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The film has been a resounding sucess for the Trump family: it provided a legal way to accept a whopping, multimillion bribe from a tech/media firm.
I am not sure even that is worth it for them. Trump hates being the laughingstock and Melania will have difficulties continuing with all her other grifts when it is made so obvious how little anyone cares about her.
 

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I am not sure even that is worth it for them. Trump hates being the laughingstock and Melania will have difficulties continuing with all her other grifts when it is made so obvious how little anyone cares about her.
Never underestimate the satisfaction such people get from making a quick buck.

I think they know exactly what sort of business that sort of documentary would be expected to generate (i.e. middling TV/streaming filler). Therefore they know that they've been paid an order of magnitude more than that sort of production should expect. Then Amazon have lavished about the same again on their vanity in marketing and paying cinemas to run the film irrespective of viewer demand.
 

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The film has been a resounding sucess for the Trump family: it provided a legal way to accept a whopping, multimillion bribe from a tech/media firm.
And a corrupt administration being so easily bribed gives tech companies little reason not to abuse their powers to boost the corrupt party in the elections. When there's a real government again Amazon loses such an easy way to buy influence.
 

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And a corrupt administration being so easily bribed gives tech companies little reason not to abuse their powers to boost the corrupt party in the elections. When there's a real government again Amazon loses such an easy way to buy influence.
Corruption is a two-way street. Trump et al. are corrupt for extracting this money, but Amazon et al. are also corrupt for paying it. The obvious problem, and relating to the fact that Trump can sue the DoJ and order the DoJ it to settle with himself, is that the law cannot cope. The legislature should be looking out for this, but the legislature is utterly enfeebled.
 

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The film has been a resounding sucess for the Trump family: it provided a legal way to accept a whopping, multimillion bribe from a tech/media firm.
I'm well aware. Won't stop me from using it as fodder for cheap jokes to my fullest satisfaction tho.
 

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No, i said being in relatively brief contact is enough-- a second is highly unlikely to transmit, but minutes can certainly be enough.

And you brought up the infectious dose, and a source about it... which backed up what i said.




Blah blah blah. Moving on.



You have repeatedly said they knew the guidance was wrong and gave it anyway. That would be disinformation. Without any discernible gain or motive.



Oh you're talking about travel for aid workers now? A minute ago you were talking about funding for these programmes being cut.



Yet it used the same term for both and did a 1-to-1 comparison. It absolutely made that equivalence.

I'm sorry the 'report' you posted was utter shit, but it was.
You said a single viral particle is enough... And minutes would be very rare as well if we are just talking about normal interactions like people just talking and standing normal distance away from each other (and not yelling at each other like a manager and umpire arguing in over a bad call). People would be constantly getting sick if viral transmission works the way you think it does.
No. The more exposure one has, the more likely a disease is to be caught, for obvious reasons; but by the very nature of a rhinovirus, a single viral particle is enough.
I said a few things they knew were bullshit because there's no science on it. Like the 6 foot distance was obviously bullshit yet people thought it actually meant something, stores put up markers every 6 feet on the floor. They have admitted that was bullshit. I sure would hope something like surface spread guidance wasn't purposeful and they just didn't read the studies.

Yeah... You can't just throw money at things and expect stuff to be done. You need people to do things. Foreign aide is not just money, it's resources, like people, as well.

That's how you do literally any report like that... If you can't make some kind of comparison, then there is no report obviously.

Banning how, they have a website, plus it's counterproductive. Raise your hand if you want to tell other students that you want to join ICe with your face showing.
You said you were glad you didn't go to OSU because of ICE recruiting there. All I said was how that makes no sense.
 

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How fun to have emerged in opposite world. Here we have our competitor China saying that Europe and China are partners rather than rivals. Meanwhile our actual partners have the official stance that we're enemies instead of partners, and that they'd like to steal our land.

Not that China is sincere. They're funding Russia's attempt to enforce its barbarity on Europe, and without this funding the Russian offensive might have collapsed ages ago. there are also plenty of other conflicts. Still, it is at least curious that China is the least fanatically aggressive of the two major powers(and Russia). They're the only one at least pretending they don't hate or guts or that they don't want to do us harm.

Russia's official end goal is to oppress all of eastern and central Europe again.
America's official end goal is to tear down the EU and reduce us to impoverished vassal states while stealing our lands.
Meanwhile China's most aggressive statement is saying that they just can't afford a Russian defeat.

Its not entirely reassuring but in a world where Europe is surrounded by enemies on all sides it at least means something.
 
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You said a single viral particle is enough...
Theoretically, i said, which is true.

And minutes would be very rare as well if we are just talking about normal interactions like people just talking and standing normal distance away from each other (and not yelling at each other like a manager and umpire arguing in over a bad call). People would be constantly getting sick if viral transmission works the way you think it does.
People are getting common colds all the fucking time. They're exceptionally common.

You think everyone getting a common cold-- which is almost everyone, several times every year-- is always getting it from protracted contact with someone already infected? Can you not see how absurd that is?

I said a few things they knew were bullshit because there's no science on it. Like the 6 foot distance was obviously bullshit yet people thought it actually meant something, stores put up markers every 6 feet on the floor. They have admitted that was bullshit. I sure would hope something like surface spread guidance wasn't purposeful and they just didn't read the studies.
So you are claiming it was disinformation. No motive, no gain, just pointless disinformation.

We have already covered why such broad suggestions are made. Broadly speaking, keeping one's distance from others is a bit safer: droplets (the primary vector) are heavy in air and only travel a short distance. And the people giving the guidance have to give a guideline, you can't just say "stay a bit away if you like". Hence, a broad guideline. Not a perfect measure, often unnecessary... yet better than just letting everyone do whatever.

Yeah... You can't just throw money at things and expect stuff to be done. You need people to do things. Foreign aide is not just money, it's resources, like people, as well.
K, so you're not talking about money anymore, as you were before. Now you're talking about aid workers travelling abroad.

And you believe they were prevented from doing so by domestic lockdowns?

That's how you do literally any report like that... If you can't make some kind of comparison, then there is no report obviously.
What meaningless nonsense. Countless reports exist that don't make horseshit 1-to-1 comparisons between time spent under lockdown and being dead. Its not a bloody necessity to write such a braindead thing.

The report you posted is drivel. I'm sorry, but it is. Cut your losses and abandon it, and maybe next time put a little critical thought into what you post as evidence.
 

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Theoretically, i said, which is true.



People are getting common colds all the fucking time. They're exceptionally common.

You think everyone getting a common cold-- which is almost everyone, several times every year-- is always getting it from protracted contact with someone already infected? Can you not see how absurd that is?



So you are claiming it was disinformation. No motive, no gain, just pointless disinformation.

We have already covered why such broad suggestions are made. Broadly speaking, keeping one's distance from others is a bit safer: droplets (the primary vector) are heavy in air and only travel a short distance. And the people giving the guidance have to give a guideline, you can't just say "stay a bit away if you like". Hence, a broad guideline. Not a perfect measure, often unnecessary... yet better than just letting everyone do whatever.



K, so you're not talking about money anymore, as you were before. Now you're talking about aid workers travelling abroad.

And you believe they were prevented from doing so by domestic lockdowns?



What meaningless nonsense. Countless reports exist that don't make horseshit 1-to-1 comparisons between time spent under lockdown and being dead. Its not a bloody necessity to write such a braindead thing.

The report you posted is drivel. I'm sorry, but it is. Cut your losses and abandon it, and maybe next time put a little critical thought into what you post as evidence.
That's not how it actually works, hence the term infectious dose.

2-4 times a year is not nearly as common as you think. If that is all that it took to catch a cold was standing near someone infected for a few minutes, people would be getting sick much more often. Protracted contact is the vast majority of how you get sick, hence why when you get sick it usually coincides with family, friends, co-workers that were sick and not a rando at the grocery store you stood in line next to.

The 6 foot rule was part of the reason schools stayed closed because kids in class aren't 6 feet away obviously and that recommendation turned out to be very harmful.

They gave so much asinine guidance, it made people scared of other people. You can say shopping for groceries is fine but you should avoid something like restaurants because you're sitting there for about an hour next to people you're sitting with and next to other people at other tables. It's basic common sense that everyone completely rolled a natural 1 on. Your England had the stupid "rule of 6" that said being with 6 people outside is as dangerous as being with 6 people inside. I don't remember anyone telling people that the outside is safe for example. Nothing was recommended outside of staying home essentially.

My company told our employees not to travel in the US. You think governments didn't tell people not to travel abroad with aide programs?

That's how you do such analyses... So me any such analysis that doesn't do that. People lost quality of life for no reason, especially kids.
 

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That's not how it actually works, hence the term infectious dose.
Hence the word "theoretically". And infectious dose, the metric you introduced, shows fleeting contact is enough.

2-4 times a year is not nearly as common as you think.
Compared to what? Common colds represent the most commonly transmitted viruses that exist.

If that is all that it took to catch a cold was standing near someone infected for a few minutes, people would be getting sick much more often.
Why? Because you reckon so?

Part of what stops you comprehending medical topics is your propensity to think in absolutes, and to expect anything that isn't an absolute to be wrong. "If a few mins was enough, everyone would constantly be sick; and if not everyone is constantly getting sick, then hardly anyone is, and it doesn't transmit like that at all".

It doesn't work like that. There are a thousand factors aside from proximity that muddy the picture. And in the end, some get sick, some don't.

My company told our employees not to travel in the US. You think governments didn't tell people not to travel abroad with aide programs?
And you think your company telling its employees not to travel = national domestic lockdown policy, do you?

That's how you do such analyses... So me any such analysis that doesn't do that. People lost quality of life for no reason, especially kids.
Literally every other research posted, including by yourself, doesn't directly compare time spent in lockdown to being dead.

Because its obviously, obviously fucking stupid.
 

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The Elon being rejected by post-sentence Epstein is as amusing as this horror story could get

It's all downhill from there
 
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Its nice people are all repulsed by the Epstein files but it be nicer if they had voted accordingly. We've known what the ultra rich do behind closed doors for quite a while. No one can say that only with the release of the files their eyes were opened.

Yet Trump's and the Republican's end goal is a state akin to Russia where all the wealth and power of the state belongs to ultra rich folks like those, and that the law literally shouldn't apply to them as long as they don't annoy the great leader. Epstein's fuckbudies? Yeah those are the guys the American electorate knowingly voted to receive all the power in the world.

Sure, its worth considering that those people already have a lot of power, but the fact they are worried about the Epstein files and are trying to bury it suggests that this power has limits. And these are limits the American voters were pretty eager to remove for some reason.

Right now Epstein's friends have wormed their way into the very highest echelons of the White House. And not because they were good at covering their tracks. They got where they are because the American electorate knew of their ties with Epstein and made a deliberate choice not to care about it. As such much of the disgust at these files is largely performative on their part. They didn't care then, why would they care now?
 
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