Like everyone had an uptick in flu when it came back because it was gone for like a year and a half and you had the lowest flu immunity in the population in quite awhile. Much like how RSV spiked everywhere after covid no longer was the dominant upper respiratory infection. You gonna post UK RSV deaths next and act like the UK had some unique RSV surge in deaths?I showed the UK experienced a significant uptick, to a pretty damn severe level, immediately following the worst stage of the pandemic. I'm sorry if you don't have the stats for Sweden-- seeing as you're the one who's specifically interested in Sweden's response.
Nor is covid's impact just the impact of the public health policies implemented in response, as your source wants to pretend.
Lol, no it doesn't. It doesn't normalise anything-- it just calculates a baseline and then measures anything over it, regardless of source.
O.....k? This entire long rambling paragraph is pretty irrelevant to the point. Which is that dozens of factors influenced the severity of covid facing each country before we even factor the public health policies in.
Do you simply not understand that weather shifts? Or do you just want to assume absolutely everything is down to covid policies? Do you have any basis to make that causative link whatsoever?
Never said it was unique. I said different counties have different excess deaths due to plenty of factors that are unrelated to covid lockdowns, one of which is flu.Like everyone had an uptick in flu when it came back because it was gone for like a year and a half and you had the lowest flu immunity in the population in quite awhile. Much like how RSV spiked everywhere after covid no longer was the dominant upper respiratory infection. You gonna post UK RSV deaths next and act like the UK had some unique RSV surge in deaths?
Non-sequitur.Why couldn't everyone have basically done an Australia if they wanted to?
There is no scientific consensus that the only thing driving a country's excess death rate is the adverse effect of public health policy. Absolutely nobody is making that claim except a libertarian blog.Again, excess deaths is the better starting point (not some perfect metric) as many places have said. It's perhaps, I don't know, scientific consensus (your favorite 2 words).
The pandemic shifted the climate so drastically that it increased the excess deaths by thousands in just a year or two? That's a pretty incredible hypothesis, but I'm sure you've got plenty of supporting evidence.[/quote]So what weather shift did the UK have? If something changed significantly during the pandemic, it was probably because of the pandemic, that's the most likely explanation.
Strawman. It's a scientific consensus that excess deaths are the better starting point for how impactful the pandemic was vs covid deaths. The WHO is a libertarian blog?Never said it was unique. I said different counties have different excess deaths due to plenty of factors that are unrelated to covid lockdowns, one of which is flu.
There is no scientific consensus that the only thing driving a country's excess death rate is the adverse effect of public health policy. Absolutely nobody is making that claim except a libertarian blog.
Non-sequitur.
The pandemic shifted the climate so drastically that it increased the excess deaths by thousands in just a year or two? That's a pretty incredible hypothesis, but I'm sure you've got plenty of supporting evidence.
Yet "how impactful the pandemic was" isn't what you used excess deaths to measure. You were using it to determine how bad a country's public health response was. There is absolutely zero scientific consensus behind that; the WHO never made any such claim.Strawman. It's a scientific consensus that excess deaths are the better starting point for how impactful the pandemic was vs covid deaths. The WHO is a libertarian blog?
No idea why you're trying to talk about Australia now. I have no interest in merrily skipping onto different subjects every couple of minutes.So Australia massively stopped the spread of covid early on not due to public health policy?
Fluctuation in climate and weather is "non-existent"? It literally happens every single year.Policy and effects of public health policy (that has very far reaching effects) is more likely than a weather event(s) that seem to be non-existent as you haven't provided any weather explanation yet.
Countries also use different processes to test and report COVID-19 deaths, making comparisons difficult. To overcome these challenges, many countries have turned to excess mortality as a more accurate measure of the true impact of the pandemic.Yet "how impactful the pandemic was" isn't what you used excess deaths to measure. You were using it to determine how bad a country's public health response was. There is absolutely zero scientific consensus behind that; the WHO never made any such claim.
No idea why you're trying to talk about Australia now. I have no interest in merrily skipping onto different subjects every couple of minutes.
Fluctuation in climate and weather is "non-existent"? It literally happens every single year.
Why do you think the winter excess deaths fluctuated so much before covid-19 even existed? How can that be so, if only covid policies could possibly impact them?
Are you still not grasping the difference between the impact of the pandemic on a country and the impact of public health policies? Hell, your second quoted paragraph there even explicitly states that excess deaths account for more than just the latter, as if that needed to be clearer.Countries also use different processes to test and report COVID-19 deaths, making comparisons difficult. To overcome these challenges, many countries have turned to excess mortality as a more accurate measure of the true impact of the pandemic.
Excess mortality is defined as the difference in the total number of deaths in a crisis compared to those expected under normal conditions. COVID-19 excess mortality accounts for both the total number of deaths directly attributed to the virus as well as the indirect impact, such as disruption to essential health services or travel disruptions.
Lol nice strawman. "Doesn't account for all excess deaths" = "unimportant" apparently. Please try harder.If public health policy isn't really that important [...]
...and including cold and associated issues. So answer the question: if these excess deaths can all be attributed to covid policies, why did excess deaths fluctuate so much year by year in the winter before covid-19 ever existed?Oh, I didn't realize you originally said winter deaths, not cold deaths, winter deaths includes all deaths in the winter including covid.
Again, what was stopping every country from not pulling an Australia with its public health policy? Or was the impact of the pandemic on Australia totally independent from their public health policy?Are you still not grasping the difference between the impact of the pandemic on a country and the impact of public health policies? Hell, your second quoted paragraph there even explicitly states that excess deaths account for more than just the latter, as if that needed to be clearer.
Lol nice strawman. "Doesn't account for all excess deaths" = "unimportant" apparently. Please try harder.
...and including cold and associated issues. So answer the question: if these excess deaths can all be attributed to covid policies, why did excess deaths fluctuate so much year by year in the winter before covid-19 ever existed?
Non-sequitur attempt to shift the conversation. We weren't talking about Australia.Again, what was stopping every country from not pulling an Australia with its public health policy? Or was the impact of the pandemic on Australia totally independent from their public health policy?
You know, the reason for it doesn't even actually matter to my argument one bit. Because it happened before covid-19 ever existed, it cannot be down to covid policies. That's all that matters for my point.Deaths from things fluctuate and there's usually a reason, just like there's more deaths here, there will be less deaths there. You can't provide any reason for this increase when there are always reasons for it.
The key subject in my reply was public health policy, not Australia.Non-sequitur attempt to shift the conversation. We weren't talking about Australia.
You know, the reason for it doesn't even actually matter to my argument one bit. Because it happened before covid-19 ever existed, it cannot be down to covid policies. That's all that matters for my point.
Then don't ask speculative questions about specifically Australia's situation.The key subject in my reply was public health policy, not Australia.
Before covid-19 ever existed, it couldn't be due to covid-19 policies, could it?And in the source I linked last time there was an decent uptick was because of the flu. The reason is important because it could be due to covid policies, without the reason then I don't know obviously.
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