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Also caught in the crossfire, a ton of left wing accounts, including at least one I remember Seanchaidh linking to here.
Yeah, that was to be a given. However, it doesn't seem to me that those accounts have had nearly the impact on the United States that the MAGA ones have.

I don't know if it takes an extremely stupid person to fall for these things, to not realize that there are people trying to appeal to your politics and manipulative you, but if you see this story and don't notice the people trying to manipulate you, you're definitely falling for it.
I can't speak for anyone else, but there are dozens upon dozens of posts I could've linked here but didn't, because I double-checked and things didn't add up. Anyone without the intelligence to do so, in this era where we know there are state actors like these spreading misinformation... yeah, I'll stick with "very stupid".
 

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Dude, seriously? Obvious is fucking obvious, and there's an obvious problem with that graph, because everyone knows China's economy is growing ~5% a year.

I'm guessing it's because it's nominal GDP in US dollars. So it's almost certainly affected by the exchange rate. The yuan devalues against the dollar, it masks China's economic performance to make it seem like its GDP has stalled.
 

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Wait what? Kids used to get diabetes type 1 and are now getting diabetes type 2? The former is more dangerous; why would that be a bad thing?
The thing is, we're not talking about kids getting type 2 instead of type 1, we're talking about kids getting type 2 in addition to the ones that were already going to get type 1.

Because type 2 is more preventable. Historically it's mostly been middle age+ adults getting type 2 because type 2 is essentially your pancreas not being able to keep up with the load and it often gets there due to dietary issues essentially stressing it until capacity drops or your body develops resistance to your own insulin. Type 1 is mostly autoimmune, and it's more dangerous primarily because instead of not producing enough insulin to cover load you instead are producing somewhere between none and almost none, because the cells that make it are dead.

You can reduce the amount you need through diet, exercise and drugs that make present insulin more efficient (some type 2s can control it entirely through diet and exercise), but you can't get around not having any meaningful amount to start with.

I've been on insulin since the 90s. I can still see (at least so much as my very nearsighted + astigmatism garbage eyes ever could - I've had to pay extra for glasses because my prescription is so severe), still have full sensation and no nerve pain in my extremities, and my A1C tends to float between 6.5 and just over 7 depending on time of year. Showing very mild, very early signs of all the usual ways diabetes fucks you though, which I guess isn't bad thirty odd years in.
 

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Yes. Many thousands of people have died and suffered from preventable diseases, because charlatans have convinced them not to vaccinate.
Even the measles "outbreak" this year came from a community that doesn't vaccinate and likely had nothing to do with the vaccination/autism narrative.

Wait what? Kids used to get diabetes type 1 and are now getting diabetes type 2? The former is more dangerous; why would that be a bad thing?

Apart from that: could you please cite your sources? I found one article about fatty liver disease incidence increasing remarkably, but it didn't mention anything about milk consumption as a potential cause of the rising numbers.
No, that's not what I said. I said that the type of diabetes kids can get is Type 1 because that's a whole different trigger/cause and it's called juvenile diabetes because that was the kind of diabetes that kids do and can get. However, now kids are also getting Type 2 diabetes because of how bad their diets are, which they essentially never got before. I didn't say milk is causing fatty liver disease, I said the "war on fat" narrative has caused that as people think fat is bad for them and now everything is packed with sugar because if you remove the fat, you remove the flavor and you have to get flavor from something (and then sugar is added to provide the flavor you lost). Having kids drink skim milk instead of full-fat milk is not itself causing anything (it contributes very slightly though), it's just a microcosm for what has happened due to that very dangerous narrative that fat is bad for you. We banned kids from drinking the healthiest milk and gave them the least healthy milk. The fact that egg white omelettes are a thing is just another example of how backwards people think about food and nutrition, why would you take out the part of the egg that has the most nutrients and adds the most flavor?


Also, the C15 fatty acid that humans mainly get from dairy does in fact protect against diabetes. Yet you are told to drink milk with the fat remove or reduced and eat low-fat cheeses. A study on dolphins recently actually revealed the benefits C15 fatty acid.


I mean, yes. You went on about trusting your version of science and that science was a lie. So, this is true. Everyone else analysed your version of science and it was left wanting

Vaccines have reduced Covid deaths by 2/3. I KNOW you don't care about that, otherwise you can't claim it 'had no community benefits'. THIS is what you call ideological

No one snuck anything in. You were told from the start that adults were getting the vaccine first, then children. If you did not know this in 2025, that's a you-not-listening problem. Most parents wanted it because children died during Covid. If you don't get the vaccine, there's a chance that your child will die. It's that simple. As a parent, it's not your job to kill your kid because your feelings are hurt

Everyone cared about vaccines and autism. Scientists listened to these complaints and literally changed vaccines many times as people made reasons why vaccines caused autism. When they took those ingredients out, Autism still went up. They listened to you, did EXACTLY what you wanted and Autism still went up. Because the link is ideological. not scientific

No, there is no increase in vaccine hesitancy. There has ALWAYS been vaccine hesitancy for 200 years. It's ideological. Anti-vaxxers are not looking for vaccines to be safe. Ever.

All RFK has done this year is deregulated some regulations. Some are beneficial, some probably don't make a difference. Some, like getting rid of the canned fruit regulation, means that no actual fruit needs to be in canned fruit. RFK does not care about health. He's getting paid to make food unhealthy
Everything I've said comes from medical experts and doctors. You don't understand what "community benefit" mean. Community benefit means you getting the vaccine not only helps you but also has a protective effect on the community as well. The covid vaccine only helps YOU whereas say the measles vaccine provides community benefit because if basically everyone gets the vaccine, nobody will get measles. You getting the covid vaccine doesn't lower the amount of covid infections in the community for example as it doesn't stop you from getting covid or passing it on to others.

Where is there some significant downfall in people not getting vaccinated because of autism? That is my point, that didn't happen.

Why would you put the covid vaccine in the children's schedule when no one wanted their kids getting vaccinated? This will cause people considering not having their kids getting vaccinations on said schedules.

Childhood vaccinations are down... The left has caused this by pushing covid vaccines so much. The left mandated a vaccine that people didn't want being mandated and that actual science said not to mandate (no community benefit). Then they put the covid vaccine in the childhood schedule that people didn't even want their kids getting in the 1st place. When you over push on things that didn't need to be pushed at all, this is what happens.
 

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Dude, seriously? Obvious is fucking obvious, and there's an obvious problem with that graph, because everyone knows China's economy is growing ~5% a year.

I'm guessing it's because it's nominal GDP in US dollars. So it's almost certainly affected by the exchange rate. The yuan devalues against the dollar, it masks China's economic performance to make it seem like its GDP has stalled.
Yes, and their population has stopped growing, and their wages are low. Growth in GDP PPP masks poor living standards compared to Western countries. I am not saying they are not growing; they just aren't growing in power where it counts, in human capital and quality of life.

So yes, they can bomb the ever-living crap out of Taiwan, and annex Siberia, but can they, like Americans, buy cheap TVs, computers, and have a stable stock market-based retirement? I think not. Also, at age 35, your screwed if you don't make management.
 

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While China still has lower living standards than the US and also loads of economical issues and the times of rapid growth seem over, i don't see American standard of living improving faster than the Chinese one.
 

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Proof that irony is dead: DOGE appears to have been disbanded eight months ahead of schedule, likely as a cost-saving measure.


At this point I think they were only calling themselves "Department of Government Efficiency" because "Department of Randomly Firing People, Lying About Savings, and then Having To Rehire Most of the People You Fired" wouldn't fit on a letterhead.
 
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Proof that irony is dead: DOGE appears to have been disbanded eight months ahead of schedule, likely as a cost-saving measure.


At this point I think they were only calling themselves "Department of Government Efficiency" because "Department of Randomly Firing People, Lying About Savings, and then Having To Rehire Most of the People You Fired" wouldn't fit on a letterhead.
Well they likely accomplished their original goal; stealing everyone's data and hampering the agencies with oversight over Musk's companies.
 

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While China still has lower living standards than the US and also loads of economical issues and the times of rapid growth seem over, i don't see American standard of living improving faster than the Chinese one.
I doubt it will ever reach US living standards. The US has less population, but a lot more natural resources. If they annex Siberia, the US would likely make a play for Canada or maybe even Greenland if the EU is distracted(This is why you need a strong EU military euros).

Edit: Even if a neoliberal dove doesn't try to control Canada or Greenland more, they could integrate more with Latin America thanks to the Monroe Doctrine.
 

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I doubt it will ever reach US living standards.
It probably won't - unless something bad happens in the US. Which is is becoming more likely every day.

The US standard of living heavily rests on being the financial and commercial center of the world. But the tariffs hurt US trade, the ever increasing debt hurt the Dollar reserve currency status, the diplomatic brinkmanship hurt its position as place to make or involve in deals. Internally unrest is rising, inflation soaring, the GDP growth is negative if one excludes AI, which is a bubble bound to burst soon as well, unemployment is rising, household debt is getting out of control ... An overall bad trajectory.

Fundamentally the US can't sustain its living standards by itself. That is what the huge trade deficit actually shows. Americans consume far more than they provide, globally speaking and they only can do that as long as they stay the undisputed superpower.
 

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Even the measles "outbreak" this year came from a community that doesn't vaccinate and likely had nothing to do with the vaccination/autism narrative.
So?

You think the recent outbreak is the extent of the damage of vaccine hesitancy? This problem goes back decades, across continents.
 

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So?

You think the recent outbreak is the extent of the damage of vaccine hesitancy? This problem goes back decades, across continents.
That is not what I'm talking about. You guys are claiming that RFK Jr is so bad because of his vaccine stances but those are, at best, just a drop in the water to the other reasons for vaccine hesitancy. The left's complete unscientific and ridiculous push of the covid vaccine caused more vaccine hesitancy than RFK Jr could ever do, but you don't criticize that because that's your own team and your own ideology.
 

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I said that the type of diabetes kids can get is Type 1 because that's a whole different trigger/cause and it's called juvenile diabetes because that was the kind of diabetes that kids do and can get.
They switched the nomenclature from juvenile-onset/adult-onset to type 1/type 2 in no small part because sometimes adults develop type 1 (though it's rare, usually tied to development of some other autoimmune problem) and sometimes children develop type 2 (also rare, but not nearly so rare as it used to be).

AI, which is a bubble bound to burst soon as well,
Of course it will. Like the .com bubble, there's massive overinvestment and speculation and eventually the bullshit will deflate and you'll have clear winners and losers and direction for what the tech is actually useful for.

I don't think it's going to burst as soon as you seem to think though - at least not until we can go six months without some major improvement on the tech that implies a potential for a big payoff down the road.
 

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They switched the nomenclature from juvenile-onset/adult-onset to type 1/type 2 in no small part because sometimes adults develop type 1 (though it's rare, usually tied to development of some other autoimmune problem) and sometimes children develop type 2 (also rare, but not nearly so rare as it used to be).
Child developing type 2 is becoming less and less rare, which is pretty sad. It takes awhile to develop type 2 and the fact that it's happening in children means their diets have been very poor for pretty much their entire lives.

 

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Even the measles "outbreak" this year came from a community that doesn't vaccinate and likely had nothing to do with the vaccination/autism narrative.


No, that's not what I said. I said that the type of diabetes kids can get is Type 1 because that's a whole different trigger/cause and it's called juvenile diabetes because that was the kind of diabetes that kids do and can get. However, now kids are also getting Type 2 diabetes because of how bad their diets are, which they essentially never got before. I didn't say milk is causing fatty liver disease, I said the "war on fat" narrative has caused that as people think fat is bad for them and now everything is packed with sugar because if you remove the fat, you remove the flavor and you have to get flavor from something (and then sugar is added to provide the flavor you lost). Having kids drink skim milk instead of full-fat milk is not itself causing anything (it contributes very slightly though), it's just a microcosm for what has happened due to that very dangerous narrative that fat is bad for you. We banned kids from drinking the healthiest milk and gave them the least healthy milk. The fact that egg white omelettes are a thing is just another example of how backwards people think about food and nutrition, why would you take out the part of the egg that has the most nutrients and adds the most flavor?


Also, the C15 fatty acid that humans mainly get from dairy does in fact protect against diabetes. Yet you are told to drink milk with the fat remove or reduced and eat low-fat cheeses. A study on dolphins recently actually revealed the benefits C15 fatty acid.



Everything I've said comes from medical experts and doctors. You don't understand what "community benefit" mean. Community benefit means you getting the vaccine not only helps you but also has a protective effect on the community as well. The covid vaccine only helps YOU whereas say the measles vaccine provides community benefit because if basically everyone gets the vaccine, nobody will get measles. You getting the covid vaccine doesn't lower the amount of covid infections in the community for example as it doesn't stop you from getting covid or passing it on to others.

Where is there some significant downfall in people not getting vaccinated because of autism? That is my point, that didn't happen.

Why would you put the covid vaccine in the children's schedule when no one wanted their kids getting vaccinated? This will cause people considering not having their kids getting vaccinations on said schedules.

Childhood vaccinations are down... The left has caused this by pushing covid vaccines so much. The left mandated a vaccine that people didn't want being mandated and that actual science said not to mandate (no community benefit). Then they put the covid vaccine in the childhood schedule that people didn't even want their kids getting in the 1st place. When you over push on things that didn't need to be pushed at all, this is what happens.
So to sum up:
Millions of people will die, but you won't do anything because your fee-fees are hurt
 

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That is not what I'm talking about. You guys are claiming that RFK Jr is so bad because of his vaccine stances but those are, at best, just a drop in the water to the other reasons for vaccine hesitancy. The left's complete unscientific and ridiculous push of the covid vaccine caused more vaccine hesitancy than RFK Jr could ever do, but you don't criticize that because that's your own team and your own ideology.
How are you quantifying that exactly?

Vaccine "sceptics" frequently cite the same bunk conspiracy theories that RFK promotes, when they give their reasons for refusal. The impact of them is highly public. Where's your evidence for even greater refusal, just because... of vaccine mandates?
 

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So to sum up:
Millions of people will die, but you won't do anything because your fee-fees are hurt
What are you talking about? You don't even know what community benefit means, I correct you; you don't know that childhood vaccinations are down, and I correct you. You just ignore that you're wrong and double down on how much more virtuous you are because I apparently won't do anything to save millions of people. I'm all for doing things that make sense and are actually backed by science. I didn't follow any of the bullshit restrictions because I didn't have to.

How are you quantifying that exactly?

Vaccine "sceptics" frequently cite the same bunk conspiracy theories that RFK promotes, when they give their reasons for refusal. The impact of them is highly public. Where's your evidence for even greater refusal, just because... of vaccine mandates?
Look at the drop in vaccine rates during and after covid. Where was there a similar drop associated with the vaccination/autism claims that have been around for nearly 30 years now? The recent RFK Jr / MAHA stuff has not even been around for a year. You think people are also going to stop taking Tylenol too? Sure, there's gonna be a very very very small select few that will do such things (no different than flat earthers). The left and right both convince people of nonsensical things.