Funny Events of the "Woke" world

[Gergar12]

You keep saying that, and then cheering for murder to prevent any sort of pressure against them. Absolute blackpilled defeatism.

Cheering for what murder I am against the war in Gaza and indiscriminate bombings. I am also against famines. You can believe two things at the same time. Further more 10 Houthi solders die in a boat attack they started and no one die in Biden’s attacks on their weapons warehouses and radar sites. The Houthi leadership is playing you like a fiddle.

 

[crimson5pheonix]

Cheering for what murder I am against the war in Gaza and indiscriminate bombings. I am also against famines. You can believe two things at the same time. Further more 10 Houthi solders die in a boat attack they started and no one die in Biden’s attacks on their weapons warehouses and radar sites. The Houthi leadership is playing you like a fiddle.

5 killed in US-led strikes in Yemen, Houthi rebels say

U.S.-led airstrikes on Houthi targets in Yemen on Thursday killed at least five people, according to the rebels. Six people were also wounded, the Houthis said. A Houthi official in their foreign m…

thehill.com

Wrong. The US is killing people in actual defense of genocide, that is wrong on every level.

 

[Gergar12]

5 killed in US-led strikes in Yemen, Houthi rebels say

U.S.-led airstrikes on Houthi targets in Yemen on Thursday killed at least five people, according to the rebels. Six people were also wounded, the Houthis said. A Houthi official in their foreign m…

thehill.com

Wrong. The US is killing people in actual defense of genocide, that is wrong on every level.

That's what happens when you block the international waterways which can also get people killed indirectly. I guess I was wrong on those five deaths because the first strike was at night, and used PGMs.

 

[Ag3ma]

Also, they could just hide the tanks and logistics in Cargo ships, and Trucks like Wagner.

Dude. We're talking about supplying a substantial military force for active operations. You don't just hide some shit in a couple of lorries, you need a massive transport operation.

 

[Gergar12]

Dude. We're talking about supplying a substantial military force for active operations. You don't just hide some shit in a couple of lorries, you need a massive transport operation.

The US wouldn't have enough bombs to hit them and disrupt them completely without eating into their stockpiles to deter China from Taiwan, and the Iranians still have somewhat of an economy they are still making 3rd gen planes, ballistic missiles, drones, tanks, rocket launching trucks, etc. They are also likely trading with China and Russia.

 

[Phoenixmgs]

Agreed.



?! The UK usually has ~20-23% higher excess winter deaths per capita than Sweden, though it fluctuates hugely from year to year-- for instance there was a difference of over 15,000 between '17/18 and '18/19. So, now that we know it A) is a lot higher than Sweden regardless of covid; and B) fluctuates hugely regardless of covid... what can we conclude? We can conclude that the UK has plenty of reasons for a high or fluctuating excess death toll that are nothing to do with covid.



Yep. Which is why it works as a metric for the impact of the covid pandemic. Which isn't the same thing as using it as a metric for the impact of a public health policy.

You haven't shown that the difference during the pandemic wasn't because of the pandemic.

Public health policy can greatly alter the impact of the covid pandemic... If it can't, then what's the point of stuff like mask mandates, vaccine mandates, lockdowns/restrictions?

 

[Gergar12]

Lasan.

 

[Silvanus]

You haven't shown that the difference during the pandemic wasn't because of the pandemic.

why would we assume it was!?

If you want to believe that the difference in excess winter deaths was solely down to the pandemic, then you must believe that without the pandemic....the UK and Sweden would magically have achieved parity and stopped fluctuating. Why would that happen? Why would the existing trends magically disappear?

Public health policy can greatly alter the impact of the covid pandemic... If it can't, then what's the point of stuff like mask mandates, vaccine mandates, lockdowns/restrictions?

Of course it can. Having a major impact =/= accounting for everything, there are no other factors.

 

[Phoenixmgs]

why would we assume it was!?

If you want to believe that the difference in excess winter deaths was solely down to the pandemic, then you must believe that without the pandemic....the UK and Sweden would magically have achieved parity and stopped fluctuating. Why would that happen? Why would the existing trends magically disappear?



Of course it can. Having a major impact =/= accounting for everything, there are no other factors.

Because covid restrictions had huge very wide-reaching effects. Chances are high it was covid restrictions.

If covid is by the biggest cause of the increase of excess deaths, it will have the greatest impact on excess deaths. The consensus is that excess deaths is the better metric.

 

[Silvanus]

Because covid restrictions had huge very wide-reaching effects. Chances are high it was covid restrictions.

So let me get this straight. Before covid, there was a huge difference in winter deaths between Sweden and the UK. Then as soon as covid hit, if it wasn't for public health policy, you believe that massive existing difference would just... not exist any more?

If covid is by the biggest cause of the increase of excess deaths, it will have the greatest impact on excess deaths. The consensus is that excess deaths is the better metric.

The greatest single factor =/= the sole major factor.

And no, yet again, the consensus is that its the among the strongest metrics for the impact of the pandemic. Not for the purported negative impact of public health policy. I've still not seen a single source using it for that, except for your shitty axe-grinding libertarian blog.

 

[Phoenixmgs]

So let me get this straight. Before covid, there was a huge difference in winter deaths between Sweden and the UK. Then as soon as covid hit, if it wasn't for public health policy, you believe that massive existing difference would just... not exist any more?



The greatest single factor =/= the sole major factor.

And no, yet again, the consensus is that its the among the strongest metrics for the impact of the pandemic. Not for the purported negative impact of public health policy. I've still not seen a single source using it for that, except for your shitty axe-grinding libertarian blog.

It seems like the difference between UK and Sweden was only 5% difference from their normal difference.

Public health can dictate the impact of covid (e.g. Australia). You do realize people were claiming that by not being for lockdowns would thousands upon thousands of people to die (which didn't happen in places that didn't lockdown). Just look at how mad people were at for Florida keeping beaches open (when closing beaches would do nothing but probably increase the spread). Pretty funny how Florida immediately stopped visitation to nursing homes and didn't let covid patients to return back to nursing homes while the virtue signalling left like Cuomo did.

 

[Silvanus]

It seems like the difference between UK and Sweden was only 5% difference from their normal difference.

...but their normal difference was still there. Still accounting for a big chunk of the excess deaths that your source attributed solely to covid policies.

Public health can dictate the impact of covid (e.g. Australia).

It is, very very obviously, not the sole determinant.

The rest is waffle.

 

[Hades]

One funny event in woke world is how enamored sections of the left are with the Houthis. I know the enemy of your enemy is your friend but....c'mon. They're totalitarian theocratic butchers who aren't placed on the same level as ISIS and Al Quada solely because they aren't as well known. If the Houthis ever got their hands on their left leaning fans they'd hang them.

Trade disruptions also aren't things the lower classes or the global south can just shrug off.

 

[Phoenixmgs]

...but their normal difference was still there. Still accounting for a big chunk of the excess deaths that your source attributed solely to covid policies.



It is, very very obviously, not the sole determinant.

The rest is waffle.

Which were probably covid deaths, it's just any deaths that occurred in the winter.

That was the narrative that if you were anti-mask or anti-lockdown, you wanna kill grandma and grandpa. If public health policy is just a small part of covid mitigation, why was it made to be so important?

 

[Ag3ma]

One funny event in woke world is how enamored sections of the left are with the Houthis. I know the enemy of your enemy is your friend but....c'mon. They're totalitarian theocratic butchers who aren't placed on the same level as ISIS and Al Quada solely because they aren't as well known.

I don't think this is true - or at least, it's a major exaggeration.

I think the Houthis have been at the wrong end of a great deal of expensive PR, caught up in the rivalry between Iran and Saudi Arabia. Iran of course is the "enemy", and Saudi Arabia is the West's quasi-ally and buys lots of its expensive, destructive toys, so our governments and media have been happy to pass off Saudi Arabia's line relatively uncritically.

Mostly, I think the Houthis are sort of nationalists, albeit with an element of intertribal dominance (Yemeni society and government being very fractured). Whilst definitely not moderates or nice people, I don't think the Houthis have anything like ISIS or Al-Qaida's notions of global religious war. I suspect if they were basically left to their own business, they'd feel very little need to bother anyone else.

 

[Silvanus]

Which were probably covid deaths, it's just any deaths that occurred in the winter.

So you genuinely think all existing trends suddenly ended when covid began? Incredible.

That was the narrative that if you were anti-mask or anti-lockdown, you wanna kill grandma and grandpa. If public health policy is just a small part of covid mitigation, why was it made to be so important?

Nobody is saying its "just a small part". You apparently can't wrap your head around the idea that something can have more than one significant factor.

 

[Phoenixmgs]

So you genuinely think all existing trends suddenly ended when covid began? Incredible.



Nobody is saying its "just a small part". You apparently can't wrap your head around the idea that something can have more than one significant factor.

You said their normal difference was still there. How did I say the normal trends ended?

And people can't wrap their head around the idea there's no evidence lockdowns or masks saved lives either.

 

[Silvanus]

You said their normal difference was still there. How did I say the normal trends ended?

If you believe that the entire discrepancy between the two countries during covid was down to covid policies, that means you think that without covid, there would be no discrepancy.

...because if there would've been a discrepancy anyway, then it can't solely be down to covid policies.

And people can't wrap their head around the idea there's no evidence lockdowns or masks saved lives either.

Nice deflection. But no, there's still plenty of evidence, you just have very poor scientific literacy and refuse to accept it.

 

[Gergar12]

Yes let's leave the Middle East, and give all of the oil trade routes to Iran so that energy prices will go to 120 dollars a barrel when Iran taxes them, and does piracy on the Strait of Hormuz.

 

[Phoenixmgs]

If you believe that the entire discrepancy between the two countries during covid was down to covid policies, that means you think that without covid, there would be no discrepancy.

...because if there would've been a discrepancy anyway, then it can't solely be down to covid policies.



Nice deflection. But no, there's still plenty of evidence, you just have very poor scientific literacy and refuse to accept it.

You said there was the normal discrepancy and then +5% more winter deaths in the UK. So how did the existing trends just end?

There's far more evidence pointing to lockdowns and masks not doing anything, you can choose to believe otherwise but that's a then a religion and not science.