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Agema

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I want to the war to have a lasting end. Which legalizing land grab wars in Europe doesn't achieve. I also wants the killing of Ukraine's citizens to stop which can't be achieved by giving Russia Ukrainian lands in which they can butcher the citizens, and use as a staging ground for the next invasion of a Ukraine that's been made unable to fight back.
Well, yes.

Fundamentally, Russia is pushing for a change to the post-WW2, UN-based order where it is supposed to be unacceptable for countries to strip other countries of land through war. It does so to legitimise its own expansion and empire-building, because it's a failing state unwilling to cut its cloth to meet it's new circumstances. Whilst this principle of stopping countries seeking territorial expansion has often not been enforced, it nevertheless has also been used to limit many countries' territorial greed.

It is hard to imagine that ditching this principle, for instance by legitimising Russian gains in Ukraine, reduces war in the long term. It is a green light for every militaristic nation in the world to take a pop at their neighbours if they fancy grabbing some resources.

This creates a significant risk of sucking the USA into more conflict involvement as well. In a dog eat dog world of this sort, aggression will end up directed against US allies / partners. The USA will have the choice to prop up weaker associates, or lose access to global resources, or that the USA will need to launch actions against countries to access resources.
 

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Two very useful defences after having committed a crime: "it was an accident" and "it was only once!"



...or any of the other reasons someone may not have been convicted.
You have to prove a crime...

Not actually being guilty of something is like the reason 90+% of the time.

Also um....did you realize this argument cuts both ways?
Yes, that's exactly why I keep pointing that out to you guys. You keep saying the republicans this or that, and you can say the same about democrats. That's not me giving passes to republicans, it's just me asking essentially "what's your point?"
 
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You have to prove a crime...
Interesting standard, there. So apparently we can't simply look at the fact that the judge told him to do something and he inarguably didn't do it. How do we 'prove' this? There is no court case to answer. It's essentially just the word of the court on the matter. Which we already have.

Not actually being guilty of something is like the reason 90+% of the time.
Lol ok bud.
 

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Interesting standard, there. So apparently we can't simply look at the fact that the judge told him to do something and he inarguably didn't do it. How do we 'prove' this? There is no court case to answer. It's essentially just the word of the court on the matter. Which we already have.



Lol ok bud.
Who didn't do something? There's a long ass line of people that gotta be told and forwarded the info.

Again, you're lacking proof.
 

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Who didn't do something? There's a long ass line of people that gotta be told and forwarded the info.
A line so long, that a government agency cannot contact one of its own currently-working employees within 5 hours? Stunning.
 

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A line so long, that a government agency cannot contact one of its own currently-working employees within 5 hours? Stunning.
Since it was after-hours, it easily could've went to a manager in that line that already left for the day. There's so many simple explanations for this it's not even funny.
 

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First of all, saying Trump betrayed all Americans is wrong. Trump saying and doing the things it promised it would say and do in the months leading up to the election and inauguration is not a betrayal. If what Real Trump says and does differs from what voters thought the Fantasy Trump they conjured up in their heads would say and do when they voted for it, then that is entirely on them.

Second, really itching for your own chance to betray all Americans, aintcha? Opportunist fuckwad.
 
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You have to prove a crime...
Actually, I want to revisit this line. Because you're saying this to explain why the Trump admin can't be considered guilty of ignoring the court order.... but you don't seem to mind that those ~200 Venezuelans-- some of whom came to the US legally-- were deported to a max-security prison without any crime having been proven.
 

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Actually, I want to revisit this line. Because you're saying this to explain why the Trump admin can't be considered guilty of ignoring the court order.... but you don't seem to mind that those ~200 Venezuelans-- some of whom came to the US legally-- were deported to a max-security prison without any crime having been proven.
I would/will if that's true. I haven't seen anything about legal immigrants just being deported outside of administrative error.
 

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I would/will if that's true. I haven't seen anything about legal immigrants just being deported outside of administrative error.

"Of the 50, at least two dozen entered the U.S. using CBP One, according to family members. The app was introduced during Joe Biden's administration to allow migrants to schedule an appointment to request entry at a legal border crossing."

CBP One, to clarify, was a legal method of entry.

24 people at least, sent to a maximum security prison, after entering the US legally, and without any criminal conviction.
 

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"Of the 50, at least two dozen entered the U.S. using CBP One, according to family members. The app was introduced during Joe Biden's administration to allow migrants to schedule an appointment to request entry at a legal border crossing."

CBP One, to clarify, was a legal method of entry.

24 people at least, sent to a maximum security prison, after entering the US legally, and without any criminal conviction.
Immigrants who are deemed not to pose a safety or flight risk are often allowed to pursue their asylum cases while living freely in the United States, as long as they check in regularly with ICE.
 

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There's nothing saying they must legally be allowed to reside in the US even if they currently have asylum cases.
They entered legally. They were legal temporary residents. Yes, legal residents must legally be allowed to... reside.

You have absolutely zero idea of how the law is supposed to work in your own country.
 

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They entered legally. They were legal temporary residents. Yes, legal residents must legally be allowed to... reside.

You have absolutely zero idea of how the law is supposed to work in your own country.
"The law works to support me and mine above all else, right?"
 

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"The law works to support me and mine above all else, right?"
Well, yes. I mean, that really is how it goes for Trumpistas.

The law (/ Constitution) is just something to be deployed or discarded as convenient. The economy is there to be deployed or discarded as convenient. It all is. They know what they want, and as long as they get it, all is fine. The rationales only exist to trick the gullible, or just to give the comforting sense of normality to those not paying attention. And what does it matter if they lie so readily and so easily provably, when they can just carry on lying without any repercussions?
 

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There's nothing saying a legal immigrant can't be deported unless XYZ is met.
I see you've now shifted from "it didn't happen" to "it happened, but it's fine".

Deportation for legal residents is supposed to be contingent on evidence of them having broken certain rules, committed offences, or provided support to terrorist organisations. And we know the kind of flimsy evidence ICE used to justify deporting these people: some of them had innocuous tattoos, which the gov falsely claimed to be indicative of gang membership.

Are you seriously going to defend the deportation of innocent, legal residents?
 
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I see you've now shifted from "it didn't happen" to "it happened, but it's fine".

Deportation for legal residents is supposed to be contingent on evidence of them having broken certain rules, committed offences, or provided support to terrorist organisations. And we know the kind of flimsy evidence ICE used to justify deporting these people: some of them had innocuous tattoos, which the gov falsely claimed to be indicative of gang membership.

Ate you seriously going to defend the deportation of innocent, legal residents?
They aren't legal residents.