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I’ve heard from a few different people both locally and abroad via online (like Australia) that some kids as young as elementary school age are now identifying as animals (“furries” IIRC) and even trees. Anything from animals calls to even simply grunting are apparently acceptable responses to questions from classmates and teachers.

I had an eighth grade science teacher that used to say, “Believe none of what you hear and only half of what you see.” So I guess seeing it for myself in a restaurant last week would still make it half true. But in the event it is actually a legit thing, then the next step would be addressing, how are these kids going to ever finish school, without a free pass?
In 2019, 48,000 people claimed "Jedi" as their religion in the Australian census. This has somehow failed to lead to a surge of Force users wreaking havoc.
 

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In 2019, 48,000 people claimed "Jedi" as their religion in the Australian census. This has somehow failed to lead to a surge of Force users wreaking havoc.
Ahh yes, getting people to buy into the whole "identifying as furries" to troll the triggered. Very funny in the lead up to the primaries.
 

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In 2019, 48,000 people claimed "Jedi" as their religion in the Australian census. This has somehow failed to lead to a surge of Force users wreaking havoc.
Irrelevant comparison seeing as how someone who chooses a piece of pop culture as a religion will typically still behave like a human being, which is kind of required for finishing school and succeeding out in the world afterwards. Maybe YouTube will be a place for them to flourish though, who knows.
 

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It's not gonna be a high percentage.
In short: you don't actualy know, but you'll happily assume everything matches your preconception.

In truth, when someone wishes to change something about their body, and the means are readily available, they're encouraged to do so. Unhappy with weight? Nobody argues that you should just "accept" it; it's encouraged to lose it. Its even medically encouraged.

If something is medically advantageous-- such as an appendectomy-- then it's also absolutely fine and encouraged.

So we come to GRS. GRS is medically recognised as the single most effective approach for improving quality of life for those suffering from gender dysphoria. That's the professional, research-supported opinion.

People who hold out and opine that they should just "accept" something that's both 1) changeable and 2) provably advantageous to change are not only being medically illiterate, but also bizarrely out of step with regular attitudes towards other bodily issues.
 

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Welcome to Woke World where Biden or at least his PR script writer hasn't heard of high velocity rifles before.......

 

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Welcome to Woke World where Biden or at least his PR script writer hasn't heard of high velocity rifles before.......

I'm sorry, what's supposed to be "funny" about this? A political candidate making a minor factual error in their speech? You must be rolling with laughter 24/7 due to the fact that the sky is in fact blue.

I'll stay here in the Real World where the former president of the United States is defending him taking top secret information to his home without proper protocol by saying that he declassified them in his head, but they were also planted by the FBI, and also the information wasn't secret to begin with. And wondering why people are "mean" after decades of racist housing practices, lambasting every conceivable minority, inciting an insurrection... fuck, you all know the list. I think that's much funnier.
 

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I’ve heard from a few different people both locally and abroad via online (like Australia) that some kids as young as elementary school age are now identifying as animals (“furries” IIRC) and even trees. Anything from animals calls to even simply grunting are apparently acceptable responses to questions from classmates and teachers.

I had an eighth grade science teacher that used to say, “Believe none of what you hear and only half of what you see.” So I guess seeing it for myself in a restaurant last week would still make it half true. But in the event it is actually a legit thing, then the next step would be addressing, how are these kids going to ever finish school, without a free pass?
Yeah, I think I did that too when I was in elementary school, but I was a dinosaur.
 

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I'm sorry, what's supposed to be "funny" about this? A political candidate making a minor factual error in their speech? You must be rolling with laughter 24/7 due to the fact that the sky is in fact blue.

I'll stay here in the Real World where the former president of the United States is defending him taking top secret information to his home without proper protocol by saying that he declassified them in his head, but they were also planted by the FBI, and also the information wasn't secret to begin with. And wondering why people are "mean" after decades of racist housing practices, lambasting every conceivable minority, inciting an insurrection... fuck, you all know the list. I think that's much funnier.
But that latter part is just really worrying that it was allowed to happen and go on so long and nothing in the system stopped him just walking out with them and holding onto them for so long........
 

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Irrelevant comparison seeing as how someone who chooses a piece of pop culture as a religion will typically still behave like a human being, which is kind of required for finishing school and succeeding out in the world afterwards. Maybe YouTube will be a place for them to flourish though, who knows.
Yeah. Furry and other weirdo identities kids take on themselves (y'know if they actually can't drop them upon asking to behave normally) are manifestations of neuropsychiatric deviations (ADHD, Tourettes, and mainly autistic spectrum). These kids need neuropsychiatric coaching not just for what we nowadays call identity problems, because the next step is furry hentai and erotic visual novels. And that's if they manage to avoid mental health diagnoses.
 

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Are they happening at the same percentage? No
Does that make it uncommon? No
Just because it's sunny more than it rains doesn't mean in a year rain is uncommon in a year in many places.
No thanks

I understand. You're doing the Jordan Peterson thing. You're pretending that the word uncommon has a different meaning than what if normally does. Just to score politcal points. Then you're cranky because no one agrees with you (and if you were JP, you'd just call them cancel culture or Post Modern Marxist. So... thanks I guess, for not doing that.)

It's why I spend a lot of time defining terms with you. It's also why I keep saying this exact statement to you

Don't worry. I'm going to try to change your definition. But anything coming from an argument from you regarding anytime you use uncommon is automatically suspect

So, no. For me, Female superhero lead movies or TV shows is uncommon. Hate Gao all you want. It doesn't make it less true.
 

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Yeah, I think I did that too when I was in elementary school, but I was a dinosaur.
I did that too, but that’s because I was 8 when Jurassic Park came out and it blew my fucking mind.

I also think it’s important to remember that kids in that age range are basically unrestrained Id writ large. Their imagination runs wild in ways very few adults relate to or even remember well from their own childhoods. They’re also devious little bastards with an almost savant like talent for pushing adult’s buttons to annoy them without meaning anything they say or do.

Could some of them be genuine, or as genuine as it’s possible to be? Sure. But my money is on shit stirrers who are too smart for their own good.
 

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The 2nd post I made was from the literal artist for the cover.
..and yet, none of what he said has supports your version of events or attributes any blame to a mysterious cabal of evil "wokes".

Incidentally, DC has now claimed that the alternate version of his art was simply a variant created as part of the "internal creative process" and which was promoted by mistake, and has committed to releasing the original cover. So their version of events doesn't match up with yours either.

You didn't just pull it out of your arse based on established biases and beliefs that themselves are increasingly being shown to be based on utter lies right?
So, here's what feminist geek culture e-zine the Mary Sue had to say about the covers.

https://www.themarysue.com/theres-more-to-people-than-food-but-dc-comics-didnt-get-the-memo/

https://www.themarysue.com/dc-comic...response-to-hispanic-heritage-month-backlash/

They love diversity. It's literally in the first paragraph of their "about us" page, and yet.. wait.. They aren't mindlessly applauding the woke agenda of showing superheroes eating ethnic food. In fact, they're criticizing DC, and referencing twitter discussions which also seem to be highly critical of DC.

What about over on that hive of scum and villainy Resetera? Surely they are gushing woke tears of joy at the ammount of representation on offer in those delicious, delicious tamales..

https://www.resetera.com/threads/cn...ods-on-hispanic-heritage-month-covers.626473/

..oh no, looks like they're broadly critical of the changes to, although there's also a fair contingent of Latin folks who seem to find the alternate cover enjoyable anyway. I guess the Resetera hivemind was broken that day..

Wow, it's almost like you have no idea what progressive opinion actually is and are just assuming that anything you don't like in media is down to the influence of woke culture.

So to be clear unless your support the rather crude awful stereotype drawing on the right you're saying people are bigots?
Actually, the opposite.

My opinion is that using ethnic food as a stand in for groups of people is bigoted and kinda racist. It's not the worst form of bigotry, but it suggests an unwillingness to explore anything about a culture that can't be literally consumed by white people, because ultimately that's the motivation here. The editorial decision here is being made because someone in DC was scared "non-woke" white people wouldn't get or would be turned off by the art on the left, not because the imagine on the right was deemed more progressive or representative.

I'm not going to tell anyone from the culture in question how they should feel about bigotry directed against them, but personally it leaves a bad taste in my mouth and I think DC made the right decision in backtracking.

Comics have catered to a broader audience for decades. Just because some internet blogger site is telling you otherwise doesn't make it so.
Do you not read?

Oh and Terminal it's not me that the company thinks so little of. It's you and your side that they felt the need to make it so blatant and stereotypical just to make sure you guys didn't miss it.
So why does "my side" pretty much universally hate it?

Where are these gullible wokes being suckered into indulging racism in the name of diversity and inclusion?

Oh right, they don't exist. They never existed. You made them up to explain the failings of an industry you pretend to like, because it's easier than admitting that industry is (and always was) run by out of touch white men who think Latin culture is limited to what you can eat, and who are absolutely terrified that anything they don't personally understand or recognize won't net them enough money.

"Go woke go broke", as you people love to say. That cover on the right is what happens when you don't go woke, when you create an environment that views representation as a creative risk, that strives to dial back any form of inclusiveness to the most easily digestible forms. It's what happens when you systematically avoid "politics" (because something something woke SJW cancel culture) and consequentially have to make everything light, accessible and very, very stupid.
 
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I know you're joking, but for the record I was not. Nobody's "soul" is at stake. It's about worse outcomes than average and how correlation is not coincidental.
Would you care to join in my dislike of the hedonism society has embraced?
 

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Would you care to join in my dislike of the hedonism society has embraced?
I dunno, man. Despite steep disagreements over many things we might share some general dislike for hedonism. This particular case isn't about hedonism anyway but about biting the 'acceptance' bullet with weird behavior in school age kids because in theory it could be harmless.
 

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In truth, when someone wishes to change something about their body, and the means are readily available, they're encouraged to do so. Unhappy with weight? Nobody argues that you should just "accept" it; it's encouraged to lose it. Its even medically encouraged.
Note that gender dysphoria isn't the only kind of body dysphoria, and that your assertion here doesn't apply generally. For example, body integrity dysphoria is generally met with attempts at therapy to get them to stop believing they need to change, and surgically altering them in line with their beliefs about themselves is considered ethically contentious at the very best.

Most kinds of body dysphoria are not met with considering or planning for serious drugs or surgery at a young age, either. Gender dysphoria is unique in this. Nobody generally supports giving GLP-1 agonists to teenagers who think they're fat, with an eye to planning gastric sleeve for them by their early 20s. Except in extreme cases. And at least some GLP-1 agonists can be used on label for weight loss, though their primary use is to treat type 2 diabetes.

Also, if you looked say a dozen years ago the data available would consider Lupron a dangerous drug that should be used cautiously in cases of prostate cancer or extremely severe endometriosis that will not respond to other treatment and to be careful about its side effects (stuff like migraines, osteoporosis, anemia, depression, and insulin resistance). Nowadays, you have people treating it like it's more or less entirely harmless to prescribe to early teenagers who are questioning their gender identity.
 

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Note that gender dysphoria isn't the only kind of body dysphoria, and that your assertion here doesn't apply generally. For example, body integrity dysphoria is generally met with attempts at therapy to get them to stop believing they need to change, and surgically altering them in line with their beliefs about themselves is considered ethically contentious at the very best.
Indeed, but that's because those surgical adjustments have a poor success rate at increasing quality of life. The opposite of GRS.

Most kinds of body dysphoria are not met with considering or planning for serious drugs or surgery at a young age, either. Gender dysphoria is unique in this. Nobody generally supports giving GLP-1 agonists to teenagers who think they're fat, with an eye to planning gastric sleeve for them by their early 20s. Except in extreme cases.
Because of puberty. If pre-pubescent children are not given puberty blockers, then they will nonetheless go through a strenuous bodily change-- one that is more permanent than the blockers themselves. There is no analogue to this in the weight-loss analogy.
 

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He said, with no evidence besides his personal feelings
Do I need evidence to prove pizza is popular?

It doesn't matter whether or not a person "accepts" their body. The relationship between a person and their body is not a normal relation of ownership, it's a necessary condition of being a person at all. That's what makes the state of alienation from your own body particularly harmful, because it's inescapable. You seem to be upset that bodies are being blamed or held responsible for some imagined wrongdoing, but those bodies don't have independent existence which can be held to some interpersonal moral standard. They are an indispensable part of a person, who has to live with them.

Thus, the relevant question isn't "who is at fault" or "who is wrong" the question is "how can we (the medical profession) help?" If someone feels a sense of alienation from their own body that is harming their quality of life, the only relevant medical question is what course of action will yield the greatest likelihood of a positive outcome when weighed against the risks and associated cost.

And while there may be cases where providing someone with surgery won't necessarily help them or would be considered too risky to justify the potential benefits, there are far, far more cases when it can help enormously. Even with fully cosmetic (as opposed to reconstructive or therepeutic) procedures, the vast majority of research shows that people who have cosmetic procedures are overwhelmingly satisfied with the results and, in most cases, experience percieved improvement in their quality of life as a result. This puritanical idea we've all been fed that cosmetic surgery is about washed up celebrities trying to look 20 forever doesn't match up with reality at all. Most people's quality of life is heavily tied up with how they feel about their own bodies, and most people who seek surgery to alter their bodies understand what they are doing and have realistic expectations of the outcome.
I'm sure most people are satisfied with getting what they want. Someone asking for a cookie and getting one will say they are more satisfied than someone that was denied the cookie, but in the long ruLearning to accept things for what they are puts you in a better mental health state most of the time.

Famous quote from a Michael Philip Jagger:

You can't always get what you want
But if you try sometime you'll find
You get what you need


In 2019, 48,000 people claimed "Jedi" as their religion in the Australian census. This has somehow failed to lead to a surge of Force users wreaking havoc.
Identifying as a Jedi and following their general philosophy are 2 very different things.


In short: you don't actualy know, but you'll happily assume everything matches your preconception.

In truth, when someone wishes to change something about their body, and the means are readily available, they're encouraged to do so. Unhappy with weight? Nobody argues that you should just "accept" it; it's encouraged to lose it. Its even medically encouraged.

If something is medically advantageous-- such as an appendectomy-- then it's also absolutely fine and encouraged.

So we come to GRS. GRS is medically recognised as the single most effective approach for improving quality of life for those suffering from gender dysphoria. That's the professional, research-supported opinion.

People who hold out and opine that they should just "accept" something that's both 1) changeable and 2) provably advantageous to change are not only being medically illiterate, but also bizarrely out of step with regular attitudes towards other bodily issues.
Again, do I need to prove other common sense things like pizza is a popular food?

It's been encouraged now to accept being obese and not to shame obese people instead of telling them that maybe they should eat healthy... Mysterious posted a bullshit science about how being overweight is beneficial in another thread for example.

There's only been like one large study on it, which could have poor methods like how the following Swedish study had to be corrected and it looks like the one major study that says GRS is good used the same type of methods as the study that was corrected.