Funny Events of the "Woke" world

[PsychedelicDiamond]

https://www.cnn.com/2025/05/03/australia/australia-election-results-albanese-dutton-intl-hnk

As an American, I am so jealous.

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As a German, so am I.

 

[Phoenixmgs]

This is a part of the American Immigration Council's description of 'Reinstatement of Removal'. It applies only to those who have already received a deportation order in the past. So the notice, the judicial review, the chance to file for habeas? 'Reinstatement of Removal' applies only in situations when those processes have already been afforded.

There's also Stipulated Removal.

Buddy, I live in Ohio. Our state government keeps trying to follow the president's lead, and I am sure this is happening everywhere. Cutbacks to NPR and PBS, where I have been near (Near a OSU is a NPR building) in the federal government, Lifewise, religious influence in public schools(Linda Mcmahon for example), where the religious preachers(Lifewise in my City) take students/kids out of classrooms to religious seminars, which no one can do anything about otherwise Republicans, and hard-wingers throw a hissy fit(I have seen on the news people murdering school board members which is why I rejected the democrats offering me to run for it)—layoffs everywhere, rural, urban, and everywhere in between.

While China is laughing at us, they are laughing at the US on TikTok, Reddit, and X. And they should. We teach about a religious text that is falling in relevance by the day to children who abuse it to get out of school, while they are graduating from 6 of the best engineering colleges in the world, while they have the Gaokao, the hardest test in the world, here in the US some schools don't even test for the ACT/SAT. We are laying people off because of AI. They lay people off only in blue-collar professions(A crappy thing too) so that they keep white collar human capital alive(Granted, 996 is still a thing, so burnout is real too).

Australia is worse, I seen what they did with covid.

There's a lot of proof that they were denied due process.

No judge saw them, in one case the mother was allowed to speak to her husband, and their phone call was cut off the moment her husband mentioned trying to get her legal assistance, denying her any legal representation. In another case the husband was trying to get an injunction filed at the court and the Trump administration sped up the mother's deportation so that she would be out of the country by the time the court opened the next day.

As far as the claim that they were trying to keep families together and that the mothers wanted to bring their children with them, that's addressed multiple times in the articles I provided. The women's families think that's bullshit as do the legal teams. Any statements by them appear to be coerced, and ICE did not allow them the opportunity to speak with anyone who could have taken the children.

Do you really think that a mother would willingly take a 4 year old with cancer out of the country with her without the child's medication and without consultation with their medical team? Really?

Funny how there's no stories about how Trump is deporting all these people illegally and the spotlight is on Abrego Garcia, a single deportation. What's the bigger story; one person getting illegally deported or 200+ people being illegally deported?

Depends on the situation if there is other family that the child can stay with or not.

Just give me actual evidence of these claims.

 

[Silvanus]

There's also Stipulated Removal.

...Which requires the person to be formally charged, involves them seeing a judge, and occurs only if the subject agrees.

 

[Phoenixmgs]

...Which requires the person to be formally charged, involves them seeing a judge, and occurs only if the subject agrees.

But doesn't require them seeing a judge...

 

[Gergar12]

As a German, so am I.

Do what France or Brazil did. We can't do that in the US for $$$$reasons$$$$, but you guys can.

 

[Silvanus]

But doesn't require them seeing a judge...

...If the subject agrees to waive that right.

Seriously, read your own sources. Stipulated Removal happens when the individual waives their rights to a hearing and judicial review. Reinstatement of Removal occurs when the individual already has a deportation order from an immigration judge after going through the process.

Neither of these are processes by which an individual can be ordered deported with zero notice and zero recourse to judicial review or a habeas petition. Both still require the individual to have been afforded those rights. As your own source says.

 

[Dirty Hipsters]

Funny how there's no stories about how Trump is deporting all these people illegally and the spotlight is on Abrego Garcia, a single deportation. What's the bigger story; one person getting illegally deported or 200+ people being illegally deported?

Depends on the situation if there is other family that the child can stay with or not.

Just give me actual evidence of these claims.

Yeah, there's no stories about these deportations at all...except for the literally hundreds of stories about these deportations which is why they're in the public eye at all.

As for why Abrego Garcia is the face of this issue? It's because his is the most open and shut case of misconduct by ICE and the Trump administration. Lawyers from the DOJ already admitted in court to a judge's face that the deportation was a mistake. The fact that they've already admitted that Garcia should not have been deported (an imprisoned in a foreign prison while guilty of no crime) and yet they're digging their heals in anyway, defying court orders, and defying the supreme court over A MISTAKE should be everything we need to know about how these deportations are not at all above board.

I'm not sure what other evidence you want. Trump has illegally deported people, including US citizens. None of this is up for debate. He has orders from multiple courts include the supreme court that his administration is actively ignoring. None of this is up for discussion, it's the reality of what's happening.

 

[Seanchaidh]

https://www.cnn.com/2025/05/03/australia/australia-election-results-albanese-dutton-intl-hnk

As an American, I am so jealous.

oh, is Trump's performance of the function of making shambolic liberal parties more palatable by comparison international now?

 

[Satinavian]

oh, is Trump's performance of the function of making shambolic liberal parties more palatable by comparison international now?

Yes, it is.

 

[Phoenixmgs]

...If the subject agrees to waive that right.

Seriously, read your own sources. Stipulated Removal happens when the individual waives their rights to a hearing and judicial review. Reinstatement of Removal occurs when the individual already has a deportation order from an immigration judge after going through the process.

Neither of these are processes by which an individual can be ordered deported with zero notice and zero recourse to judicial review or a habeas petition. Both still require the individual to have been afforded those rights. As your own source says.

You have evidence that these subject didn't agree to waive that right, you have no evidence that anyone of these people were deported illegally.

Yeah, there's no stories about these deportations at all...except for the literally hundreds of stories about these deportations which is why they're in the public eye at all.

As for why Abrego Garcia is the face of this issue? It's because his is the most open and shut case of misconduct by ICE and the Trump administration. Lawyers from the DOJ already admitted in court to a judge's face that the deportation was a mistake. The fact that they've already admitted that Garcia should not have been deported (an imprisoned in a foreign prison while guilty of no crime) and yet they're digging their heals in anyway, defying court orders, and defying the supreme court over A MISTAKE should be everything we need to know about how these deportations are not at all above board.

I'm not sure what other evidence you want. Trump has illegally deported people, including US citizens. None of this is up for debate. He has orders from multiple courts include the supreme court that his administration is actively ignoring. None of this is up for discussion, it's the reality of what's happening.

Why were democrats going to El Salvador to try to see Garcia but ignored these other 200+ people that were illegally deported?

The error most likely originated with the judge, not the Trump administration / ICE, but because you don't like Trump, it's always Trump's fault.

https://cis.org/Arthur/Judge-Orders-Return-Alien-Removed-El-Salvador-Administrative-Error

There's literally no evidence any of these people were deported illegally, you might not like it, but that doesn't make it against the law. Sure, they are going around the law to do something that is generally unlawful (instead of imprisoning them here that they can't do, they are deporting them to another country that is imprisoning them), but they aren't breaking the law. It's not unlike when the Biden administration did the same thing with the 1st amendment and "told" social media companies to censor speech which wasn't breaking the law because it was the social media company censoring speech technically (which they can do since private entity), but if it the social media platform was run by the government, that would be a violation of the 1st amendment. Was I claiming the Biden administration was breaking the law when that happened? No I wasn't because they weren't breaking the law.

 

[Silvanus]

You have evidence that these subject didn't agree to waive that right [...]

Even the US Gov and ICE aren't claiming they voluntarily waived them. Literally no party is claiming this.

you have no evidence that anyone of these people were deported illegally.

Except laws and 2 federal courts laying out the processes that must be followed. And another federal judge ruling the AEA usage unlawful.

 

[Phoenixmgs]

Even the US Gov and ICE aren't claiming they voluntarily waived them. Literally no party is claiming this.



Except laws and 2 federal courts laying out the processes that must be followed. And another federal judge ruling the AEA usage unlawful.

Literally no one is claiming Trump/ICE illegally deported people besides you guys.

You're upset that the wrong law was used?

 

[Silvanus]

Literally no one is claiming Trump/ICE illegally deported people besides you guys.

....and those lawyers and federal judges. And countless damn articles, NGOs, charities.

You're upset that the wrong law was used?

!? No law on the books allows people to be denied these rights. Stipulated Removal doesn't-- they have to be allowed them and voluntarily turn them down. Reinstatement of Removal doesn't-- they have to have been afforded them already.

 

[Phoenixmgs]

....and those lawyers and federal judges. And countless damn articles, NGOs, charities.



!? No law on the books allows people to be denied these rights. Stipulated Removal doesn't-- they have to be allowed them and voluntarily turn them down. Reinstatement of Removal doesn't-- they have to have been afforded them already.

Then, why did democrats try to go see the Garcia guy and no one else...? You do realize that I'd be guessing (based on the states the judges are from who said you can't use the AEA) are all liberal judges, right? Remember when liberal judges threw Trump off the ballot even though it was super unconstitutional? If this was something that wasn't going to end up being lawful most likely, democrats would be saying that all these people were deported illegally but they are not. You do realize that Trump/ICE haven't even done mass deportations or anything (like you all said would happen), they haven't ignored court orders (like you all said they would), and we don't know if they did or did not voluntary turn said rights.

 

[Silvanus]

Then, why did democrats try to go see the Garcia guy and no one else...?

You'd have to ask them. I don't really think that's relevant to anything.

You do realize that I'd be guessing (based on the states the judges are from who said you can't use the AEA) are all liberal judges, right?

And you'd be wrong. The judge to recently declare the AEA usage unlawful was appointed by Trump. The federal appeals judge who ruled notice and judicial review must be afforded for the Venezuelan detainees was appointed by Reagan. And the SCOTUS, which also ruled the deportations could only happen with sufficient notice to file for habeas, is Republican-majority.

So actually all three rulings we've been discussing came from Republican appointees.

Not that this should be relevant.