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it's not necessarily what will happen, or even what will happen most of the time, but that definitely can happen.
It's exceedingly rare. Just think about it, if it was quite a decent chance catching a cold from passing by a sick person (or getting eggs at the same time or standing in line for a few minutes), it would be basically automatic that you would get sick if a family member or friend or coworker was sick. However, even when you spend hours with people that are sick, you don't always get sick (I'd be guessing like a 40-60% chance).

I share a hotel room with 4 people during Gencon. One year, the wife of my friend tested covid positive the day after the con. My friend, the husband, who slept in the same bed obviously and the rest of us in the same room sleeping didn't get sick. How are you gonna tell me passing by sick people in a store should be any legit consideration in catching a cold when something like that doesn't even get you sick?
 

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But Jenner, you are getting what you voted for. You should be glad. Grateful even.

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It's exceedingly rare. Just think about it, if it was quite a decent chance catching a cold from passing by a sick person (or getting eggs at the same time or standing in line for a few minutes), it would be basically automatic that you would get sick if a family member or friend or coworker was sick. However, even when you spend hours with people that are sick, you don't always get sick (I'd be guessing like a 40-60% chance).
You keep switching back and forth between treating something as a probability and treating it as a certainty. I assume this inexact language is not intentionally obfuscatory, but it makes it difficult to know what you mean sometimes. Anyway, small chances are relevant to disease transmission, especially in circumstances in which there are lots of potential transmission events (like being near multiple people for relatively short periods of time each in a store). It's a matter of biochemistry and the position of countless particles which is unfathomably complicated. A statistical approach is necessary because of that unfathomable complexity, not because we're actually rolling dice. But that means that small details which might wash out in large statistical analyses can shift the probability of individual events really far in one direction or another. And we won't know how or why in many cases.

I share a hotel room with 4 people during Gencon. One year, the wife of my friend tested covid positive the day after the con. My friend, the husband, who slept in the same bed obviously and the rest of us in the same room sleeping didn't get sick. How are you gonna tell me passing by sick people in a store should be any legit consideration in catching a cold when something like that doesn't even get you sick?
This is anecdotal anyway, but how did the wife of your friend catch it? When did she start showing symptoms and when was she contagious? How well ventilated was that hotel room? Things are not simple, unfortunately.

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Like I keep saying: Hannity and his ilk think that the job of the Pope is to tell them how God loves only them and wants them to dominate everyone else.
 
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You keep switching back and forth between treating something as a probability and treating it as a certainty. I assume this inexact language is not intentionally obfuscatory, but it makes it difficult to know what you mean sometimes. Anyway, small chances are relevant to disease transmission, especially in circumstances in which there are lots of potential transmission events (like being near multiple people for relatively short periods of time each in a store). It's a matter of biochemistry and the position of countless particles which is unfathomably complicated. A statistical approach is necessary because of that unfathomable complexity, not because we're actually rolling dice. But that means that small details which might wash out in large statistical analyses can shift the probability of individual events really far in one direction or another. And we won't know how or why in many cases.



This is anecdotal anyway, but how did the wife of your friend catch it? When did she start showing symptoms and when was she contagious? How well ventilated was that hotel room? Things are not simple, unfortunately.
My logic here is that if you have even just a 1% chance of catching a cold from someone in a grocery store, that ends up being a pretty high chance then when you apply that 1% chance to every interaction you have with a sick person in a store (passing by, looking at the same thing, making small talk, waiting in line together, etc). So if that's true (1% or higher chance), how would it be possible to not get sick from a family member, friend, coworker that you've spent over an hour with in the same room? But that does happen quite often. The grocery store chance has to be well well well below 1% chance would it not? My problem with much of the covid response was that it focused on things that, yes do technically matter, but matter so little, it would hardly make a difference. People actually eating healthy would have a far greater impact on covid spread and severity than wearing a mask to Walmart, the former was ignored and the latter was focused on. Focus on the things that have the bigger impact 1st and work your way down, we did the opposite and focused on the little things that may have done nothing or done very little.

Obviously anecdotal, but I'm sure we all remember several instances of someone you've spent a prolonged period of time with that was sick and you didn't catch it, which is the point I was making. I got one very mild cold this whole cold season (from fall last year through spring this year) and I was with sick people for hours at a time at least 10s of times. The hotel room is probably as ventilated as any other (I have no idea the amount/quality of ventilation in hotel rooms). The con has over 70,000 people that you're sitting at tables for hours playing games with. Then, you have the vendor hall that is like a grocery store on steroids where you have 100s of booths of people selling games and whatnot that you are constantly bumping into people just navigating around. The fact that she tested positive the day after the con ended on Monday means she was almost certainly contagious while we were all in the room because with covid, you don't test positive when don't have symptoms (even though you are contagious). That's why covid testing was pointless because it's not going to tell you that you're positive before symptoms. And once you have symptoms, you know you're sick so stay home and away from people, what does it matter whether it's covid or the flu or rhinovirus? And even if you know whether it's covid or the flu, that doesn't change what you do to treat it either, testing was a waste of time and resources. Literally the one thing to be taken from the covid pandemic and applied thereafter is stay the fuck home when you're sick. But no, people go to work when sick still just like covid never existed. My friend that is a teacher, his school uses covid money funds to provide teachers with a $5,000 year bonus if they call off under X amount of times in a year. Covid money is literally being used to make the spreading of covid and other colds easier, that is how backwards everything is.

Here's a picture of people waiting for the vendor hall to open for example:
 

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Yeah, parallels to Henry 8 come to mind, albeit loosely.
Wars, wives... they both start with 'W'.

My logic here is that if you have even just a 1% chance of catching a cold from someone in a grocery store, that ends up being a pretty high chance then when you apply that 1% chance to every interaction you have with a sick person in a store (passing by, looking at the same thing, making small talk, waiting in line together, etc). So if that's true (1% or higher chance), how would it be possible to not get sick from a family member, friend, coworker that you've spent over an hour with in the same room?
So I can think of one broad category of reasons why you'd see the former and not the latter sometimes: varying receptiveness to the pathogen by the recipient and varying amounts of production of pathogens by the diseased person. Disease transmission isn't only an interaction between individuals, it is also an interaction between the pathogen and the host, which can have varying outcomes with more or less emphasis on suffering or transmission. There could also just be some other reason that transmission might happen at a grocery store, it is hard to say.

Literally the one thing to be taken from the covid pandemic and applied thereafter is stay the fuck home when you're sick. But no, people go to work when sick still just like covid never existed. My friend that is a teacher, his school uses covid money funds to provide teachers with a $5,000 year bonus if they call off under X amount of times in a year. Covid money is literally being used to make the spreading of covid and other colds easier, that is how backwards everything is.
Ugh, yes.
 
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Palantir, whose CEO has never served anything but himself, calls for a universal national service system.


National service should be a universal duty. We should, as a society, seriously consider moving away from an all-volunteer force and only fight the next war if everyone shares in the risk and the cost.
"Everyone", of course, doesn't include the rich and powerful, because they're too important to sacrifice for our resource wars. Plus, with everyone scanned into Palantir's database on induction, controlling the population becomes so much easier!

And let's not mention that almost every country that already has a national service system also has universal health care/child care, because that's just not important
 

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Why present a better alternative than your political opponents when you can just denaturalize and deport them?


Bonus fascism points for naming the act specifically after a political opponent you want to remove.
 
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Why present a better alternative than your political opponents when you can just denaturalize and deport them?


Bonus fascism points for naming the act specifically after a political opponent you want to remove.
Yeah he workshopped that mother fucker backwards.
 

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My logic here is that if you have even just a 1% chance of catching a cold from someone in a grocery store, that ends up being a pretty high chance then when you apply that 1% chance to every interaction you have with a sick person in a store (passing by, looking at the same thing, making small talk, waiting in line together, etc). So if that's true (1% or higher chance), how would it be possible to not get sick from a family member, friend, coworker that you've spent over an hour with in the same room? But that does happen quite often. The grocery store chance has to be well well well below 1% chance would it not? My problem with much of the covid response was that it focused on things that, yes do technically matter, but matter so little, it would hardly make a difference. People actually eating healthy would have a far greater impact on covid spread and severity than wearing a mask to Walmart, the former was ignored and the latter was focused on. Focus on the things that have the bigger impact 1st and work your way down, we did the opposite and focused on the little things that may have done nothing or done very little.

Obviously anecdotal, but I'm sure we all remember several instances of someone you've spent a prolonged period of time with that was sick and you didn't catch it, which is the point I was making. I got one very mild cold this whole cold season (from fall last year through spring this year) and I was with sick people for hours at a time at least 10s of times. The hotel room is probably as ventilated as any other (I have no idea the amount/quality of ventilation in hotel rooms). The con has over 70,000 people that you're sitting at tables for hours playing games with. Then, you have the vendor hall that is like a grocery store on steroids where you have 100s of booths of people selling games and whatnot that you are constantly bumping into people just navigating around. The fact that she tested positive the day after the con ended on Monday means she was almost certainly contagious while we were all in the room because with covid, you don't test positive when don't have symptoms (even though you are contagious). That's why covid testing was pointless because it's not going to tell you that you're positive before symptoms. And once you have symptoms, you know you're sick so stay home and away from people, what does it matter whether it's covid or the flu or rhinovirus? And even if you know whether it's covid or the flu, that doesn't change what you do to treat it either, testing was a waste of time and resources. Literally the one thing to be taken from the covid pandemic and applied thereafter is stay the fuck home when you're sick. But no, people go to work when sick still just like covid never existed. My friend that is a teacher, his school uses covid money funds to provide teachers with a $5,000 year bonus if they call off under X amount of times in a year. Covid money is literally being used to make the spreading of covid and other colds easier, that is how backwards everything is.

Here's a picture of people waiting for the vendor hall to open for example:
Wait... are you blaming money that was paid to keep people going to work when they are sick on Covid? Its the US, this has been around for a while. I dont know about teaching but employers in the US do not give a shit about you being sick or dead. You have to turn up to work. There are so many memes about this
 

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Lookie-look, our would-be technofeudal overlords have published their manifesto

These aren't coherent arguments tho. These aren't a philosophy. Or anything approaching ethics. It's a self-serving and spoiled child throwing a tantrum for being yelled at. Petty grievances disguised as 'cultural critique' and dishonest pseudo-intellectual profundity.

"I'm so smart, and cool, and special, so you have to be nice to me"

Embarrassing.

Also, that "religious intolerance is bad" and "some cultures are just worth less" combo at the end. Subtle.

Anyway, I guess a certain lot have their new bible

Dude, really?
 
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These aren't coherent arguments tho. These aren't a philosophy. Or anything approaching ethics. It's a self-serving and spoiled child throwing a tantrum for being yelled at. Petty grievances disguised as 'cultural critique' and dishonest pseudo-intellectual profundity.

"I'm so smart, and cool, and special, so you have to be nice to me"

Embarrassing.
22 bullet points to make a single claim that could be done in 10 words or less never bodes well for the quality of the claim.
Could have been Uncle Ben, "with great power comes great responsibility."
Alternatively, could have been GLaDOS, "we do what we must because we can."

Also, related point, AI is really dumb.
 

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22 bullet points to make a single claim that could be done in 10 words or less never bodes well for the quality of the claim.
Could have been Uncle Ben, "with great power comes great responsibility."
Alternatively, could have been GLaDOS, "we do what we must because we can."

Also, related point, AI is really dumb.
Which is funny since complete freaks like Musk and Thiel act as if they have a divine right not to use their power responsible, but to break as much as possible, up to democracy itself.
 

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So the “strongest anti migrant laws ever” failed to make it through the Dutch senate. This because Wilders, the one behind the laws voted against them?

Why? Because when passing though parliament Wilders added an amendment about giving a cup of soup to an illegal migrant being a criminal offense, and this passing due to ineptitude on the left. They were off celebrating Keti Coti(celebrating the end of slavery) and thus couldn’t vote agains it. The right wing VVD didn’t help by being their usual opportunistic self. They voted in favor of making giving soup to migrants illegal to virtue signal while assuming it wouldn’t actually pass.

In the senate the bill could only pass if they removed the silly amendment but Wilders considered it absolutely vital that some pastor giving a starving migrant soup could be jailed, so if the amendment got removed he’d vote against.

So now this supposedly existential migrant “threat” lacks measures to deal with it due to Wilders betraying his own cause
 

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Lookie-look, our would-be technofeudal overlords have published their manifesto
In an ideal world, I would hope this weird and dogy manifesto were taken as a sign by my government to end every contract it has with these freaks.
 
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