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I have no problem with this as long as they don't shoot people if they are solely designed to maintain order and control the flow of people.
 

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I showed the UK experienced a significant uptick, to a pretty damn severe level, immediately following the worst stage of the pandemic. I'm sorry if you don't have the stats for Sweden-- seeing as you're the one who's specifically interested in Sweden's response.



Nor is covid's impact just the impact of the public health policies implemented in response, as your source wants to pretend.



Lol, no it doesn't. It doesn't normalise anything-- it just calculates a baseline and then measures anything over it, regardless of source.



O.....k? This entire long rambling paragraph is pretty irrelevant to the point. Which is that dozens of factors influenced the severity of covid facing each country before we even factor the public health policies in.



Do you simply not understand that weather shifts? Or do you just want to assume absolutely everything is down to covid policies? Do you have any basis to make that causative link whatsoever?
Like everyone had an uptick in flu when it came back because it was gone for like a year and a half and you had the lowest flu immunity in the population in quite awhile. Much like how RSV spiked everywhere after covid no longer was the dominant upper respiratory infection. You gonna post UK RSV deaths next and act like the UK had some unique RSV surge in deaths?

Why couldn't everyone have basically done an Australia if they wanted to?

Again, excess deaths is the better starting point (not some perfect metric) as many places have said. It's perhaps, I don't know, scientific consensus (your favorite 2 words).

So what weather shift did the UK have? If something changed significantly during the pandemic, it was probably because of the pandemic, that's the most likely explanation.
 

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Like everyone had an uptick in flu when it came back because it was gone for like a year and a half and you had the lowest flu immunity in the population in quite awhile. Much like how RSV spiked everywhere after covid no longer was the dominant upper respiratory infection. You gonna post UK RSV deaths next and act like the UK had some unique RSV surge in deaths?
Never said it was unique. I said different counties have different excess deaths due to plenty of factors that are unrelated to covid lockdowns, one of which is flu.

Why couldn't everyone have basically done an Australia if they wanted to?
Non-sequitur.

Again, excess deaths is the better starting point (not some perfect metric) as many places have said. It's perhaps, I don't know, scientific consensus (your favorite 2 words).
There is no scientific consensus that the only thing driving a country's excess death rate is the adverse effect of public health policy. Absolutely nobody is making that claim except a libertarian blog.

So what weather shift did the UK have? If something changed significantly during the pandemic, it was probably because of the pandemic, that's the most likely explanation.
The pandemic shifted the climate so drastically that it increased the excess deaths by thousands in just a year or two? That's a pretty incredible hypothesis, but I'm sure you've got plenty of supporting evidence.[/quote]
 

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Never said it was unique. I said different counties have different excess deaths due to plenty of factors that are unrelated to covid lockdowns, one of which is flu.
There is no scientific consensus that the only thing driving a country's excess death rate is the adverse effect of public health policy. Absolutely nobody is making that claim except a libertarian blog.


Non-sequitur.


The pandemic shifted the climate so drastically that it increased the excess deaths by thousands in just a year or two? That's a pretty incredible hypothesis, but I'm sure you've got plenty of supporting evidence.
Strawman. It's a scientific consensus that excess deaths are the better starting point for how impactful the pandemic was vs covid deaths. The WHO is a libertarian blog?

So Australia massively stopped the spread of covid early on not due to public health policy?

Policy and effects of public health policy (that has very far reaching effects) is more likely than a weather event(s) that seem to be non-existent as you haven't provided any weather explanation yet.
 

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Strawman. It's a scientific consensus that excess deaths are the better starting point for how impactful the pandemic was vs covid deaths. The WHO is a libertarian blog?
Yet "how impactful the pandemic was" isn't what you used excess deaths to measure. You were using it to determine how bad a country's public health response was. There is absolutely zero scientific consensus behind that; the WHO never made any such claim.

So Australia massively stopped the spread of covid early on not due to public health policy?
No idea why you're trying to talk about Australia now. I have no interest in merrily skipping onto different subjects every couple of minutes.

Policy and effects of public health policy (that has very far reaching effects) is more likely than a weather event(s) that seem to be non-existent as you haven't provided any weather explanation yet.
Fluctuation in climate and weather is "non-existent"? It literally happens every single year.

Why do you think the winter excess deaths fluctuated so much before covid-19 even existed? How can that be so, if only covid policies could possibly impact them?
 

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Yet "how impactful the pandemic was" isn't what you used excess deaths to measure. You were using it to determine how bad a country's public health response was. There is absolutely zero scientific consensus behind that; the WHO never made any such claim.



No idea why you're trying to talk about Australia now. I have no interest in merrily skipping onto different subjects every couple of minutes.



Fluctuation in climate and weather is "non-existent"? It literally happens every single year.

Why do you think the winter excess deaths fluctuated so much before covid-19 even existed? How can that be so, if only covid policies could possibly impact them?
Countries also use different processes to test and report COVID-19 deaths, making comparisons difficult. To overcome these challenges, many countries have turned to excess mortality as a more accurate measure of the true impact of the pandemic.

Excess mortality is defined as the difference in the total number of deaths in a crisis compared to those expected under normal conditions. COVID-19 excess mortality accounts for both the total number of deaths directly attributed to the virus as well as the indirect impact, such as disruption to essential health services or travel disruptions.


You said "Nor is covid's impact just the impact of the public health policies implemented in response, as your source wants to pretend." I guess Australia just got lucky. If public health policy isn't really that important, then why are you even for lockdowns or masks or anything then? You do realize everyone had the chance (via public health policy) to do what Australia did, right?

Oh, I didn't realize you originally said winter deaths, not cold deaths, winter deaths includes all deaths in the winter including covid.
 

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Countries also use different processes to test and report COVID-19 deaths, making comparisons difficult. To overcome these challenges, many countries have turned to excess mortality as a more accurate measure of the true impact of the pandemic.

Excess mortality is defined as the difference in the total number of deaths in a crisis compared to those expected under normal conditions. COVID-19 excess mortality accounts for both the total number of deaths directly attributed to the virus as well as the indirect impact, such as disruption to essential health services or travel disruptions.
Are you still not grasping the difference between the impact of the pandemic on a country and the impact of public health policies? Hell, your second quoted paragraph there even explicitly states that excess deaths account for more than just the latter, as if that needed to be clearer.

If public health policy isn't really that important [...]
Lol nice strawman. "Doesn't account for all excess deaths" = "unimportant" apparently. Please try harder.

Oh, I didn't realize you originally said winter deaths, not cold deaths, winter deaths includes all deaths in the winter including covid.
...and including cold and associated issues. So answer the question: if these excess deaths can all be attributed to covid policies, why did excess deaths fluctuate so much year by year in the winter before covid-19 ever existed?
 

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Are you still not grasping the difference between the impact of the pandemic on a country and the impact of public health policies? Hell, your second quoted paragraph there even explicitly states that excess deaths account for more than just the latter, as if that needed to be clearer.



Lol nice strawman. "Doesn't account for all excess deaths" = "unimportant" apparently. Please try harder.



...and including cold and associated issues. So answer the question: if these excess deaths can all be attributed to covid policies, why did excess deaths fluctuate so much year by year in the winter before covid-19 ever existed?
Again, what was stopping every country from not pulling an Australia with its public health policy? Or was the impact of the pandemic on Australia totally independent from their public health policy?

Deaths from things fluctuate and there's usually a reason, just like there's more deaths here, there will be less deaths there. You can't provide any reason for this increase when there are always reasons for it. You (nor no one) has any data showing any of these covid lockdowns/restrictions did anything to improve the present outcomes during the pandemic nor overall future outcomes.
 

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Again, what was stopping every country from not pulling an Australia with its public health policy? Or was the impact of the pandemic on Australia totally independent from their public health policy?
Non-sequitur attempt to shift the conversation. We weren't talking about Australia.

Deaths from things fluctuate and there's usually a reason, just like there's more deaths here, there will be less deaths there. You can't provide any reason for this increase when there are always reasons for it.
You know, the reason for it doesn't even actually matter to my argument one bit. Because it happened before covid-19 ever existed, it cannot be down to covid policies. That's all that matters for my point.
 

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Non-sequitur attempt to shift the conversation. We weren't talking about Australia.



You know, the reason for it doesn't even actually matter to my argument one bit. Because it happened before covid-19 ever existed, it cannot be down to covid policies. That's all that matters for my point.
The key subject in my reply was public health policy, not Australia.

And in the source I linked last time there was an decent uptick was because of the flu. The reason is important because it could be due to covid policies, without the reason then I don't know obviously.
 

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The key subject in my reply was public health policy, not Australia.
Then don't ask speculative questions about specifically Australia's situation.

And in the source I linked last time there was an decent uptick was because of the flu. The reason is important because it could be due to covid policies, without the reason then I don't know obviously.
Before covid-19 ever existed, it couldn't be due to covid-19 policies, could it?

So: excess deaths can vary hugely independently of covid policies. Can't they?
 

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TLDR: It's too expensive to raise a family in that school district due to high property taxes, and home prices.

Imagine being an Apple employee, and that school district does have Apple's headquarters. All you do is make devices to addict children to social media. That is your legacy. You make great money, but you have no kids. Well, congrats you make the planet a worse place to live, and that is the only thing you can leave as a legacy. I hope the hedonistic treadmill and high salary were worth it. That right there is a Tucker Carlson segment right there.

No wonder Trump and the alt-right are winning.

It just sucks Tucker Carlson, and Trump hates undocumented migrants that come via our southern border, you know the people who actually want to have children, and leave a good lasting legacy for their children.
 

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