Reads ten-page thread stemming from a joke made on Twitter.
Laughs at the irony that *he* was called the reactionary.
Laughs at the irony that *he* was called the reactionary.
Gamers make bad feminists
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Jimothy Sterling said:
A) Thank god for Jim
B) Thank god for the Escapist taking jokes out of proportion and dramatizing everything.
C) Thank god for me?
There are no good feminists.
And before you get your underwear in a bind, there are no good sexists, period.
And before you get your underwear in a bind, there are no good sexists, period.
How in the seven hells did one incredibly sarcastic tweet turn this thread into an argument over feminism?
Good God!
Good God!
Anyone complaining about the absurdity of latex nuns wielding guns in a hitman trailer clearly never played hitman games.
They thrive on absurdity.
There's nothing sexist about it. If it were men in sexualized church outfits people would focus on the violence, or call in insensitive on the basis that some priests can't keep their hands to themselves and their pants in the upright position.
At the end of the day if you want to talk about sexism in games you need to be able to talk about archetypes on both sides of the chromosome pairs but much more so you really need to ask yourself, "what do people want to drop down chunks of change for?"
They thrive on absurdity.
There's nothing sexist about it. If it were men in sexualized church outfits people would focus on the violence, or call in insensitive on the basis that some priests can't keep their hands to themselves and their pants in the upright position.
At the end of the day if you want to talk about sexism in games you need to be able to talk about archetypes on both sides of the chromosome pairs but much more so you really need to ask yourself, "what do people want to drop down chunks of change for?"
You mean...LilithSlave said:
You should feel free to get them out in public, as long as they aren't smelly or covered in verrucas?
After bathing, they should be scrubbed thoroughly with an exfoliating brush or pumice?
It's considered rude to rest them on your desk at work?
In a self-defense situation, you can use their range and toughness to keep attackers at bay?
After extended high-impact exercise, they benefit from being rubbed and massaged?
A clumsy dance partner is liable to tread on them?
You can put socks or sandals on them, but never both at the same time?
See, that much I understand, and I tend to avoid these kind of things.Stu35 said:
But I read the tweet and I assumed everyone knew he was being sarcastic and joking around. I was wrong, oh so very wrong.
And it wasn't even a good enough thread deserving of popcorn since almost everyone lost their mind here.
One thing I'm embarrassed about gaming exploitation is that its even worse than Hollywood. The worst that Hollywood does in mainstream blockbusters is hot actresses in tight outfits.
Meh. I guess. Here's my take: hyper-sexualization is fucking stupid. Awesome in porn. Ridiculous, unrealistic, and downright fucking STUPID when you're playing a game that's trying to mimic how real people act and look.
I love boobies as much as anyone but Hyper sexualized women are ridiculous in video games. Absolutely ridiculous. I don't really care about the feminist argument. My problem is The whole deal with chainmail bikini's and schoolgirl and leather stripper nuns is immersion breaking BECAUSE IT DOESN'T FUCKING MAKE SENSE.
let's wear leather stripper clothing to go kill someone......k...That would make sense if you were disguising yourself as a stripper or if you wanted to use that to get close to the target....but....for fucks sake it was raining and they were after one of the most dangerous targets in the FUCKING WORLD!!! body armor maybe?
fucking ridiculous. Immersion breaking adolescent eye candied idiocy.
I love boobies as much as anyone but Hyper sexualized women are ridiculous in video games. Absolutely ridiculous. I don't really care about the feminist argument. My problem is The whole deal with chainmail bikini's and schoolgirl and leather stripper nuns is immersion breaking BECAUSE IT DOESN'T FUCKING MAKE SENSE.
let's wear leather stripper clothing to go kill someone......k...That would make sense if you were disguising yourself as a stripper or if you wanted to use that to get close to the target....but....for fucks sake it was raining and they were after one of the most dangerous targets in the FUCKING WORLD!!! body armor maybe?
fucking ridiculous. Immersion breaking adolescent eye candied idiocy.
I didn't really read the thread too much. I really just wanted to air out my feelings on gamers and feminism at the moment.
The word "sexist" is losing so much meaning for me in the gaming sphere. I'm becoming more and more numb towards these kinds of controversies because it's all becoming reactionary bullshit. When did everyone stop approaching things from multiple perspectives? When did art become an agenda?
The new Tomb Raider and its detractors are what's making me sigh...Weakness can be sexist, or it can be the logical starting point on a journey of growth. Cleavage can be sexist, or it can be a statement of individuality. By contrast, doesn't anyone think that those who idolize Alyx Vance or Jade from Beyond Good and Evil as feminist heroines are a bit sexist? Don't some of them seem to imply that the only way a woman can be strong is if she's completely covered and modest? Different perspectives, people, they give you different results. I feel like patient thinking is just disappearing more and more as the vocal minority becomes louder and louder, just from looking at some of the reactionary shit I've seen about this game.
I saw the trailers and demos for Tomb Raider and I can kinda see where people glean the sexist thing from, what with the frequent yelps of pain and the overused rape device to separate bad from good, weak from strong, etc. But I was also incredibly compelled to see how this frail person becomes stronger. Hell I look at this new Lara, cries and pleas for help and all, and am terrified of her. This looks like someone who will not be kept down if it's time to survive, like the Chosen Undead in Dark Souls. Is that the wrong opinion to have? I mean, I am a man who likes tits and ass but also finds the inequality between genders to be bullshit, so I don't know how privileged that makes me. Maybe I don't deserve to even have an opinion on the subject, since I'm so easy to immerse into a story that I tend to think of game characters as their own people with their own stories first, vehicles for agendas second.
In short, can we just murder the Post-ME3 vocal minority already?
The word "sexist" is losing so much meaning for me in the gaming sphere. I'm becoming more and more numb towards these kinds of controversies because it's all becoming reactionary bullshit. When did everyone stop approaching things from multiple perspectives? When did art become an agenda?
The new Tomb Raider and its detractors are what's making me sigh...Weakness can be sexist, or it can be the logical starting point on a journey of growth. Cleavage can be sexist, or it can be a statement of individuality. By contrast, doesn't anyone think that those who idolize Alyx Vance or Jade from Beyond Good and Evil as feminist heroines are a bit sexist? Don't some of them seem to imply that the only way a woman can be strong is if she's completely covered and modest? Different perspectives, people, they give you different results. I feel like patient thinking is just disappearing more and more as the vocal minority becomes louder and louder, just from looking at some of the reactionary shit I've seen about this game.
I saw the trailers and demos for Tomb Raider and I can kinda see where people glean the sexist thing from, what with the frequent yelps of pain and the overused rape device to separate bad from good, weak from strong, etc. But I was also incredibly compelled to see how this frail person becomes stronger. Hell I look at this new Lara, cries and pleas for help and all, and am terrified of her. This looks like someone who will not be kept down if it's time to survive, like the Chosen Undead in Dark Souls. Is that the wrong opinion to have? I mean, I am a man who likes tits and ass but also finds the inequality between genders to be bullshit, so I don't know how privileged that makes me. Maybe I don't deserve to even have an opinion on the subject, since I'm so easy to immerse into a story that I tend to think of game characters as their own people with their own stories first, vehicles for agendas second.
In short, can we just murder the Post-ME3 vocal minority already?
The problem with that then is that in a real war scenario, I can't hide to regen health. Or press B to kill someone in melee. That's a solution I couldn't use to succeed. I can't fight my way through an army of strange creatures to rescue someone, a la most RPGs, I probably couldn't even fend off an attack force filled with special agents and paramilitary to protect my own life (splinter cell conviction) after being wrongly convicted of a crime. It's not as if those in that situation necessarily had the ability to fight back, or were in a position to fight back, etc. It doesn't seem empowering to display a solution that people can't necessarily use to succeed.Mortai Gravesend said:
What's wrong with all of you? You have bad luck in real life sou you wanna defend women on vg forums to become a defender?
Yup, have to confess, totally not getting the furore over the new Tomb Raider. Seems like games devs are damned if they do and damned if they don't.
Well, I think what it comes down to is even though I agree with their motives, trying to reduce domestic violence against woman and stopping sexism, I cannot abide by many of their methods any longer, and it has left me Jaded to the whole endeavour.Loonyyy said: