^This. Seriously some of the droprate for the rare stuff is ridiculous e.g. the droprate of this very rare sword from Phantasy Star Zero is like 0.001%PoisonUnagi said:
Games or game sections that require more luck than skill.
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True, I suppose the tactical view did give the PC version an advantage, but still, with a good tactics setup and some character switching I don't see why luck would matter so much. Also, as you said, console difficulty was lower, so I'd call it even.Xzi said:
Indeed. Getting a good game in COD is often about getting very lucky with spawns and connection, and if you often play alone like I do, you need to get extra lucky with team-mates.SomethingAmazing said:
I do so love those games of TDM where you go 26-5 and still lose.
Mario Kart, especially the Wii iteration. Never have I been hit by 5 Blue Shells in a row, A ROW no less! Why doesn't the game just rip the god damn controller from my hands if it doesn't want me to win!?
Any online FPS multiplayer. Sometimes when faced with a t-junction you'll be lucky, look the right way first and come face to face with someone who's reloading, and sometimes you'll be unlucky, look the wrong way first and get a shotgun to the back of the head.
This is also another good shout. I've lost count of the number of characters that have died in sudden, meaningless, and downright random deaths whilst playing games like ADOM. I can't speak for Cogwheel, but I suppose I enjoy Roguelikes because the RNG (the very thing that makes playing these games such a trial) is the very thing that ensures each game is different, varied and new every time you play.Cogwheel said:
Oh, I know the focus was on multiplayer. When I say that Halo CE's multiplayer has a vast and consistant skill gap, it comes from experience consistantly getting my butt kicked by people who clearly had more skill than me and consistantly kicking the butts of people who I was clearly better than.Xzi said:
While HCE's aim magnetism is noticeable because it has only very rudimentary application logic (it doesn't turn off in cases where you aren't intentionally tracking an enemy), it's actually substantially less extreme than in many newer games; in Reach, if your reticle accidentally locks, it can wind up being helplessly dragged spot-on on the opponent for the better part of a second even if you try to drag it off. And the hitboxes are actually properly sized, while, say, Reach's head hitboxes literally have twice the diameter of a head.
If you want to argue that modern Halo games have fairly small skill gaps, I'm inclined to agree. As much as I usually try to survive in Reach on superior tactics (and succeed), I've definitely noticed that, while better DMR users have a tendency to win fights, I do nonetheless frequently pull through against them, particularly a fight degenerates into CQB pistol spam (I swear, the magnum cannot miss at close range if you just spin about and fire wildly. Sometimes I think its reticle bloom makes the bullet larger rather than accuracy worse.).
I gonna have to disagree with you on this. Yea, drawing from a deck includes random chance but that is why you have to plan what cards go into the deck. The best decks in magic are ones where the creators tailor the odds of what they draw in their favor kinda like how professional poker players memorize the odds so they know whether they should fold or stay. That strikes me as requiring more thought and strategy than just luck.C117 said:
I would have to say most free for all matches online in any FPS. Those become who gets the luckiest spawn point near the best weapon. At least in team matches you can count on buddies to cover you while you reload.
Professor K from the Lost Odyssey DLC. 100% luck-based if you fight him normally, and probably still about 50% luck if you use the "cheap" way. Not to mention you pretty much need everyone to be about level 90 for the cheap tactic to work.
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The worst part is that if you die, you have to go through a dungeon that's about 20 floors and is as interesting as the prison in Final Fantasy VIII again -- there's no save point.
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The worst part is that if you die, you have to go through a dungeon that's about 20 floors and is as interesting as the prison in Final Fantasy VIII again -- there's no save point.
Anytime in a shooter where the enemy have one-hit kill weapons. Essentially, the chance of an enemy hitting you is random. You can take cover all day, but you have to put yourself in the line of fire sometime if you want to continue. Thus, giving the enemy the ability to kill you in one hit turns the game into a random dice roll every time you poke your fat head around the wall.
Also, at the Risk comment: Dice hate me. I was winning a game of Risk once, I had all of Africa and South America and was slowly slowly taking over North America. Then I attacked a country defended by five armies, with 30 armies. I lost everything, they lost one. Then on their turn they traded in their cards, kicked me off South America only losing a couple troops (I had 2-5 armies on each country btw) and took the first country in Africa. Half a dozen turns later I was eliminated. So yes, there is a significant amount of luck involved with Risk.
Also, at the Risk comment: Dice hate me. I was winning a game of Risk once, I had all of Africa and South America and was slowly slowly taking over North America. Then I attacked a country defended by five armies, with 30 armies. I lost everything, they lost one. Then on their turn they traded in their cards, kicked me off South America only losing a couple troops (I had 2-5 armies on each country btw) and took the first country in Africa. Half a dozen turns later I was eliminated. So yes, there is a significant amount of luck involved with Risk.
That bit in one of them Fear Effect games, cant rmemeber which. The bit at the end where you have to step through 1 square of 2, the 1 square of 3 and so on untill 1 square of 8 or something. No clues or hints to which square. Pure Luck. You step on thr wrong square 2 or 3 times, you die, reload and start again, every time the order is mixed so you cant even memorize.
Balls.
Balls.
You've played ADOM? I'm so sorry.Grouchy Imp said:
And yes, you're probably right, it's that and the sheer depth. Then you get problems specific to ADOM (hello there, Filk/Courage quest/bunch of other stuff) that... well, it's not even luck as much as developer sadism. Not quite sure what to call it. Still, I've finished the game and now I never need to touch it again.
Not necessarily. Occasionally, that's true (assuming the bombs/squares ratio allows it), but I'm talking the overwhelming likelihood of actually being backed into a corner. Even if one click on a random square only has <url=http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/2921/minesweep.jpg>a 25% chance of being a mine, it's still a leap of faith that is quite likely to entail several more leaps of faith (unless you're supremely lucky and it illuminates another giant block...<url=http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/6507/resultz.jpg>which I wasn't), where taking the 50% chance has the better possibility of setting you back on the systematic track.migo said:
Either way, it's still luck-based.
The part in Pokemon Ranger where you have to guide the guy to the machine parts and not hit any bug Pokemon is mostly luck.