Gabe Newell: Most DRM Plans Are "Dumb"

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Cousin_IT said:
Out of interest (& I have no idea on this) can you resell/swap Steam games with other people?
Sadly no, you can buy a game as a gift for another account. But you can't actually give your games to other people, you have to decide who it's for when you pay.
 

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It seems that if there was ever a war of the video game companies, EA would be the evil empire, and Valve would be Luke Skywalker. He would, of course, opt out his lightsaber for a crowbar.

This just shows how amazing of a company Valve really is (not that I needed further proof). They're pretty much the best there is. I never had a serious problem with EA until the whole anti-piracy bull they made. They're probably gonna stop soon, though. It's impossible to ignore all the negativity people have thrown at them about it. At least... I seriously hope so. ::crosses fingers for no f**k-ups with Mass Effect 2::
 

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Apart from the general "BigBrother-feel" regular DRM at least lets you sell used games... Funny how people ignore that and praise Steam, probably the most restrictive kind of protection out there -.-
 

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eldpollard said:
What you've got to remember is that in a way steam is a form of DRM. You need an account, and it stops the game from being played by more than one person at a time. On the other hand steam is ace. It does what it does very well, plus it's a social networking client as well. As DRM goes it's incredibly unrestrictive and does manage to combat piracy. That is why I love valve. That and their games are totally awesome.
That's Gabe's point. He is calling most forms of DRM dumb. A smart DRM would be one that protects the developers intellectual property, is unobtrusive as possible and offers added benefits to the consumer for using it.
 

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ZeroMachine said:
It seems that if there was ever a war of the video game companies, EA would be the evil empire, and Valve would be Luke Skywalker. He would, of course, opt out his lightsaber for a crowbar.

This just shows how amazing of a company Valve really is (not that I needed further proof). They're pretty much the best there is. I never had a serious problem with EA until the whole anti-piracy bull they made. They're probably gonna stop soon, though. It's impossible to ignore all the negativity people have thrown at them about it. At least... I seriously hope so. ::crosses fingers for no f**k-ups with Mass Effect 2::
Does that make Blizzard Han Solo?
 

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Khell_Sennet said:
Words are cheap. I should know, I use more of them than most people.

If Gabe wants my adoration, he'll have to do more than just say DRM is retarded. Does the EA disc-released copy of Left4Dead have EA's typical SecuROM DRM on it? If it does, has he taken action against EA to have it removed? If it's there, and he hasn't fought it, his words are hollow and not worth wiping one's ass with. But if he has actively done things to eliminate DRM, more than just words, then I salute him.
Yes. Action, then words!
 

Slycne

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Khell_Sennet said:
Words are cheap. I should know, I use more of them than most people.

If Gabe wants my adoration, he'll have to do more than just say DRM is retarded. Does the EA disc-released copy of Left4Dead have EA's typical SecuROM DRM on it? If it does, has he taken action against EA to have it removed? If it's there, and he hasn't fought it, his words are hollow and not worth wiping one's ass with. But if he has actively done things to eliminate DRM, more than just words, then I salute him.
I bought it through Steam, but I am guessing that the retail copies have no further DRM beyond Steam itself.
 

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CantFaketheFunk said:
ZeroMachine said:
It seems that if there was ever a war of the video game companies, EA would be the evil empire, and Valve would be Luke Skywalker. He would, of course, opt out his lightsaber for a crowbar.

This just shows how amazing of a company Valve really is (not that I needed further proof). They're pretty much the best there is. I never had a serious problem with EA until the whole anti-piracy bull they made. They're probably gonna stop soon, though. It's impossible to ignore all the negativity people have thrown at them about it. At least... I seriously hope so. ::crosses fingers for no f**k-ups with Mass Effect 2::
Does that make Blizzard Han Solo?


I think that makes Epic Han Solo
 

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He's got the thinking right, but like Khell said, put your money where you're mouth is.

It's all good and well to say that most DRM plans are dumb, but if you don't have a suggestion for a DRM plan that isn't dumb then be quite until you do.

That being said, he still has the right idea of this bullshit of DRM, but I'd just like to see some action or something other than "I'm a big-time developer of a big-time studio, and I know what's what!"
 

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fluffylandmine said:
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The_root_of_all_evil said:
You know what? I really like him.
Ditto.
Ditto of your ditto.
Oh yeh? I'd turn gay for Gabe.
I wouldn't do that ,but something equally life changing.

P.S. A little off topic but congrats to Root on the news room thing.
Second on both parts.

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flood juices said:
CantFaketheFunk said:
ZeroMachine said:
It seems that if there was ever a war of the video game companies, EA would be the evil empire, and Valve would be Luke Skywalker. He would, of course, opt out his lightsaber for a crowbar.

This just shows how amazing of a company Valve really is (not that I needed further proof). They're pretty much the best there is. I never had a serious problem with EA until the whole anti-piracy bull they made. They're probably gonna stop soon, though. It's impossible to ignore all the negativity people have thrown at them about it. At least... I seriously hope so. ::crosses fingers for no f**k-ups with Mass Effect 2::
Does that make Blizzard Han Solo?


I think that makes Epic Han Solo
What about the indie developers? The Rebel Alliance?
 

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orannis62 said:
flood juices said:
CantFaketheFunk said:
ZeroMachine said:
It seems that if there was ever a war of the video game companies, EA would be the evil empire, and Valve would be Luke Skywalker. He would, of course, opt out his lightsaber for a crowbar.
Does that make Blizzard Han Solo?

I think that makes Epic Han Solo
What about the indie developers? The Rebel Alliance?
And I guess Bethesda would be Chewbacca, maybe? As long as Square is C-3P0. They never shut up.
 

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It seems to me like Valve is becoming the messiah of gaming, while EA is the Anti-christ... does anyone else notice that?
 

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I would hate steam if you weren't granted access to awesome stuff like developer's tools and a great fan community as a result of said awesome developer's tools.

I do hate DRM that hurts the consumer but does absolutely nothing to hurt pirates. For example, Spore got pirated before the game was even in stores. Someone who pirates the game can install and uninstall it as many times as they like and all they lose out on is the online user created content. However, a person who payed money can only install and uninstall the game five times. If I didn't know about that bogus rule, I would have long since uninstalled spore since the game was pretty dull, but I'm keeping it on my hard drive as a result of their install limit.
 

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LiquidForce said:
Apart from the general "BigBrother-feel" regular DRM at least lets you sell used games... Funny how people ignore that and praise Steam, probably the most restrictive kind of protection out there -.-
Install limits.

Publishers trying to stop reselling the the main reason for DRM.
 

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xitel said:
It seems to me like Valve is becoming the messiahgaming, while EA is the Anti-christ... does anyone else notice that?
I did. Couldn't have said it better myself. That said, both of them did it through their own faults, so I can't feel bad for EA.