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Look at the drop in vaccine rates during and after covid.
The "drop in vaccine rates during and after covid"-- which vaccines are you talking about? Covid vaccines obviously didn't exist before covid, so there is no pre-existing baseline and you cannot register a drop. Other vaccines didn't have a mandate, so you can't be attributing any fluctuation to a mandate.

Where was there a similar drop associated with the vaccination/autism claims that have been around for nearly 30 years now?
In the aftermath of Wakefield's fraudulent study in the late 1990s, there was a sharp decrease in MMR vaccine uptake, and a rise in measles and rubella. And a rise in deaths associated with them. This is all well documented.
 

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You think the recent outbreak is the extent of the damage of vaccine hesitancy? This problem goes back decades, across continents.
Were I to think about causes of vaccine hesitancy, I might want to consider the cranks repeatedly and loudly ranting about extremely rare instances of side effects that at a population level are statistically negligible sources of harm compared to the illness they are vaccinating against. Like, for instance, myocarditis and the Covid-19 vaccine.

Any of them maybe prepared to take some responsibility?

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A vaccine mandate of course could be bad for trust for vaccinations: specifically in people who don't trust the government (/corporations/etc.). Inevitably, some people will react badly to anything associated with an entity they don't trust. So if the government (etc.) strongly endorses vaccines, they'll transfer that distrust they hold for the government to vaccines as well.

That sucks, sure, but it's not per se a good reason for the government to reject mandates. After all, some people might hate public sewers and water treatment too, but it's just not a compelling reason to leave whole swathes of their countrymen with catastrophically unsanitary living conditions.
 

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Funniest bribe yet tho
Meh... Give us a 3rd Shanghai movie instead.

The "drop in vaccine rates during and after covid"-- which vaccines are you talking about? Covid vaccines obviously didn't exist before covid, so there is no pre-existing baseline and you cannot register a drop. Other vaccines didn't have a mandate, so you can't be attributing any fluctuation to a mandate.



In the aftermath of Wakefield's fraudulent study in the late 1990s, there was a sharp decrease in MMR vaccine uptake, and a rise in measles and rubella. And a rise in deaths associated with them. This is all well documented.
It was literally in the source I linked...
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Yes, but it was at 95% in 2019, hence the vaccine/autism effect was short-lasting. Also, I'm pretty sure that dip would've been from the left mainly because it was the very liberal new age-y people that were against vaccines during that time if I recall correctly.
 

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It was literally in the source I linked...
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Right, so you're blaming the mandate for a drop in uptake rate for vaccines that weren't subject to that mandate.

One might also point out that during covid, we saw an uptick in anto-vax lies being repeated. But unlike a mandate, that applied to all vaccines. So that's a rather more likely culprit.

Yes, but it was at 95% in 2019, hence the vaccine/autism effect was short-lasting.
Over 20 years is not "short-lasting". That's untold thousands of deaths; millions of cases.

Also, I'm pretty sure that dip would've been from the left mainly because it was the very liberal new age-y people that were against vaccines during that time if I recall correctly.
As usual, you do not recall correctly.
 

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What are you talking about? You don't even know what community benefit means, I correct you; you don't know that childhood vaccinations are down, and I correct you. You just ignore that you're wrong and double down on how much more virtuous you are because I apparently won't do anything to save millions of people. I'm all for doing things that make sense and are actually backed by science. I didn't follow any of the bullshit restrictions because I didn't have to.
We just had a guy from the FDA going on the news about the US having 72 vaccines on the schedule for kids and it being twice the amount that other countries have. He was saying that we need to make some optional via doctor consultation. Kids are just exposed to too many vaccines. Sounds good, right?

This FDA guy lied. Most of the vaccines are ALREADY optional. You can't get them without a doctor's consultation. Once you take out these optional vaccines out, the US has the same schedule as everywhere else in the world. He's lying to you. He was outrage baiting

We had a bunch of MAHA, including RFK, complain about Aluminium being in vaccines. Aluminium is bad for kids, let's get rid of it. Sounds good, right?

There is more Aluminium in a DAILY dose of mother's milk. More in formula milk. More, every single day, while a vaccine is a one-off dose. Unless you get rid of all milk for infants, you aren't doing anything to get rid of Aluminium

We had the president go on about Tylenol causing autism. And didn't blame the reason why people take Tylenol - the disease that is making you sick. He blamed the wrong thing. If pregnant mothers followed the president's advice, they were MORE likely to give their child autism AND a host of other far more serious medical issues. RFK made Trump do that because RFK does not care about health. I dont blame Trump, he's following terrible advice

RFK just hired the Louisiana surgeon general — the guy who wanted everyone in his state to take Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine for COVID. Not only are these two not effective for treating COVID, but you have to take multiple doses, making it way more expensive than a vaccine. I.e. he's suggesting this to make more money off Big Pharma

Whooping cough vaccine coverage has gone from 95% to 92% in the last couple of years. This makes your claim about 'everyone being anti-vax now due to bad lefties' a really stupid claim. There might be 3% increase in anti-vax stances, which isn't very big. Also, whooping cough deaths have gone from around 10 each year tpre-Covid o 30. A small decrease in vaccine coverage has tripled the death rate. Being an anti-vaxxer increases the chance of your child dying. Congratulations. What a wonderful community-based benefit we got

Lastly, you personally did not show any care about the 1.5 US citizens who died during 2020 and 2021 due to COVID. Just like you are going to blame the whooping cough on the kids and still say that vaccines are bad. It's just what you do.You blamed them for being sick and having morbidities. You lied about how many people died. You lied about how masks work. You said that if we do anything to stop the spread and stress even one person out so they might consider suicide, we have done a bad thing. It's better to let people die from COVID. You never once thought about how to mitigate this stress and create polices that reduces such stress. Similarly, with children's education and social development, you could not possibly change anything about society to benefit them, rather than whinge about sand being laid over skate rinks

I don't think there has been one study you have provided here that you have NOT misquoted. Maybe someone can point one out. You don't read the articles you bring as 'evidence' for your side. Because almost every time someone has read it and seen that you lied about what it said. You make up definitions for words that no one else uses. You misquote scientists regularly. 90% of scientists do not agree with anything you have said. They do not back you
 

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The new deputy director of the CDC doesn't like vaccines, and prefers "natural immunity".


This, of course, means letting people get infected with diseases and then treating them with quack "remedies" like hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin.

A lot of people are going to die- but on the upside, that's a lot of people that Republicans get to feel smugly superior to. After all, bad things only happen to bad people.
 

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The new deputy director of the CDC doesn't like vaccines, and prefers "natural immunity".


This, of course, means letting people get infected with diseases and then treating them with quack "remedies" like hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin.

A lot of people are going to die- but on the upside, that's a lot of people that Republicans get to feel smugly superior to. After all, bad things only happen to bad people.
Yep, that's the guy I was talking about. Ralph has already made BANK off the misery of Louisians. Now, he can do it federally
 

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Miller's hand slid down its pants when it wrote this.
It's also completely inconsistent with other stated goals of Trump, like improving affordability and improving the USA's balance of trade.

If they want to stop migration and chuck a load more immigrants out, a signficant number of businesses are going to either contract or even fold because they won't have enough workers. Supply will decrease relatively to demand, so prices will go up (i.e. inflation). Labour costs will increase because everyone will be chasing a much smaller pool of workers, so costs will go up (i.e. inflation). As US production decreases so it will export less, but imports will rise to compensate, so the US balance of trade becomes more negative.

Once GDP stagnates/declines and inflation rises, we'll see how popular that all really is. By which I mean it's just not going to happen in the first place, is it?

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Why does anyone think that Western countries have not done anything about immigration for the last few decades? Because heavily restricting immigration is damaging, even ruinous. Unfortunately, our political environment is so degraded that this reality seems to be impossible to explain to the people. Media incites the populace towards self-harming policies, and political parties discredit themselves by promising action they refuse to take because the consequences would be worse.

For instance, take Hungary: all that shit about the evils immigration, but do you know what Hungary has actually done? It's taken a ton of money off China to build EV factories, for which it has had to bring in a huge number of foreign workers. Yeah, that's how the world works. A country doesn't have something it needs, then it has to import it. That includes workers.
 

Agema

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That's been the goal from Day 1- get rid of all the brown people, replace them with white people. Here's the real Replacement Theory.
White people don't have enough babies. If majority white countries want to throw out brown people, it's a one-way ticket to unsustainable older life care and a rapidly shrinking population (and therefore economy and overall power). Choose racial purity and the future will be Chinese / Indian / African / etc. anyway.

Of course, people might have some ideas how to increase reproduction in white societies, but I suspect that from the Stephen Miller side of things they're very much on the "Handmaid's Tale" end of the spectrum.
 

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White people don't have enough babies. If majority white countries want to throw out brown people, it's a one-way ticket to unsustainable older life care and a rapidly shrinking population (and therefore economy and overall power). Choose racial purity and the future will be Chinese / Indian / African / etc. anyway.
There are enough people valueing their country being white far more than their country being the most powerful. What benefit is there in being ahead of India, China and Africa if it got taken over by the Indian/Chinese/African anyway ?

That is why "But think of the economy" will never get traction with the racists and xenophobes.
 

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That is why "But think of the economy" will never get traction with the racists and xenophobes.
Racists and xenophobes are making so much progress because of the economy. If our countries were getting 2-3% richer a year and everyone in them was getting 2-3% richer a year, I bet you people would be a lot less bothered about immigrants. But even where national growth is achieved, a lot of it isn't getting to the people. Public services seem to be getting worse. Jobs are less rewarding, give less dignity.

Things are shit and so many people want someone to blame. Blaming other people feels a lot better than blaming oneself and one's own.
 

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That is why "But think of the economy" will never get traction with the racists and xenophobes.
Racists and xenophobes are making so much progress because of the economy. If our countries were getting 2-3% richer a year and everyone in them was getting 2-3% richer a year, I bet you people would be a lot less bothered about immigrants. But even where national growth is achieved, a lot of it isn't getting to the people. Public services seem to be getting worse. Jobs are less rewarding, give less dignity.

Things are shit and so many people want someone to blame. Blaming other people feels a lot better than blaming oneself and one's own.
Those two points are hardly contradictory, though.