Game of Thrones Episode 9...

[Headdrivehardscrew]

No one is safe.

Again, there would be one significant change from the books that could bite everyone involved in the ass.

For the first thing, there is one character who seems to have plot armor:

Spoiler

Tyrion and actually maybe Jon since I'm pretty sure he's going to be revived. Martin wouldn't kill him off before revealing is true parentage (and if it's the parentage that I'm guessing -Targaryen- then I'm sure he'll play an even bigger role in books to come).

Aye, but that's only a third of the characters I felt and still feel have plot armour, in at least one case that annoys the bejeesus out of me. No, wait... ever since the TV series, make that TWO very annoying characters that have plot armour. Tyrion doesn't make it to my top three neither in the annoying nor in the plot armour drawer.

As for the reviving magicke... so far, I only recall one such case, but it's not green recycling, more like abominable black voodoo frankenstein magic... and the jury's still out on that one, as it's all still conjecture, as we still miss proper facts... and the TV series has yet to catch up to that.

Regarding the second part. If you're talking about Jeyne, I'm pretty sure her child is not going to matter all that much in the books. Martin has told the show-runners the major upcoming plot points involved in future books so that they can continue the show if he dies before completing the books.

I read that, repeatedly. Still... I think some parts are just handled sub-par.

Just take the eighth episode, in which Martin himself seems to have condensed the whole Yunkai thing down to the bare salvageable facts, he also 'made good' and pressed the reset button on some omissions and, well, scripting mistakes. None of what he did there was more than book-reading-fan service, however, as none of his fixes and patches seem to have ported over to what we got in the ninth episode... which is a shame.

I also think the TV-watching audience has not yet had the pleasure of properly getting to know the odd customs and personal guilty little sins of the Bolton breed, and I also do think that the peculiarly tasteless modifications to their most recent and most popular kill will not quite make it to the TV screens. And that's a real shame.

 

[Headdrivehardscrew]

Wow......just wow, I already knew what to expect just bracing myself whenever the Rains of Castamere started to play, I haven't seen something that brutal since the Eclipse in Berserk. Overall, that was the most shocking thing I've seen in a long time and if Game of Thrones doesn't win awards for this season, I really would have to question people's taste in entertainment

Game of Thrones, its staff and cast and army of helpers does deserve plenty of awards.

However, I really think that Hannibal is the one thing that properly broke new ground in TV entertainment this year. The camera work is... outstanding. Exceptional. Pure Awesomeness in HD. The acting is... captivating. I am quite fond of the 'original' Red Dragon adaptation, Manhunter. Hannibal the TV series is a rewritten, reimagined, at times completely fabricated and totally made-up string of prequel alphabet soup, but it's still so enjoyable. Forget the movies after Silence of the Lambs, all of them. This TV series captures a lot of what made Manhunter such a great movie, and I get my bonus weekly fix of Mads Mikkelsen. That is not a bad thing. Not at all.

 

[ardias014]

On Robb's wife, the character in show isn't Jeyne Westerling; it's a new character based on Jeyne Westerling.

In the books the matriarch of the Westerlings manipulates Robb into getting married to Jeyne. Jeyne being the daughter of a nobleman treating the wounds of the enemy king and being in his close proximity the entire time doesn't make sense for a family that were Lannister banner-men.

That being said in the book it is implied that Jeyne had no direct involvement of the plot as she actually mourns Robb's death. Also in the books she never gets pregnant because her mother gives her potions to prevent pregnancy telling her it's a fertility potion.

Actually, it is believed that the girl that the Lannisters have isn't Jeyne and she is still pregnant because her appearance is nothing like the appearance she was given when first introduced. Also Jeyne's mom doesn't manipulate Robb into marrying Jeyne, she just joins in the plot to bring him down to save her house from Lannister retribution.

 

[anthony87]

I'm behind on the tv show but I've read the books so I know what everyone's talking about.
I'm glad they did it well.

I read those pages like four times just to make sure that it had actually happened.

You too?

My sister was in the room with me at the time I read that part and she ended up asking me "Why are you so wide eyed and reading the same pages over and over again?"

My answer was something like "Oooooooooooooh!OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH! Asdfjkhasd;fjh! Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh!"

 

[NickBrahz]

As a person that has only watched to episodes, i want to get into reading the books, but i don't want to read ahead of the tv show, I want to read the books a little bit behind, so which books are season 1-3 and would be safe for me to read without spoiling season 4+ for myself? Thanks in advance guys.

- Nick

 

[TheGrandTatunkanite]

As a person that has only watched to episodes, i want to get into reading the books, but i don't want to read ahead of the tv show, I want to read the books a little bit behind, so which books are season 1-3 and would be safe for me to read without spoiling season 4+ for myself? Thanks in advance guys.

- Nick

Season 1 and 2 are the first and second books. Season 3 is the first half (or maybe about two thirds?) of the third book.

 

[nomzy]

Is it wrong that I started laughed heartily until the end of the episode when they decided the name the child?
I knew what was coming, but still good stuff. I haven't read the books but I know a fair amount of spoilers (I'm one of those weird people who like finding out spoilers so I can be a smug **** about it) but

Spoiler

Weren't they meant replace Robbs head with Greywinds.. Unless I've missed something?
I'm expecting to see it next episode though

Also is Roose Boltons name pronounced the same as ruse? if it is, then that's exceedingly clever. /shrug

 

[lucky_sharm]

I was a little diappointed in how they depicted the Red Wedding in the TV show. In the book, the Rains of Castamere play throughout the slaughter and its so loud that all of the carnage is muted. There's also a greater sense of false hope for the Starks, too, and you get the sense that his bannerman truly loved him.

For example, Smalljon Umber actually throws a table over Robb to shield him from the crossbows all while killing Freys with his with a leg of mutton. Northmen actually burst into the room, but it turns out that they were Boltons and took off Smalljon's head. Greatjon Umber goes berserk and kills Freys left and right with his bare hands before being subdued.

Robb's bannermen all die, but it shows that they still believed in Robb and were willing to give their lives for him. They kind of missed the mark there.

 

[Altorin]

If you're talking about last night's episode, I was actually glad - The war between the north and the lannisters, while the main focus for the show, has become more and more inconsequential as outlying forces have gathered strength - dragons from the south and zombies from the north.

There was a moment, after the hammer initially dropped, when Robb had been killed, and Cate was holding that woman hostage, where I thought somehow, they'd get away, and the show would continue with the status quo for a while.

But no. Frey is not a man to be trifled with - Cate warned Robb of that initially, and finally Robb paid for what he did. My only real complaint was that the dummy they used for Cate's execution was beyond horrible. The whole scene could have LOOKED a whole lot better, and considering how GOOD Game of Thrones typically does violent scenes, it was kind of disappointing, especially after the infiltration of the slave city (I honestly can't recall the name). That infiltration and the resultant fight were HORRIBLE in terms of cinematography and direction. It really felt like a fight out of Power Rangers.

but as shocked as I was when the hammer dropped on Robb Stark and company, I was happy that they decided to actually push it to its logical conclusion.. Just wish whoever normally did the actual directing and effects wasn't home sick or whatever. I hope he comes back because if every fight scene turns into Power Rangers, that will certainly make watching the show less enjoyable.

 

[JoesshittyOs]

It was awesome. I've been waiting for that moment for a while now.

Only thing was towards the end, Catelyn could have easily grabbed Walder instead of the girl. No one was guarding him, and the Crossbowmen couldn't have gotten to them. But I guess it's more true to her character that she would fuck that up as well.

At least we've got one more season of awesome before the narrative comes to a screeching halt.

Oh, fun fact. The Drummer crowssbowman is the drummer in Coldplay.

 

[JoesshittyOs]

Fuck me.
I don't even like those characters that much but... jesus. Fuck the Freys basically.

Putting that aside, the rest of the episode was interesting. Jon leaving the wildlings, Brann leaving to do... something that I've forgotten. Arya getting mindfucked yet again what with basically her entire family dead, and Danserys being all cool an' shit.
I was actually getting really worried that Jorah was going to die when that siege was going on but yay he didn't. Not sure how I feel about this new guy though.

I don't like the new guy. He was supposed to have a marvelous beard! A marvelous, azure-dyed beard! Not that puny fuzz on the edge of his chin.

Spoiler: What, Like this?

Trust me. I'm sure they would have done it if it didn't look stupid.

 

[Nikolaz72]

*Ahem* As a person who hasn't read any of the books and actively avoided ANY spoilers, I would just like the put my reaction to the scene in this little spoiler box right down here...

Spoiler: *deep breath*

FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! GODDAMMIT! NO, NO, NO, DON'T FUCKING DO THIS TO ME! SHIT! Well... Time to put duct tape over my House Stark shirt and make it say Team Arya instead. Hope she sticks a blade through Fray's eye socket.

*SLAP!*

Spoiler: Minorspoilers

Stark aren't done yet! We still have.. Jon and Sansa.
....

and Rickon. Rickon will do something.

 

[bobajelly]

Like most people who knew what was going to happen...I felt the way they built the tension through the episode was masterful. The look on Cat's face when Rains of Castamere begins has never filled me with such dread from a tv series before.

I feel like I missed out a great deal of impact as I had it spoiled for me...but wow.

What a well done *sunglasses*...execution of the series' most pivotal scene.

And yes greyworm and Jorah officially rock.

 

[PiercedMonk]

One thing about the Red Wedding scene that bothered me was how Roose rushes in right at the end, stabs Robb, than runs out of the scene again. It was like he missed his cue or something. Couldn't have been a slow walk from behind, turn Robb around and then stab him, smile at Cat and walk away? It just seemed like they rushed that part to me.

I strongly agree. Bolton just pops up, says his line, stabs Robb, and pops off the screen, again. Granted, I've read the books several times now, so I wasn't at all shocked by the goings on, but it really killed the tension of the scene for me.

And they messed up his line! "The Lannisters give their regards." No! "Jamie Lannister gives his regards." I'm pretty sure they kept the bit in where Jamie tells Bolton to give his regards to Robb Stark, so why would they change that line? Would it not have been obvious enough that Bolton had sold out Robb to the Lannisters?

Bah!

Really liked the bit with Jon and the wildlings. It's nice to see Jon in the show finally starting to take some action. Also, can't say I'll miss Orell.

 

[Brewtus]

The reaction people had was worse than I expected.

I just hope people don't stop watching, we need a strong audience to make sure the show isn't cancelled.

 

[Vinculi]

I've seen some people say many worse things than the red wedding happen, I've read the books but I don't really recall anything worse, could someone refresh my memory?(In spoilers obviously)

Ok, if you've read all the books so far, let's recap:

Warning, SERIOUS SPOILERS FOR AT LEAST TWO MORE SEASONS WORTH OF PLOT, DON'T CLICK IF YOU LIKE SURPRISES. I DON'T WANT TO HEAR YOU COMPLAINING IF YOU CLICK IT AND REGRET IT.
ok, you've been warned.

Spoiler

Ok, aside from Joffrey's death and Sansa's subsequent abduction, Tyrion murdering his father,Cat/Stonehart executing Brienne and a presumably resurrected Brienne luring Jaime away for some of the same (although we haven't actually seen Jaime die yet),, there's Jon Snow getting Stabbed to death and Ramsay Bolton's letter to Jon Snow about Stannis and Theon and such, which is at least as significant at the Red Wedding. There's also Varys coming out of nowhere in the epilogue of book 5 and murdering Kevan Lannister and Grand Maester Pycelle. And those are just the deaths, the Connington/Aegon reveal is a pretty big deal, and Victarion Greyjoy is about to rock up in Mereen as book 5 ends, and I had really got to like him by then, although I was rooting for Quentin Martell, so that shows how much my liking someone has to do with anything.

 

[lucky_sharm]

I've seen some people say many worse things than the red wedding happen, I've read the books but I don't really recall anything worse, could someone refresh my memory?(In spoilers obviously)

Ok, if you've read all the books so far, let's recap:

Warning, SERIOUS SPOILERS FOR AT LEAST TWO MORE SEASONS WORTH OF PLOT, DON'T CLICK IF YOU LIKE SURPRISES. I DON'T WANT TO HEAR YOU COMPLAINING IF YOU CLICK IT AND REGRET IT.
ok, you've been warned.

Spoiler

Ok, aside from Joffrey's death and Sansa's subsequent abduction, Tyrion murdering his father,Cat/Stonehart executing Brienne and a presumably resurrected Brienne luring Jaime away for some of the same (although we haven't actually seen Jaime die yet),, there's Jon Snow getting Stabbed to death and Ramsay Bolton's letter to Jon Snow about Stannis and Theon and such, which is at least as significant at the Red Wedding. There's also Varys coming out of nowhere in the epilogue of book 5 and murdering Kevan Lannister and Grand Maester Pycelle. And those are just the deaths, the Connington/Aegon reveal is a pretty big deal, and Victarion Greyjoy is about to rock up in Mereen as book 5 ends, and I had really got to like him by then, although I was rooting for Quentin Martell, so that shows how much my liking someone has to do with anything.

Spoiler

I don't think Jon Snow is dead. He wasn't alone when the betrayal occurred. We still don't even know his parentage yet.

Also,

Spoiler

I don't think Brienne would truly back stab Jaime unless she were somehow brainwashed upon revival. It isn't made clear if she were actually executed, either. All we know is that she shouted a single word and apparently it convinced Zombie Cat to spare her.

 

[Casual Shinji]

Jesus H. Christ...!

...

That caught me with one foot off the merry-go-round. The fact that these characters were sort of presented as this "safe haven" makes this event all the more shocking. Add to that they were the "nice guys". And now they're fucking dead.

Kudos to the show for blindsiding me the way it did. The only other piece of fiction that sucker punched me like this is Berserk. I don't think I can ever watch that episode again though. Had I known about this before hand I would've never been able to make it through to the end.

 

[Vinculi]

I've seen some people say many worse things than the red wedding happen, I've read the books but I don't really recall anything worse, could someone refresh my memory?(In spoilers obviously)

Ok, if you've read all the books so far, let's recap:

Warning, SERIOUS SPOILERS FOR AT LEAST TWO MORE SEASONS WORTH OF PLOT, DON'T CLICK IF YOU LIKE SURPRISES. I DON'T WANT TO HEAR YOU COMPLAINING IF YOU CLICK IT AND REGRET IT.
ok, you've been warned.

Spoiler

Ok, aside from Joffrey's death and Sansa's subsequent abduction, Tyrion murdering his father,Cat/Stonehart executing Brienne and a presumably resurrected Brienne luring Jaime away for some of the same (although we haven't actually seen Jaime die yet),, there's Jon Snow getting Stabbed to death and Ramsay Bolton's letter to Jon Snow about Stannis and Theon and such, which is at least as significant at the Red Wedding. There's also Varys coming out of nowhere in the epilogue of book 5 and murdering Kevan Lannister and Grand Maester Pycelle. And those are just the deaths, the Connington/Aegon reveal is a pretty big deal, and Victarion Greyjoy is about to rock up in Mereen as book 5 ends, and I had really got to like him by then, although I was rooting for Quentin Martell, so that shows how much my liking someone has to do with anything.

Spoiler

I don't think Jon Snow is dead. He wasn't alone when the betrayal occurred. We still don't even know his parentage yet.

Also,

Spoiler

I don't think Brienne would truly back stab Jaime unless she were somehow brainwashed upon revival. It isn't made clear if she were actually executed, either. All we know is that she shouted a single word and apparently it convinced Zombie Cat to spare her.

We should probably stop. I know we're using spoilers and such, but some people just can't resist them.
Good points though, Just saying there's a few more "shock" moments to come.

 

[Nouw]

Spoiler: A hilariously related, Episode Ten spoiler gif.

Also, it would be greatly appreciated if people actually listed which book they're spoiling when they create a spoiler tag.