Games Now Legally Considered an Art Form (in the USA)

WolfEdge

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Treblaine said:
WolfEdge said:
Treblaine said:
Very good point on how this will make it easier to defend games (in America) from being censored using the 1st amendment. But to address you concerns:

1. you aren't given this money without asking for it
2. you need to prove your project is more worthy than everyone else's ideas to get it
3. The project is then made available for free like a public work of art or a free game on XBLA

Seriously, the government might pay for people to make free games. Some people don't want to go the indie commerce route or just don't have the means to live without income for 2-3 years developing a game that may very well make very little to no money (and you weren't interested in profit anyway).
But why extract those funds from someone who doesn't necessarily want to give it? If a person isn't interested in profiting from their own work, then why is it ok to force someone else to foot the bill for their own self-admitting monetarily worthless expenditure of effort? If it's something you don't want to make a living out of doing, then why worry about money at all? Why not just do it, without forcing the compliance of others?
"someone who doesn't necessarily want to give it?"

What, the taxpayers? Tough titty. The taxpayers elected the government that decides what the public needs and that includes public art which can also extend to video games if distributed correctly.

People don't "necessarily want to" pay for the US Navy, but it has done a heck of a lot to serve the United States in its long history at the taxpayers expense.

And yes, artists have expenditures even if they are not in this for profit nor a living. They still have to eat, even a sculptor needs a stone and tools to carve it with.

Think about it, if they make something for the public, as in freely available for all; no ads, no charity bin, no nothing, then they will go bankrupt as while they work on this project - for the public - as they try to pay for gas, electricity, food, rent, etc.

Remember, for the public. Free. They can't make promises to the bank or take out a loan as after all this effort they'd get nothing for this as it'd go in a public space or distributed for free.

Not everyone has a rich benefactor. Actually that's what the government is doing her, being a rich benefactor.
But that's just it. The games AREN'T free, they're paid for by people who have no say in the matter. Stop bringing up unjust military spending as though it somehow makes this PARTICULAR injustice more right. Some taxes are necessary, just like paying a monthly bill for an apartment with utilities is a necessity for continued living IN the apartment, and I understand that. However, being forced to pay for services rendered which directly benefit the individual is not the same as being forced to pay for the unwanted product of another that doesn't affect me. The government isn't a rich benefactor, it's simply passing on money it forcibly took from someone else.

It's unacceptable because the people that don't want to give have no say in the matter. It's claiming the rights to the labor and time of someone else. It's just an excepted form of slavery, when you peel away the morality that cloaks it.
 

SageRuffin

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WolfEdge said:
In this particular case, it's not about validation so much as it is PROTECTION. This ruling sets a powerful precedent for games that DO want to take that leap to artistry, while still allowing the freedoms of those that don't to remain intact.
I don't even know what to say that. I always thought people were too afraid of being offensive.

But whatever, I'm done talking about it. I'm gonna go kill some dicks in Bulletstorm.
 

bdcjacko

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More like games as fart! Amirite? No? It is a silly thing to have to legally qualify something as art. Should have been protected free speech already. Oh well.
 

CyprisVeil

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About time. I remember my piano teacher saying to me "You're a smart girl, why do you play video games?"
 

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lacktheknack said:
Dango said:
I still don't really get why everyone thinks games have to be art.
To avoid censorship in the USA.

That's all.
No... well... yes :/

Hay, we want our hobby protected, I don't see why that isn't a worthy note.

Off-topic: NOW THAT CAT MUSIC IS INSIDE MY BRAIN BECAUSE OF YOuR AVATAR DX
 

archvile93

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Lyri said:
binvjoh said:
I don't think it's as much about being considered art as it's about getting some sort of recognition of the value as a serious part of society.
What's so serious about games?
People enjoy it and can find deep meaning in it. If that's not a valid answer to you then what makes other artistic outlets serious? Not being confrontational, that's just how I see it.
 

Cliff_m85

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Great that it's considered art (way past time) but I'm utterly against grants for art.
 

FalloutJack

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It was inevitable.

*Puts on a monocle*

I wear a monocle now. Monocles are cool.
 

Lilani

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As awesome as this is, I do wish they would have made this ruling a little later. I have an eight minute persuasive speech I have to present on Monday, and my objective is to convince the audience that video games are art and to join the fight to get them legally recognized as such.

But now this ruling sort of undermines that sense of urgency D: What to do...
 

lacktheknack

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Not G. Ivingname said:
lacktheknack said:
Dango said:
I still don't really get why everyone thinks games have to be art.
To avoid censorship in the USA.

That's all.
No... well... yes :/

Hay, we want our hobby protected, I don't see why that isn't a worthy note.

Off-topic: NOW THAT CAT MUSIC IS INSIDE MY BRAIN BECAUSE OF YOuR AVATAR DX
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You're welcome.