Gabe Newell thinks Windows 8 will be a catastrophe?

[Tharwen]

*Narrows eyes*

What hardware?

Hardware that's a few years old now. The laptop's only got 2GB RAM, too.

Hmmm... I think you've just had Windows 8-y specs this whole time and not noticed because XP never needed it all... *Suspicious*

Unless your computer is getting damn near ten years old, so have you [http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2012/02/29/running-the-consumer-preview-system-recommendations.aspx].

1 GHz or faster processor
1 GB RAM (32-bit) or 2 GB RAM (64-bit)
16 GB available hard disk space (32-bit) or 20 GB (64-bit)
DirectX 9 graphics device with WDDM 1.0 or higher driver

Also requires PAE, NX, and SSE2 support on the CPU, all of which you already have if your CPU is anything less than perhaps 5-6 years old.

Hmph. Looks like you're right. Those requirements are still a hell of a lot higher than XP's though. My 10-year-old desktop would shrivel up and cry if it saw numbers like that.

 

[zumbledum]

Still using XP here.

That being said, why should I care what Gabe (valve drone) has to say about anything?

do you like the idea of every game using games for windows live?

I don't really care either way, actually.

do you want to start paying console prices for pc games?

Console and PC games are both 60 bucks at release excepting special editions, then gradually go down from there. So... we kinda are.

do you want to keep on using firefox/chrome?

Not particularly, no. Opera fan here.

do you use itunes or youtube or any online service?

*shudders* itunes...
But yes I use youtube. What does this have to do with Gabe Newell spouting off unjustified bullshit?

do you like having a choice in what media player to use? what email system to use? which IM program to use?

Why yes, and I will continue to have that choice no matter if Gabe Newell vomits or not.

then you should care

You've not made a very good case yet.

every single thing from program and games to apps exists because windows has been open. the minute windows 8 closes that no one will be able to use windows to do anything without paying for a licence and MS can choose who they give that licence to.

Windows 8 is not going to break any of the things you listed.

well im sorry your hatred for gabe is so extreme you are blinded to the dangers this change in windows 8 brings to the market, doesnt seem to be any point trying to make a case your clinging to this with the passion of a religious extremist , but when your forced into paying subs for opera and whatever things on the net you do use or simply cant any more because MS doesnt want them around , well you were warned.

 

[yuval152]

I acutally liked windows 8 and I might buy it,although I will be abit disappointed if steam won't support windows 8.

Also can someone please explain to me how windows 8 is closed?

 

[zumbledum]

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Microsoft certainly has its moments of anti-consumerism, but their goal is still ultimately making money. Would locking the system to this degree earn them money? No. Therefore it will never happen.

Still, though, I can see them locking the system to a certain degree, even trying to push it as far as possible. However, if this were to happen, and Linux finally starts getting some real support from ATI/nVidia, then I can see people migrating to Linux.
[sub]I can dream, can't I?[/sub]

i hope your right i really do , i just see there being a lot of room for them being able to leverage their monopoly power to cost us a vast amount more than they currently do. Maybe they wont go full evil straight off maybe its going to start with all devs having to charge an extra 20-30 for games to cover the new licences , maybe were going to have to subscribe to windows gold to come to the escapist visit you tube and anything else you do.

its simple pascal style logic for me. windows going to closed could at very best be no worse than it is now, that is the full breadth of options of a good result for us the consumer.
the other side of the coin if it should fall can only be bad.

Which leads to the next logical point why make it closed if your not going to do anything with the new state? answer-you wouldnt. they must have a plan and a reason for doing this and its going to be to charge us more.

 

[Glademaster_v1legacy]

Console and PC games are both 60 bucks at release excepting special editions, then gradually go down from there. So... we kinda are.

I don't know where you buy PC games but you're getting ripped off.

 

[SpAc3man]

I'm still using XP. And I'm still waiting for a valid reason to use anything else. Will there be any point to 8? Like does do anything XP doesn't that would justify the massive system hogging that would accompany it?

Windows 7 is a lot more efficient than XP when it comes to utilising system resources. If your machine meets the recommended specs then there is no reason you should still be using XP. Memory management/allocation is terrible on XP.


OT: Sounds like Gabe has spoken before thinking again. Just like he did with the PS3. Effective Steam integration with Metro could be very very good if done right. I would like to see live tiles for various aspects of Steam. Store, Library, Friends, Community and even some for individual games. Of course there would still have to be support for the legacy desktop for people afraid of changing.

 

[evilneko]

well im sorry your hatred for gabe is so extreme you are blinded to the dangers this change in windows 8 brings to the market, doesnt seem to be any point trying to make a case your clinging to this with the passion of a religious extremist , but when your forced into paying subs for opera and whatever things on the net you do use or simply cant any more because MS doesnt want them around , well you were warned.

Really? You read all that into my post?

You make unfounded claims and when called out on them, you say you're not even going to try to defend them. You're such an excellent debater. Absolutely impeccable rhetoric. Flawless logic. How could anyone possibly hope to defeat you? But then, you won't even set foot on the battlefield.

Hilarious.

Awww. It's adorable to see all the fanbois of Win8 look and act exactly like Apple's fanbois have been doing for a while now. The outright lies about its resource consumption and even about it's UI is made all the more delicious by the desperation you can feel just underneath the surface. The desperate need to convince themselves that it's the truth.

Just one question: have you used it? I've been using it for a month or so now and my laptop is no worse off for it. Better, in some areas.

snip

Microsoft certainly has its moments of anti-consumerism, but their goal is still ultimately making money. Would locking the system to this degree earn them money? No. Therefore it will never happen.

Still, though, I can see them locking the system to a certain degree, even trying to push it as far as possible. However, if this were to happen, and Linux finally starts getting some real support from ATI/nVidia, then I can see people migrating to Linux.
[sub]I can dream, can't I?[/sub]

i hope your right i really do , i just see there being a lot of room for them being able to leverage their monopoly power to cost us a vast amount more than they currently do. Maybe they wont go full evil straight off maybe its going to start with all devs having to charge an extra 20-30 for games to cover the new licences , maybe were going to have to subscribe to windows gold to come to the escapist visit you tube and anything else you do.

its simple pascal style logic for me. windows going to closed could at very best be no worse than it is now, that is the full breadth of options of a good result for us the consumer.
the other side of the coin if it should fall can only be bad.

Which leads to the next logical point why make it closed if your not going to do anything with the new state? answer-you wouldnt. they must have a plan and a reason for doing this and its going to be to charge us more.

I don't know where you're getting these conspiracy theorist-level ideas from, but you really do sound this crazy. [http://www.humanitywinsilluminatilose.com/?p=721]

I would really love to know where you're getting your ideas from, but I know you won't bother saying, since after all, there's no point in making a case right?

Not even worth a facepalm.

I'll just sip my dr. pepper here and watch the fail.

 

[Bat Vader]

I have no intention of using Windows 8. I will jut stick with Windows 7 and eventually upgrade to Linux when Valve gets Steam working on it.

 

[Cabisco]

Sounds like Newell is overeacting much like he did in the past regarding PS3, the more interesting reading in this thread is the hatred between those that hate windows 8 and those that don't mind it (no one has said they love it, which is a shame as it must be lonely).

There is some serious unchecked aggression dudes, John Goodman is not impressed.

 

[Epona]

Sounds like Newell is overeacting much like he did in the past regarding PS3, the more interesting reading in this thread is the hatred between those that hate windows 8 and those that don't mind it (no one has said they love it, which is a shame as it must be lonely).

There is some serious unchecked aggression dudes, John Goodman is not impressed.

I just want DETAILS on why Windows 8 is soooo bad. Not this vague nonsense about lost OEM's and so on.

Not loving Windows 8 doesn't mean that Gabe is correct. If Gabe is correct, why can't we get more details?

 

[RobfromtheGulag]

I'm still using XP. And I'm still waiting for a valid reason to use anything else. Will there be any point to 8? Like does do anything XP doesn't that would justify the massive system hogging that would accompany it?

Isn't MS getting excessively hostile to XP by shutting down support? I'm of the same opinion, but I think they've threatened shutting down all support in 2014.

I wouldn't venture as far as calling 7 'good' yet either. Maybe in a few years.

 

[evilneko]

I just want DETAILS on why Windows 8 is soooo bad. Not this vague nonsense about lost OEM's and so on.

Not loving Windows 8 doesn't mean that Gabe is correct. If Gabe is correct, why can't we get more details?

Maybe because it has something resembling an App Store?

He's afraid of it cutting into Steam's profits, which it might or might not--it depends on what game developers do.

No idea where this "closed" bullshit comes from. If he thinks the Windows store is gonna turn into something like Apple's App Store, where (unless you root your phone) you can only run shit from the App Store, he's nuts.

 

[Epona]

I just want DETAILS on why Windows 8 is soooo bad. Not this vague nonsense about lost OEM's and so on.

Not loving Windows 8 doesn't mean that Gabe is correct. If Gabe is correct, why can't we get more details?

Maybe because it has something resembling an App Store?

He's afraid of it cutting into Steam's profits, which it might or might not--it depends on what game developers do.

No idea where this "closed" bullshit comes from. If he thinks the Windows store is gonna turn into something like Apple's App Store, where (unless you root your phone) you can only run shit from the App Store, he's nuts.

Maybe Gabe is afraid of competition from Microsoft. Don't think he was afraid of competition from EA and Origin but maybe he's afraid of it here.

If it's an antitrust issue, maybe he should sue Microsoft. For now though, the lack of details and the fact that Windows 8 seems to run Steam and my games just fine just isn't convincing.

Holy Shit they changed the look of this site again.

 

[Baralak]

I'm still using XP. And I'm still waiting for a valid reason to use anything else. Will there be any point to 8? Like does do anything XP doesn't that would justify the massive system hogging that would accompany it?

I'm wishing that I had stuck with XP like you have. At the time, I lambasted it for its failings... how little did I realize the horror that was to come. I dare anyone to try and get kotor 2 to work on windows 7.

I actually installed KotOR2, grabbed a high res patch, and played no issues on my Win7 laptop

 

[WanderingFool]

Everyone is following Apple's suit: be as closed as possible.

Basically Apple is ruining / has ruined the PC industry, just like COD is ruining / has ruined the gaming industry.

Oh look, someone braught this up.

Spoiler: *yawn*

COD is not going to "ruin" the industry. The only thing COD is ruining is the FPS genre, and thats because there isnt enough games out there that are trying to be their own thing, and instead are trying to mooch off of CODs success.

I must be the only guy that doesnt have any problems with Vista... and likewise the only guy that hated XP with a passion...