Funny Events of the "Woke" world

[Chimpzy]

New letter from Democrat leader Jeffries, detailing 9 point plan counter Trump.



Oh no, they're going to wag their finger disapprovingly, maybe write some sternly worded letters too.

 

[Silvanus]

And Paul Offit isn't serious either...

Paul Offit is serious, although he's just one of thousands of immunologists-- he happens to have a high media profile which is why you point to him and not others.

Paul Offit also doesn't say what you say. Your poor scientific comprehension doesn't reflect on him at all.

 

[Agema]

New letter from Democrat leader Jeffries, detailing 9 point plan counter Trump.
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Oh no, they're going to wag their finger disapprovingly, maybe write some sternly worded letters too.

I don't have much faith in those clowns to accomplish anything. I think that if little gets done, much more likely it'll be due to Republican infighting rather than Democratic resistance.

 

[Thaluikhain]

I think that if little gets done, much more likely it'll be due to Republican infighting rather than Democratic resistance.

Or simple incompetence. But yeah, don't expect much from the Dems.

 

[Trunkage]

Paul Offit is serious, although he's just one of thousands of immunologists-- he happens to have a high media profile which is why you point to him and not others.

Paul Offit also doesn't say what you say. Your poor scientific comprehension doesn't reflect on him at all.

Yeah, I've heard Offit talk many times. Phoenixmgs had claimed Offit has said a LOT of things. I can't dismiss every claim Phoenixmgs had made, but at least 90%

Misquoting Offit so many times must be a new Olympics sport or something.

 

[Trunkage]

New letter from Democrat leader Jeffries, detailing 9 point plan counter Trump.
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Oh no, they're going to wag their finger disapprovingly, maybe write some sternly worded letters too.

I've been told by other posters here that's what we are supposed to do it be effective somehow

No I don't understand either

 

[Agema]

Yeah, I've heard Offit talk many times. Phoenixmgs had claimed Offit has said a LOT of things. I can't dismiss every claim Phoenixmgs had made, but at least 90%

I don't think Phoenixmgs is actually following Offit.

My understanding of Pheonixmgs is that he follows a range of YouTubers and similar, who are anywhere from people with some relevant expertise in the field to cranks. What a lot of pop science - pseudoscience people are good at is presenting their views in a way that appears scientific, irrespective of whether it truly is. These people will grab the likes of Offit to support their arguments where convenient, but simply omit him where he's not.

Phoenix is then telling us what these pseudos have told him and citing the experts that the pseudos cited, often bypassing reference to the pseudos themselves. The problem is that because he has never read through the work of the real experts in any detail, when he attempts to present the cherry-picked snippets given to him, he leaves himself wide open to criticism from anyone who does read the expert more widely. Nor do I think that being consistent with the expert really matters to Phoenixmgs, because Phoenixmgs's "celebrity worship"-like relationship is with the pseudo.

I'd also note that one way you can often spot a pseudoscientist is when they try to browbeat you with the credentials of their sources: "How can you argue with X, he's a world expert!" It's a sales tactic not a rational argument, but for many people not familiar with scientific discourse, it works. I draw your attention to how Phoenixmgs uses this tactic.

The end result is tragically irrational: Phoenix is taking the arguments of cranks whilst asserting it is the argument of experts, and yet can't defend his views at the level of experts when challenged, even as he asserts how super-expert the experts are. The fact that it's gone on in some form for about 5 years and he doesn't seem to have learnt a damn thing renders it farce.

 

[Satinavian]

Or simple incompetence. But yeah, don't expect much from the Dems.

Well, the Reps have the trifecta, so it doesn't really matter what the Dems do.

But i had hoped that even some Republican congressmen have a problem with moving the most powerful tools of congress (the power over money and its use) over to the president.

 

[Phoenixmgs]

Paul Offit is serious, although he's just one of thousands of immunologists-- he happens to have a high media profile which is why you point to him and not others.

Paul Offit also doesn't say what you say. Your poor scientific comprehension doesn't reflect on him at all.

He's literally the top expert in the US, that's why I listen to him.

Literally word for word what he said/wrote:
The CDC is now arguing that, given the continued evolution of SARS-CoV-2, we should offer a yearly Covid vaccine in a manner analogous to the influenza vaccine. SARS-CoV-2, however, isn’t influenza. Every year, FDA advisors pick strains to include in the yearly influenza vaccine. If they’re wrong, which has happened three times in the past twenty years, protective efficacy against severe disease can fall below 20 percent. In other words, pick the wrong influenza strain and you’re in trouble. That’s not true for SARS-CoV-2. Healthy young people who have been vaccinated against SARS-CoV-2 with the original vaccine remain protected against severe disease because the parts of these new variants that are recognized by T cells have remained relatively unchanged. T cells, which are long-lived and kill virus-infected cells, are critical in protecting against severe COVID. By likening SARS-CoV-2 to influenza, we have created the false perception that healthy young people who have already been vaccinated or naturally infected or both will be protected against severe disease only if they receive the updated vaccine.

You gonna admit advising people to not eat fat was a bad thing yet? Basically every single study on low-fat vs low-carb diets has the low-card people losing more weight.

Yeah, I've heard Offit talk many times. Phoenixmgs had claimed Offit has said a LOT of things. I can't dismiss every claim Phoenixmgs had made, but at least 90%

Misquoting Offit so many times must be a new Olympics sport or something.

Where is my claim about what he said wrong?

Literally word for word what he said/wrote:
The CDC is now arguing that, given the continued evolution of SARS-CoV-2, we should offer a yearly Covid vaccine in a manner analogous to the influenza vaccine. SARS-CoV-2, however, isn’t influenza. Every year, FDA advisors pick strains to include in the yearly influenza vaccine. If they’re wrong, which has happened three times in the past twenty years, protective efficacy against severe disease can fall below 20 percent. In other words, pick the wrong influenza strain and you’re in trouble. That’s not true for SARS-CoV-2. Healthy young people who have been vaccinated against SARS-CoV-2 with the original vaccine remain protected against severe disease because the parts of these new variants that are recognized by T cells have remained relatively unchanged. T cells, which are long-lived and kill virus-infected cells, are critical in protecting against severe COVID. By likening SARS-CoV-2 to influenza, we have created the false perception that healthy young people who have already been vaccinated or naturally infected or both will be protected against severe disease only if they receive the updated vaccine.

 

[Silvanus]

He's literally the top expert in the US, that's why I listen to him.

There is no such thing as a single top "expert" on immunology. This is media gabble.

Literally word for word what he said/wrote:
The CDC is now arguing that, given the continued evolution of SARS-CoV-2, we should offer a yearly Covid vaccine in a manner analogous to the influenza vaccine. SARS-CoV-2, however, isn’t influenza. Every year, FDA advisors pick strains to include in the yearly influenza vaccine. If they’re wrong, which has happened three times in the past twenty years, protective efficacy against severe disease can fall below 20 percent. In other words, pick the wrong influenza strain and you’re in trouble. That’s not true for SARS-CoV-2. Healthy young people who have been vaccinated against SARS-CoV-2 with the original vaccine remain protected against severe disease because the parts of these new variants that are recognized by T cells have remained relatively unchanged. T cells, which are long-lived and kill virus-infected cells, are critical in protecting against severe COVID. By likening SARS-CoV-2 to influenza, we have created the false perception that healthy young people who have already been vaccinated or naturally infected or both will be protected against severe disease only if they receive the updated vaccine.

I'm aware, I've read what he's written. However, unlike you, I've read what he's written quite broadly, rather than picking sections that in isolation could be used to bolster the anti-vax nonsense.

So I know that he's also said: "Anybody over the age of 75, and anybody who has comorbidities, especially diabetes, heart disease, lung disease, obesity [note: Obesity would account for about 40% of America already]. I think anybody that's taking medicines that suppress the immune system. And I think pregnant people. But also people who live and work in nursing homes, people who are in the home of someone who is... or frankly anybody who just feels more comfortable getting this certainly should get it, I'm not saying you should discourage people".

So I know Paul Offit argues (quite reasonably often) against recommending boosters for everyone, supporting the targeted approach like we had here in Western Europe. But his issues aren't the issues you're citing, about it doing nothing or being harmful. He's essentially making an argument about diminishing returns and targeting.