Games Workshop Stock Plummets By 24 Percent

[Mangod]

And, personal gripe; they force you to buy certain amounts of unis of a certain type to make your army legal at all: 25% of your army must be Troop Choice units, for example Guardsmen. The same Guardsmen that are sold at 10 models for $29 a box. How many points is a Guardsman? 10? 9? Less? At tournament levels, 2000 points or so, you need to buy at least 50 of these guys, so that's $145 for the basics of a tournament army. And then you need the HQ general on top of that...

You're getting your systems crossed here. Only Fantasy currently has % points that must/can be spent on specific areas. 40k is still using the Force Organisation chart, where you need 1 HQ and 2 Troops to be legal in normal games. For a barebone minimum guard set up you only need 2 boxes of guardsmen (to use as veterans) and a command squad. Which comes in at £51:50 ($84.50). A 1500 point (the standard tournament army size) mechanised Guard army (which are among the most expensive armies to collect), will set you back around £300 ($492) to £340 ($558). Which is cheaper than next gen console atm (PS4 £349, Xbone £429).

Not saying the hobby is cheap, but it's not really any worse than many other hobbies people indulge in.

Right, thanks. Sorry, it's been a while since I played the game last, as I said, I've started playing Warmachine/Hordes instead (Long live the Supreme Archdomina! Long live the Skorne Empire!).

 

[shintakie10]

[And let's not even get started on Matt Ward (may his name be cursed for all eternity). In fact, let me just quote word for word from an interview with him from White Dwarf.

"By the same token, if slaying their Battle Sister allies provides the pure blood needed to enact a banishing ritual against Warp-spawn, then a Justicar may well order it."

Putting aside the Grey Knights' pragmatism for a moment (Mat spoke with a little too much relish when extolling that previous example), let's focus on their tabletop presence.

That's completely unedited. Games Workshop's own official magazine acknowledges that Matt Ward's a creepy little fuck. And Grey Knights killing Sisters of Battle for a banishing ritual actually got put into the codex as fluff, despite how it didn't make any sense.

Matt Ward fucks with the Sisters of Battle to a terrifying degree. They're raped, killed, corrupted, killed, raped, utterly destroyed in minor footnotes, and raped/killed a lot.

I don't know what the heck is wrong with that mans head, but seriously...the fuck?

 

[Geo Da Sponge]

And let's not even get started on Matt Ward (may his name be cursed for all eternity). In fact, let me just quote word for word from an interview with him from White Dwarf [footnote]It's on page 24 of edition 376, talking about the then new Grey Knights codex. I know it seems really weird that I have this to hand, but it really stuck with me.[/footnote].

"By the same token, if slaying their Battle Sister allies provides the pure blood needed to enact a banishing ritual against Warp-spawn, then a Justicar may well order it."

Putting aside the Grey Knights' pragmatism for a moment (Mat spoke with a little too much relish when extolling that previous example), let's focus on their tabletop presence.

That's completely unedited. Games Workshop's own official magazine acknowledges that Matt Ward's a creepy little fuck. And Grey Knights killing Sisters of Battle for a banishing ritual actually got put into the codex as fluff, despite how it didn't make any sense.

EDIT: Welp, this thread has now made me find out about the Space Marine Centurions, and OH GOD I CAN'T HANDLE THIS SHIT ANYMORE

Would you say the Centurions are better or worse than the Dreadknight?

*Dreadknight image snip*

And yes, Matt Ward is a terrible fluff-author who should be slapped to death with a hardcover copy of the 6th edition rulebook.

Actually, if they post that on youtube they'd probably get the worlds biggest salespike...

Me and my friends always called them "Robo-papooses". I mean, the Centurions are better, but only by comparison. It's still a Space Marine in a Space Marine, built on the logic of "Hey guys, what if we made our Space Marines bigger?" Like Terminators, but with a design which is a million times more stupid and screams "power creep" all over it.

But, ugh, nothing can compare to damn Dreadknights.

PS. I know I'd pay to watch that video.

Matt Ward fucks with the Sisters of Battle to a terrifying degree. They're raped, killed, corrupted, killed, raped, utterly destroyed in minor footnotes, and raped/killed a lot.

I don't know what the heck is wrong with that mans head, but seriously...the fuck?

Yup, pretty much. Shit happens in Warhammer 40K, but it never normally gets that creepily specific and detailed.

 

[MorganL4]

Y'know, saying British Pounds is a far clunkier way of saying, like, £. Plus it is, to be pedantic, British Pounds Sterling. Still, your word choices baffle me.

I hate to break it to ya dude, but our American keyboards don't come equipped with the £ symbol. In order to find it you either need to go through a long emblem list in word (that isn't easy to access) or google "pound symbol" and then copy and paste it in to your paper. As such for us Americans it is just simpler to type British Pound, or as you said British Pound Sterling.

This begs a question on my part. Is the $ symbol on your keyboards?

 

[Moloch Sacrifice]

Y'know, saying British Pounds is a far clunkier way of saying, like, £. Plus it is, to be pedantic, British Pounds Sterling. Still, your word choices baffle me.

I hate to break it to ya dude, but our American keyboards don't come equipped with the £ symbol. In order to find it you either need to go through a long emblem list in word (that isn't easy to access) or google "pound symbol" and then copy and paste it in to your paper. As such for us Americans it is just simpler to type British Pound, or as you said British Pound Sterling.

This begs a question on my part. Is the $ symbol on your keyboards?

At risk of derailing this thread, all I can say is "$".

OT, I've had aspirations to collect some of the more fringe miniatures that GW produced, such as the Battlefleet Gothic ships, or Epic 40k, once I had the cash and space to handle it. Of course, now both those games (and more besides) have been sunk, my aspirations have been rendered moot. Which is a shame, as I think a lot of their more distinctive miniatures came from these side ranges, especially Battlefleet Gothic with the fantastic Imperial cruisers and their armoured prows.

Now I've had to resort to trawling ebay, which is not only proving more expensive, but cuts GW out of the picture entirely, so nobody wins!

 

[ccggenius12]

Also, for your conveniance and entertainment I leave you with this, which fits GW Company Policy to a T by a scary degree X3

You forgot the following MAJOR exception; That video only applies if you're playing for the Imperium. By and large, Xenos can go in the corner over there and weep. Then spend another fifty on codex supplementary material, and still be worse.

GW said "fuck you" to that army (as they do to everything else besides Space fucking Marines) and pretty much dropped all support for it after only a couple of years. That meant no new codex, no new models, hardly any rules updates, and all their units were pretty much pulled from brick and mortar stores. They remain an extremely niche army to this day.

Sisters got a codex update literally a few months ago... I can see why you didn't know, it's digital only and they didn't put out any new models to go with it. As far as I can tell, they had a bunch of back inventory gathering dust, so they said piss on it, and banged out a new 'dex to trick people into paying them for the privilege of doing their spring cleaning.

 

[Sir Shockwave]

Also, for your convenience and entertainment I leave you with this, which fits GW Company Policy to a T by a scary degree X3

You forgot the following MAJOR exception; That video only applies if you're playing for the Imperium. By and large, Xenos can go in the corner over there and weep. Then spend another fifty on codex supplementary material, and still be worse.

Geh, true - blame FlashGits Animation for that one. Still think they should be pummeling a dead Tyranid or something...

...Although your statement does leave out the Sisters of Battle, who are currently bed buddies with the Tyranids in terms of how much GW cares about them (it's been reported that the 6th Edition book is WORSE than the book they had 5th Edition. Hopefully they can pull an Imperial Guard sometime later, or they may die out altogether).

 

[rees263]

I was a massive fan of GW all through my teens but got out of the hobby about 6 years ago because I didn't have anyone to play it with at the time so I lost interest. I still have all my models, I'm still a fan of the stories, love Dawn of War etc, just couldn't justify carrying on.

Recently I got the urge to have another go at it - after all I still have a load of models so it shouldn't be too hard right? I couldn't believe the prices of stuff now. It looks like models have at least *doubled* in price in those 6 years, and the books are even worse. It would cost me over £70 just to buy the rule book and one army book.

I would definitely still be willing to play the game with my old models and the old rules. I have very fond memories of playing, but from what I've read people just hate the direction the hobby has taken now. One of my friends worked in a GW store when I was playing and even back then he hated it because of all the bullshit coming down from the management.

I think I got out at the right time. If I wanted to take up tabletop gaming again I would absolutely choose a different system. It would mean starting from scratch, but it feels like I would be almost starting from scratch with Warhammer and I don't think I could take any more GW crap.

 

[rapidoud]

I bet it didn't help that they capped the amount of figures non-GW stores were allowed to order. That led to several popular stores closing.

But yeah, the figure price gouging is certainly the biggest problem.

If any of you people read any of the financial reports you'd know the company was doing pretty poorly before they started increasing prices.

 

[Me55enger]

£.

I hate to break it to ya dude, but our American keyboards don't come equipped with the £ symbol. In order to find it you either need to go through a long emblem list in word (that isn't easy to access) or google "pound symbol" and then copy and paste it in to your paper. As such for us Americans it is just simpler to type British Pound, or as you said British Pound Sterling.

This begs a question on my part. Is the $ symbol on your keyboards?

At risk of derailing, I can indeed. In fact, my keyboard supports £, $ and ?. It's odd but not necessarily surprising that there is no £ on US keyboards. I'll bear that in mind next time I criticise, thanks.

OT: Got a Games Workshop in the next-town-over to me. It's been suffering ever since a little local company called TrollTrader moved in behind it. Trolltrader does literally every single potential competition for Warhammer and then some. The air of satisfaction when I walk in there is tangible.

 

[Zykon TheLich_v1legacy]

OT: Got a Games Workshop in the next-town-over to me. It's been suffering ever since a little local company called TrollTrader moved in behind it. Trolltrader does literally every single potential competition for Warhammer and then some. The air of satisfaction when I walk in there is tangible.

Trolltrader...GW...would happen to be Truro? They were dicks in there (well, one guy) every time I went in there I got the hard sell. Shame, the gamers in there were pretty friendly, if it hadn't been for Mr. Overenthusiatic I'd probably have gone there quite a bit and spent a lot more money. Also do they go GW stuff? I know they do second hand GW on ebay.

 

[Random berk]

No matter. The emperor protects. Doubt is for the weak. We all know that the hidden chest in the armory of the Grey Knights holds the key to revitalizing the entire franchise...

Wrong. You think that this news coming out at the exact same time as the new Tyranid codex is coincidence? The Great Devourer has arrived, and this is the first death knell for the Imperium of Man and the Warhammer 40K galaxy.

 

[Idlemessiah]

I stopped collecting years ago when a pot of Citadel paint went above £1.50 and my pocket money couldn't cover it any longer.

Now I doubt even my wages could cover the cost of putting an army together let alone having to re-buy all the rule books.

I think I'll stick to Dawn of War.

 

[Thaluikhain]

If any of you people read any of the financial reports you'd know the company was doing pretty poorly before they started increasing prices.

Before they started increasing prices? When have they ever not increased prices? There's been a constant (and in many eyes, excessive) increase in price for the last 15-20 odd years.

 

[Me55enger]

Trolltrader

Trolltrader...GW...would happen to be Truro? They were dicks in there (well, one guy) every time I went in there I got the hard sell. Shame, the gamers in there were pretty friendly, if it hadn't been for Mr. Overenthusiatic I'd probably have gone there quite a bit and spent a lot more money. Also do they go GW stuff? I know they do second hand GW on ebay.

Truro, yeah. Good catch.

I can't vouch for all thier staff. The ones I know are good folk, Louis especially. It's a shame you found a bad egg. I don't know how it works, but they don't sell GW stuff other than second hand. I assume they don't have a licence.

Instead they sell everything else in competition with GW. Which is fine by me.

 

[Muspelheim]

No matter. The emperor protects. Doubt is for the weak. We all know that the hidden chest in the armory of the Grey Knights holds the key to revitalizing the entire franchise...

Wrong. You think that this news coming out at the exact same time as the new Tyranid codex is coincidence? The Great Devourer has arrived, and this is the first death knell for the Imperium of Man and the Warhammer 40K galaxy.

Om nom nom nom!! Scrreeeeeech! Nom nom nom!

I've always felt the Tyranids were the least evil faction in that universe. They just want to eat new and exotic things, and become all that they can be with the new genes they nibble along the way.

Not to mention, Battlefleet Gothic may be gone (why...), but I could probably still play it rather convincingly with a handful of pine cones and artichokes.

 

[ccggenius12]

I've always felt the Tyranids were the least evil faction in that universe. They just want to eat new and exotic things, and become all that they can be with the new genes they nibble along the way.

I'd argue for Orks. They're equal opportunity soccer hooligans, as likely to kill you as kill the filthy xeno that's trying to kill you, and THEN kill you.
Or Necrons, they come to earth with a simple dream, to destroy all humans. Is that so wrong?

...Although your statement does leave out the Sisters of Battle, who are currently bed buddies with the Tyranids in terms of how much GW cares about them (it's been reported that the 6th Edition book is WORSE than the book they had 5th Edition. Hopefully they can pull an Imperial Guard sometime later, or they may die out altogether).

Don't let the power armor fool you, I'm quite certain that those breasts have convinced Matt Ward that they are xenos, because that would explain so much.

 

[Kotaro]

Not surprised. They continue to jack up the prices on miniatures that continue to drop in quality.
This is why I don't play Warhammer.

 

[Sir Shockwave]

Don't let the power armor fool you, I'm quite certain that those breasts have convinced Matt Ward that they are xenos, because that would explain so much.

Also while I'm here, the two armies dominating 6th Edition right now are Tau and Eldar. The combined Taudar Leaf Blower lists are even more of a problem.

And now you've mentioned this, report to your local Commissarat for immediate blamming for attempting to insult one of His Holy Institutions X3

(Actually, it's been strongly implied in many places that Matt Ward is into sexist snuff flicks. Wat X3)

 

[Beetlebum]

Gw itself has claimed in the White Dwarf (overpriced propaganda magazine) that they do not see the gaming, painting or modelling side of the hobby as the most important. It is, in their eyes, a collection hobby. Basicaly they are telling their customers 'Just buy our stuff and be happy with everything we sell you.'

40K is dominated by flyers and large models, so large its becoming silly (And impossible to model dynamically). All new codex make the old units suck and force people to buy new boxes. Fantasy is a sad joke, the hobbit an expensive one. Specialists games are unsupported and the most praised new models are terrain pieces. They sell boxes with two possible units in them and price them as such, but you can only make one of the two units.

Even their plastic glue doesn't melt plastic together anymore, just sorta pastes it together for a short while.

The best thing GW has done recently is to give Fantasy Flight Games the licence to make 40K RPGs/boardgames.

And I actually like the hobby, sorry for the rant.