would be accurate to say that the review examined whether interventions to promote mask wearing help to slow the spread of respiratory viruses, and that the results were inconclusive. Given the limitations in the primary evidence, the review is not able to address the question of whether mask-wearing itself reduces people's risk of contracting or spreading respiratory viruses."

This is not a negotiable point.

And bluntly, I'm done. Even after being told time and again that you clearly haven't even understood the very source you're invoking - much less the broader topic that it's a part of - you're still insisting on the very interpretation that that source went out of its way to say was a misreading.

You blatantly aren't even trying to understand the topic, you're just trying to poach your source's credibility by falsely attributing your own opinions to it.
Just because you know a certain specific mechanism doesn't mean you understand it or know what it actually means. Like I said, if a mask reduces X% of droplets, does that actually confer to lowering infection rate? You don't know, nor did you know the size of the droplets of covid when said mask study was even done. You do know the mask reduced droplets by a certain amount but that alone doesn't mean anything, it's one variable in a rather lengthy equation. Just look at all the shit that they've gotten wrong with mechanisms and nutrition. There's literally evidence of anything, there's evidence that a rock can keep away lions for crying out loud. Not all evidence is legitimate.

1) I didn't say Cochrane said masks didn't work.
2) That except if referring only to the Bangladesh study, there's 77 other studies in that are in that review. Cochrane has never found, in history, evidence of masks actually working in the real world.

I'm still very uninterested in your analysis.

You said they said something. They did not.



Of what quality? Of what significance? You haven't even seen the data yourself.
I'm still waiting for proof masks have been shown to reduce upper respiratory infections.

We have seen it years ago when it wasn't paywalled...
 

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Just because you know a certain specific mechanism doesn't mean you understand it or know what it actually means. Like I said, if a mask reduces X% of droplets, does that actually confer to lowering infection rate? You don't know, nor did you know the size of the droplets of covid when said mask study was even done. You do know the mask reduced droplets by a certain amount but that alone doesn't mean anything, it's one variable in a rather lengthy equation. Just look at all the shit that they've gotten wrong with mechanisms and nutrition. There's literally evidence of anything, there's evidence that a rock can keep away lions for crying out loud. Not all evidence is legitimate.

1) I didn't say Cochrane said masks didn't work.
2) That except if referring only to the Bangladesh study, there's 77 other studies in that are in that review. Cochrane has never found, in history, evidence of masks actually working in the real world.
As I said, I'm done.

At this point, your track record speaks for itself: you repeatedly cite material you haven’t read, misstate it when corrected, and then redefine the discussion to preserve your certainty. We’ve seen it with masks, with long-COVID, and even with your attempt to rewrite the definition of the Dunning-Kruger effect while waving around a Google blurb and an editorial to dispute the definition and explanation supplied by more authoritative sources.

There’s no meaningful exchange to have when you treat evidence as a prop rather than a constraint.

So again, I’m stepping out. When you decide that reading a source means more than telling yourself that you never needed to, you’ll find plenty of people willing to have an informed discussion. Until then, I’m done donating my time to your performance contrarianism.
 

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So again, I’m stepping out. When you decide that reading a source means more than telling yourself that you never needed to, you’ll find plenty of people willing to have an informed discussion. Until then, I’m done donating my time to your performance contrarianism.
As I've said before: Everyone on this site should put Phoenixmgs on ignore. He is incapable of admitting or even recognizing when he's wrong, will slam together any combination of words that he thinks will win an argument, and will throw an absolute tantrum when he can't get anyone to agree that he's the only person in the world who matters.
 

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Priest probably said he had a knife, justifies everything, etc. etc. Whatever excuses fascism and violence against peaceful protestors.
It wasn't anything he said, it was for blocking the road. They were in a truck and protestors blocked the way, the agent jumped out and said they're coming through one way or another, and everyone else in the crowd split to let them through. That video isn't the best vantage point, but you can still see from the headlights and the end, the truck was right behind him, and he was the only one standing in the way.

I'd feel some sympathy, that's a pretty extreme response to one non-violent fat guy, but my sympathy evaporates when he goes on the news and insists he wasn't trying to block the truck, he was trying to deescalate. What a load of crap, every other protestor let the truck by voluntarily, and if it wasn't for that one guy, they would have been able to drive through and drive away without any major incident, totally de-escalated. He knew what he was doing, he got the result he wanted.
Ok, now this is interesting.
Some speculate it came from the crypto billionaire Trump just pardoned, which is a bit beyond morally dubious, but still preferable to pretty much every other variation of payoff you can imagine inspired that pardon.
 

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I'd feel some sympathy, that's a pretty extreme response to one non-violent fat guy, but my sympathy evaporates when he goes on the news and insists he wasn't trying to block the truck, he was trying to deescalate. What a load of crap, every other protestor let the truck by voluntarily, and if it wasn't for that one guy, they would have been able to drive through and drive away without any major incident, totally de-escalated. He knew what he was doing, he got the result he wanted.
I don't give a fuck. That canister could have killed him. ICE is a bunch of fascist assholes rejoicing in the ability to dispense violence and not suffer any consequences, and you're supporting them.
 
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I don't give a fuck. That canister could have killed him. ICE is a bunch of fascist assholes rejoicing in the ability to dispense violence and not suffer any consequences, and you're supporting them.
I don't think that was actually ICE. I believe it was said that was border patrol, and they were protesting at a military base. So kinda the opposite of ICE in many ways.
 

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Conservative Politicians in America hate Indians, Hispanics, Muslims, and Chinese in that order. And god help you if you are in two of these categories. Cuomo represents the worst of America.
 

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Look, if you're non-white and don't have some form of ID on you at all times to prove that you aren't an illegal immigrant, you deserve to be harassed by ICE agents, or ICE wannabes. The sad part is, I can't even tell myself if I'm being completely sarcastic, or only sarcastic in the "not victim blaming, just saying that this is bound to happen" sense.
 

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Vivek is not white, who knew.

A few years ago, I said that Democrats shouldn't have a monopoly on power. The sad part about that is that while my previous statement is true. The democrats do have a monopoly; they have a monopoly on being sane. We did have a Vivek in our party an amazing debater who happened to be Indian-American, her name is Kamala Harris, and despite her failing due to being held back by some of the people around her, she beat Trump in a Debate, while Tim Walz failed to tie in the debate with Vance, and failed in the first parts when most people care the most.
 

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Vivek is not white, who knew.

A few years ago, I said that Democrats shouldn't have a monopoly on power. The sad part about that is that while my previous statement is true. The democrats do have a monopoly; they have a monopoly on being sane. We did have a Vivek in our party an amazing debater who happened to be Indian-American, her name is Kamala Harris, and despite her failing due to being held back by some of the people around her, she beat Trump in a Debate, while Tim Walz failed to tie in the debate with Vance, and failed in the first parts when most people care the most.
ew
 

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hm, the unshakable feeling we already dead returns


ok seriously, no exaggeration, the NXIVM cult leader literally talks like Jordan Peterson (and Russel Brand, we can throw Russel Brand in this too) if he tried half-assedly to be pseudo-woke, using tried-n-tested rhetorical tricks to sound like they're saying something when they're just not - and if those aren't as easy to identify for anyone yet, hopefully this episode does a better job of breaking that down than any of my ill-fated attempts
Kicking off cult season, Chris and Matt take a dip into the manipulative world of NXIVM founder and self-proclaimed 200-IQ “Vanguard,” Keith Raniere, as he talks with his then-disciple and ex-Hollywood actress, Allison Mack. Through a haze of pseudo-profound musings and decorative scholarship, Raniere sermonises on creativity, authenticity, and the human spirit, all while orchestrating a coercive sex cult built on obedience, sleep deprivation, and... volleyball.

Matt and Chris lament how his wordy self-help cosmology mirrors the rhetorical habits of secular gurus: the cultivation of parasocial intimacy, the disdain for anything mainstream, and the promise of “revolutionary” insights that will reveal your true self (for a fee). From the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle to “authentic soulfulness”, it’s a masterclass in generating pseudo-profound semantic fog, where love and pain blur into one transcendent teaching.

By the end, you may find yourself sharing Raniere’s final revelation about what it truly means to feel… nauseated.

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I suppose the thing is to actually listen to what they're saying - don't fill in the blanks yourself, cos that's what they're depending on - identify what statements become just complete vaguery on their own terms when you ain't doing the work for them - consider how many other ways those would be interpreted by people different from yourself - consider what tangible value honestly remains - are you still gonna pick up that branding iron?



Can always depend on Bannon saying the quiet part loud and fuckbugger nobody hearing it lol
 
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