LMAO, apparently there's a major uproar about Biden calling an illegal immigrant an illegal immigrant. This is actually why we are completely unable to talk about shit that actually matters.
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I believe my position to be correct. But i'm not using that as a premise for a supporting point.
I don't want more speculation. Where's your evidence for this dramatic change after retirement, unique to that profession?
More funny events in the Labour world. A Tory donor aimed racist comments at black MP Diane Abbott, and there was a hearing on it in parliament.
Lindsay Hoyle runs interference again to make sure that the one person nobody hears from on the subject of racism is the woman at the center of the racism claims. She also can't speak as a member of the Labour party as she's been kicked out for opposing Israel.
Now, Labour will still use her to raise money of course. They won't say her name or anything like that, she is after all, a prop.
Lindsay Hoyle runs interference again to make sure that the one person nobody hears from on the subject of racism is the woman at the center of the racism claims. She also can't speak as a member of the Labour party as she's been kicked out for opposing Israel.
Now, Labour will still use her to raise money of course. They won't say her name or anything like that, she is after all, a prop.
It literally makes no sense for that study to involve young people. You were literally arguing that if they don't wrestle anymore, they aren't sumo wrestlers so that proves they were still wrestling!!!
Where's your evidence you can get diabetes through other means than not over consuming sugar?
....if we presume your position to be correct, which I don't. Young people can have diabetes. I literally know some of them.
This is a strawman. I've been saying overeating sugar is not the primary risk factor. Sugar obviously still plays a role-- but people can have inadequate insulin and/or diabetes without a sugar intake that's well beyond average.
I didn't say they couldn't. I said if you have a study full of young people for diabetes (or any other disease normally gotten later in life), you'd have a very small diabetes group to be able to find possible links/associations.
It's not a strawman, I've been saying the only way to get diabetes is over consumption of sugar for a long time in this line of replies, this is what I've said from the start. You don't get to claim strawman when you're the one strawmanning. Sugar is literally the direct/root cause of diabetes. If you don't over consume sugar, you don't get high blood sugar, you don't get inflammation, you don't get insulin resistance, you don't get diabetes. Sugar is literally the first step along the line of events that lead directly to diabetes. Just list another cause of diabetes then that doesn't involve consuming too much sugar and you've won the argument and proved me wrong.
Since evidence isn't required: being fat and sedentary.
And thus finally the argument has ended.
OK. But if you want to look at how certain lifestyles/professions may impact diabetes risk, you're going to have to look at people living those lifestyles/professions.
It seems that all you really have any more is repeated insistence.
It's well documented that dozens of factors can influence the body's likelihood to develop insulin resistance. Diet is one of them-- but not required. Genetics, age, and (particularly) weight are also key indicators. Even pregnancy.
So, the sugar leads to high blood sugar. But that need not be through overindulgence. An average and normal amount of sugar, in a body that is incapable of properly accommodating it, will develop high blood sugar.
I mean, this isn't even really up for discussion. It's all well documented and medically undisputed.
This is like step 1 to figuring out something. You find an association so then you have a hypothesis that that thing causes XYZ, then you have to prove the hypothesis.
Those are again associations not causes. The reason for like red meat being considered bad for you is merely because people that don't eat red meat usually don't eat it because they were told it's bad and those people follow health guidelines, while those that do eat red meat usually don't care about trying to eat healthy and eat what they want. Thus, you'll find an association with red meat with several diseases but you don't know if it's the red meat or the 100s of other things that group of people also normally eat. And then you have the massive inaccuracy of what people say they eat vs what they do actually eat. That's basically every nutritional study you see when it says wine or eggs or chocolate are linked to such and such harm or benefit. These aren't good studies.
If you don't eat/drink foods with added sugars, you don't get high blood sugar. For example, look at a glucometer readings after eating an orange vs a slice of white bread or orange juice. The orange that has more sugar than a slice of bread gives a much lower glucometer reading as the bread's processed/refined grains translate into more "added sugar" than an orange. 10 grams of sugar from an orange and 10 grams of sugar from orange juice/pop are 2 very different things to your body, which you can see in the glucometer readings after consuming them.
All of which they've done. They know that diabetes is associated with being overweight. So they did a study to check if this pretty unique subset of people who are overweight also suffered from higher rates. And they found they did. That's valuable data, in helping to identify the relative severity of risk factors.
Whereas you're speculating that they did a study specifically on retired sumo wrestlers, to investigate something that has nothing to do with their profession, and could've just been done with anyone.
The causal relationship between obesity and insulin resistance is known and documented.
Everybody intakes sugar in some proportion, so this is meaningless.
And yet, some people who eat no more than average still develop insulin resistance and diabetes. Which leaves your insistence that overindulgence of sugar is the only thing that causes diabetes untenable.
They know diabetes is associated with being overweight, I didn't say that wasn't true. I said that being overweight isn't a cause of diabetes, you know the second thing to prove your hypothesis hasn't been done which you say "all of which they've done" and that isn't true.
I said the study wasn't done on sumo wrestlers that are still wrestling. I never said it could be done on anyone.
You can have insulin resistance and not even be overweight. It's just that the cause of insulin resistance usually also causes you being overweight.
Notice how I said "added sugars" and not just sugar. That was the whole point of the orange example. Who has consumed the recommended amount of sugar and developed diabetes?
Say it with me again: risk factors are not direct causes.
Yet you are arguing that the factors that made this group particularly likely to develop diabetes had nothing to do with their profession.
Uh-huh, you can. But obesity is the greatest risk factor. Again: this is well documented and not seriously disputed.
"Added sugars", OK. And what do you actually mean by that? Which sugars? And why do people who don't eat any more 'added sugars' than average also develop diabetes?
I said you were right about that... I said I don't care about associations unless they actually contribute to causing said thing. You said they proved that being overweight is causal, which isn't true.
I said it's hard for them to transition to a normal diet after wrestling, that seems to have at least something to do with their profession.
I misread you're previous statement on that.
I'm literally agreeing with the link you posted ages ago, but because I said it, it must be wrong and questioned. Natural sugars that come with fiber are OK to have because the body processes them differently. Hence, why I said to compare a glucometer reading when eating an orange vs the same sugar from another source that is all added sugars (or free sugar from your article). Humans have eaten foods from nature for far far far longer than our processed diet now and our body/digestive track is used being able to handle a rather low amount of free sugar. When you up the amount of sugar you're typically having to in essence, massive amounts higher than it's been used to, it doesn't result in good things obviously. All sugar sources in nature (outside of probably just honey) come with a certain amount of fiber per amount of sugar something has. Like sugar cane has tons of sugar but also tons of fiber with it while an orange (or other fruits) have less fiber but also less sugar. Our body is used to us eating stuff like fruits and not at all used to us eating foods with tons of free sugars and over the years of you eating all that sugar and your body basically band-aiding the damage, the band-aid will eventually break and thus diabetes (plus several other diseases directly caused by sugar consumption).
Sugar and diabetes
You don’t need to cut out sugar from your diet if you have diabetes. And while we don’t know exactly what causes type 1 diabetes, but it isn’t linked to lifestyle, and so sugar doesn’t directly cause the condition. The question of whether sugar directly causes type 2 diabetes is a bit complicated.www.diabetes.org.uk
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The mechanism by which obesity increases the risk of diabetes is known. That is true.
That would be the (speculative) reason. Yet the actual change-- the increased sugar intake-- would not be unique or even particularly specific to wrestlers. It would be a completely pointless restriction on the study; they could just study people who eat lots of sugar.
Again, not true.
The study wasn't just about diabetes...
Also, funny you edit out all the stuff I'm right about that your own source confirmed over a month ago...
Here. Specifically talks about the mechanism behind the increased risk of diabetes from obesity.
It also covered several other metabolic complications of obesity. Please tell me what aspect of the study required it to focus only on retired sumo wrestlers, rather than just people who ate a lot of sugar.
Because you weren't. It was more obfuscation, avoiding the question asked. Why do people who don't eat more 'added sugars' than average also develop diabetes, if (as you claim) overindulgence of those added sugars is the sole cause?
Obesity, particularly when associated with increased abdominal and intra-abdominal fat distribution and increased intrahepatic and intramuscular triglyceride content, is a major risk factor for prediabetes and type 2 diabetes because it causes both insulin resistance and β cell dysfunction.
If fat surrounds the pancreas, it had problems functioning (just like non-alcoholic fatty liver disease). Guess what causes fat to build up around the pancreas?
They are healthy during their wrestling ages. Again, if you do a study on active football players, you won't find any with CTE.
What is the cause of high blood sugar, inflammation, insulin resistance, and visceral fat to build up around your organs? It's all the same thing. Find me someone with diabetes doesn't over consume sugar.
Not just sugar. Sugar is not the sole cause of obesity, abdominal fat, and/or intra-abdominal fat.
Listen. You explicitly said that a mechanism between obesity and diabetes has not been established. I've now provided a direct, explicit academic source pointing to the mechanism. Acknowledge it.
You're simply presuming they're healthy, because you can't abide reading a source that contradicts you. Active football players are not obese.
Considering you just mindlessly ignored the other sources I provided, here's a few more-- the first being a clinician directly answering a common question from diabetic patients.
Why do I have diabetes when I don’t eat sugar? | TheHealthSite.com
Dr Tejal Lathia answers this common diabetes query. TheHealthSite.com
www.thehealthsite.com
"I do not consume sugar, why do I have diabetes? -- It is a very common question most specialists hear while attending to patients who have been diagnosed with diabetes. However, this is one of the biggest misconceptions about diabetes mellitus. Consumption of excessive sugar does not directly cause diabetes."
8 diabetes myths you shouldn't believe
Is diabetes caused by eating too much sugar, and should people with diabetes follow a special diet? Our nutritional expert busts popular diabetes myths.
"It’s also not true to say that type 2 diabetes is caused by sugar. However, the chances of developing this type of diabetes are greater if you are overweight or obese. A high-sugar diet is often a high-calorie diet, and too many calories can lead to weight gain."
Myth Buster: Dishing the Details on Diabetes
Nearly 30 million Americans have diabetes. As common as it is, diabetes is an often-misunderstood disease. Is it caused by eating too much sugar? Do all diabetics need insulin shots? UR Medicine endocrinologist Dr. Susanne Miedlich dispels some diabetes myths.
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"Fact: Eating sugar does not cause diabetes."
Well, it kind of does... if you eat so much of it (together with other food) that it makes you obese.
