Seriously, anybody mind enlightening me to the draw of this genre? Most of you guys are just listing genres you hate. I really don't get Horse Race Simulators.BallPtPenTheif said:Horse Race Simulators
Seriously, anybody mind enlightening me to the draw of this genre? Most of you guys are just listing genres you hate. I really don't get Horse Race Simulators.BallPtPenTheif said:Horse Race Simulators
the social aspect, or the player base. rather than what your doing its who your doing it with (that sounded kinda gay)hagaya said:Confusing question. Is it what I don't understand about the genre and what makes it fun? If so: MMOs. Grind, Grind, click, click, red bull, red bull. What is so exiting? I can see how people get sucked into it, but I don't see how they can keep it up when they ask themselves if they really have any fun? Okay so maybe there are a few turn ons to it, but I don't really see what $15 a month can do to justify that.
I think you missed my point. My point wasn't to prove that MMORPGs were the best genre ever, or that they were above other genres. My point was to explain to other users why people play MMORPGs since so many people seemed confused on the issue. So again, why do people play MMORPGs? Community. That's all I said. Granted, I may have written that a bit sloppily, since I'm tired of more specifically the stereotype of MMORPG gamers, so perhaps it's my fault you misinterpreted the post.OuroborosChoked said:Rebuttal:Gotham Soul said:The reason why most people play MMORPGs is because of the community within the game and social interaction (remember that part) that the game's mechanics force you to go through. For example, you can get through to the level cap by yourself. But at the end, what then? Raids, group dungeons, things that require real people other than yourself. When you down a big boss or get, quote, "phat lewtz", you killed the boss or got the loot through cooperation and teamwork. Victories are sweetened and defeats softened because you did them with other people.
Just stop for a bit: do you really think that the people who play MMOs would continue playing if those MMORPGs were simply single player games?
And if you missed it, I'm simply clarifying for people why the people who play MMORPGs do what they do. If you don't like it, don't play it.
No. Nobody would play MMOs without the "community" aspect, but that doesn't excuse how formulaic they are. Grind X enemy for Y hours to get Z item. Repeat. See where I'm going with this? Community nothwithstanding, you're just repeating the same actions a billion times until you win against that one enemy... and doing that with a bunch of other people practically takes all of the challenge out. "Roger, you cast fireball until you're out of magic power. Steve, you heal everyone and when Roger runs out of MP, you restore that. Mike, Lucy, and I will tank. Hope everyone's had their pee breaks, 'cause we'll be doing this very same thing for the next two hours." Sound familiar MMO players?
Basically, my point is this: instead of ONE stupid person doing the same thing for hours on end with practically no benefit... you have whole BUNCH of stupid people working together, but still doing the same thing for hours on end with practically no benefit.
And you have to PAY TO PLAY MMOs. Most of 'em, anyway... not counting most of the Korean ones. Name me ONE other genre where you have to buy the game... then PAY to play the game you JUST bought... and keep paying for it month after month.
Oh, and the games never END. There's no conclusion to all of this pointless action. It's like Animal Crossing but you have to pay for it.
Finally, regarding your last statement: I don't play MMOs because of the reasons I listed above... but if other people don't care about common sense or just prefer to spend money to hang out with their own friends, let 'em. Just clarifying the non-MMO playing side's opinion.
Seems like we're both misunderstanding each other...Gotham Soul said:Also, breaking the genre to its core gameplay elements is not good criticism. Yes, the staple combat system in all MMORPGs ever made ever is one-click combat and endurance trials. Saying a game in a genre is bad because it does what the genre defines it as is hardly justifiable. I could say the same thing about, say, FPS games. "All you do is use WASD, point your mouse cursor, and click. And you do that for two hours!"
Try another perspektive: many People love chatrooms, now there is a new one which features a game that is fun to play but dosn't distract you so much that you won't be able to communikate with everyone else. A litte fee to go with it is just reasonable since it is technicaly about 8000% more advanced than the avarage web-chatroom.OuroborosChoked said:THAT is what I don't get about MMOs. Any criticism about the lack of challenge or tediousness is just another way of describing that it's just work... that you have to pay to do... with a chat room.
This, hockey, basketball and baseball included. I like playing hockey yet hate hockey video games- none of them even approach realism (maybe in FPS format when you're controlling one player over a season whom you create and name they might). Such a genre is most popular with a phyla of guys who don't ever play video games anyway. Where they (EA) ever get the money to keep it going is a mystery for the ages.The Admiral said:Spots games. They just keep making the same damn game with a different year slapped on the cover. Whats going to change between Madden 08 and Madden 09? Will there be any new teams? A new play maybe? Will Madden say anything that isn't stating the obviouse? Nope same ol' boring game.
"Second job." That's bullshit and you know it. Is it really the money issue? God, I have to explain this again...OuroborosChoked said:Seems like we're both misunderstanding each other...Gotham Soul said:Also, breaking the genre to its core gameplay elements is not good criticism. Yes, the staple combat system in all MMORPGs ever made ever is one-click combat and endurance trials. Saying a game in a genre is bad because it does what the genre defines it as is hardly justifiable. I could say the same thing about, say, FPS games. "All you do is use WASD, point your mouse cursor, and click. And you do that for two hours!"
It's funny that you should use the simple controls MMOs have as an example... since I never mentioned the simplicity of the controls as a weak point of the genre. That's what's called a straw man argument... and you follow it up with a bad analogy. MMOs don't compare to FPS games... because FPSes ARE games. The closest analogy I can come up with for MMOs... do you remember what George Jetson did for a living? He pressed one button - once - and that was it for the day. Imagine that, but repeated... with a chat room... and you have to pay to do it. MMOs are work that you have to pay to do.
THAT is what I don't get about MMOs. Any criticism about the lack of challenge or tediousness is just another way of describing that it's just work... that you have to pay to do... with a chat room.
Umm... WoW is $15 a month, XBL is $6 a month.Bocaj2000 said:Let's say I make 20$ a week from allowance. If I only have to save 5$ a week for my game.
If that doesn't make sense to you, it costs the exact same amount to pay for WoW as XBox Live.
you're right that was a miscalculation on my part. However, complaining about 15$ a month is still silly in my opinion.Fatalis67 said:Umm... WoW is $15 a month, XBL is $6 a month.Bocaj2000 said:Let's say I make 20$ a week from allowance. If I only have to save 5$ a week for my game.
If that doesn't make sense to you, it costs the exact same amount to pay for WoW as XBox Live.
Yeah it is, considering most people end up only playing WoW. At least that happened with me...I managed to get off it though.Bocaj2000 said:you're right that was a miscalculation on my part. However, complaining about 15$ a month is still silly in my opinion.Fatalis67 said:Umm... WoW is $15 a month, XBL is $6 a month.Bocaj2000 said:Let's say I make 20$ a week from allowance. If I only have to save 5$ a week for my game.
If that doesn't make sense to you, it costs the exact same amount to pay for WoW as XBox Live.