Games Workshop Stock Plummets By 24 Percent

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ccggenius12

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Sir Shockwave said:
And now you've mentioned this, report to your local Commissarat for immediate blamming for attempting to insult one of His Holy Institutions X3
I can see how the wall of internet between us could lead you to believe that I'm of the Imperium. I would just like to take this moment to rectify the situation by going on record as stating that I am, in fact, an inordinately well spoken Greenskin. I'm quite certain if the others find out that I can read, or am capable of speaking without a Cockney accent, I will be torn asunder; my limbs grafted to a squig and my teeth traded for fungus beer. Of course, I'd probably live, but being a toothless torso is far from something to aspire to.
 

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ccggenius12 said:
Sir Shockwave said:
And now you've mentioned this, report to your local Commissarat for immediate blamming for attempting to insult one of His Holy Institutions X3
I can see how the wall of internet between us could lead you to believe that I'm of the Imperium. I would just like to take this moment to rectify the situation by going on record as stating that I am, in fact, an inordinately well spoken Greenskin. I'm quite certain if the others find out that I can read, or am capable of speaking without a Cockney accent, I will be torn asunder; my limbs grafted to a squig and my teeth traded for fungus beer. Of course, I'd probably live, but being a toothless torso is far from something to aspire to.
Oi! Ladz! Get tha' zoggin, humie-talkin' git! WAAAGH!!!

Beetlebum said:
Gw itself has claimed in the White Dwarf (overpriced propaganda magazine) that they do not see the gaming, painting or modelling side of the hobby as the most important. It is, in their eyes, a collection hobby. Basicaly they are telling their customers 'Just buy our stuff and be happy with everything we sell you.'

40K is dominated by flyers and large models, so large its becoming silly (And impossible to model dynamically). All new codex make the old units suck and force people to buy new boxes. Fantasy is a sad joke, the hobbit an expensive one. Specialists games are unsupported and the most praised new models are terrain pieces. They sell boxes with two possible units in them and price them as such, but you can only make one of the two units.

Even their plastic glue doesn't melt plastic together anymore, just sorta pastes it together for a short while.

The best thing GW has done recently is to give Fantasy Flight Games the licence to make 40K RPGs/boardgames.

And I actually like the hobby, sorry for the rant.
I find it hilarious how GW actually sees White Dwarf as a source of revenue. Yes, really [http://thefrontlinegamer.blogspot.se/2013/05/how-can-you-tell-when-business-is-in.html#more].

As if refusing to support, and evetually killing Specialist Games wasn't stupid enough... [http://thefrontlinegamer.blogspot.se/2013/05/monday-musing-specialist-games.html#more].
 

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For all the complaining people do about the price of the minis, I'm actually more upset by the price of the books. I'm writing a large post right now one why the books (particularly the codices) are an enormous ripoff that deters new players from getting involved with the game.
 

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Basically, games GW sold licenses to be created after THQ fall clearly indicate that GW has no idea what they're doing.
 
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Raziel said:
I bet it didn't help that they capped the amount of figures non-GW stores were allowed to order. That led to several popular stores closing.
Actually, that's when they lost my business. Games World which sold their figures was a 5 minute drive away. The nearest Games Workshop is a 20 minute drive away.

Also, their paints are overpriced.
 

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rapidoud said:
If any of you people read any of the financial reports you'd know the company was doing pretty poorly before they started increasing prices.
Then they're obviously running their business very inefficiently and/or with some obscene overhead.
 

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I'm just surprised they still exist with their business practices. They're basically milking their core fans by now, completely alienating potential new customers. If they continue like this, they will die out completely before long.
 

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Second step would be to stock stores with default, standard armies that already come painted...
Let's not go down that road, it's what killed Rackham and their Confrontation brand.

(Didn't help that their prepainted plastic miniatures were covered in thick, flaky, and brittle paint.)
 

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Sir Shockwave said:
ccggenius12 said:
Muspelheim said:
Don't let the power armor fool you, I'm quite certain that those breasts have convinced Matt Ward that they are xenos, because that would explain so much.
Also while I'm here, the two armies dominating 6th Edition right now are Tau and Eldar. The combined Taudar Leaf Blower lists are even more of a problem.

And now you've mentioned this, report to your local Commissarat for immediate blamming for attempting to insult one of His Holy Institutions X3

(Actually, it's been strongly implied in many places that Matt Ward is into sexist snuff flicks. Wat X3)
aaaaand by "many places" do you refer to the "changer of ways" or /TG/ in general?

Funnily enough, a mate of mine and me picked up 40k at the same time, he rolls TAU and i roll GK or DA. And i've won 9.5 times out of ten. I think the TAudar complains are a bit overblown.
 

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Atmos Duality said:
rapidoud said:
If any of you people read any of the financial reports you'd know the company was doing pretty poorly before they started increasing prices.
Then they're obviously running their business very inefficiently and/or with some obscene overhead.
Also, the CEO (with a proven history of generating profit and bringing innovations to the brand) dropping (or being dropped, depending on who you ask) and replacing with a board volunteer isn't the wisest of actions.
 

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I think the panic is premature, they still running a 12% profit, very much in the green here.
yes 3D printing will be the end of shops like theirs but that isnt moving in THAT fast yet. Also licensing and other stupid laws will allow them to hold a stranglehold for a while still.
 

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keiji_Maeda said:
Sir Shockwave said:
ccggenius12 said:
Muspelheim said:
Don't let the power armor fool you, I'm quite certain that those breasts have convinced Matt Ward that they are xenos, because that would explain so much.
Also while I'm here, the two armies dominating 6th Edition right now are Tau and Eldar. The combined Taudar Leaf Blower lists are even more of a problem.

And now you've mentioned this, report to your local Commissarat for immediate blamming for attempting to insult one of His Holy Institutions X3

(Actually, it's been strongly implied in many places that Matt Ward is into sexist snuff flicks. Wat X3)
aaaaand by "many places" do you refer to the "changer of ways" or /TG/ in general?

Funnily enough, a mate of mine and me picked up 40k at the same time, he rolls TAU and i roll GK or DA. And i've won 9.5 times out of ten. I think the TAudar complains are a bit overblown.
There was a Post here in this very thread with a White Dwarf quote. It's a good few pages back by now.
 

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My only surprise is that this type of decline didn't come sooner, as many ex-staff and ex-GW gamers have been predicting for years.

Back in the annals of history there was little alternative to GW's games and minis line (particularly here in the UK) certainly if you were looking to play sci-fi or fantasy themed games with good looking models and a large, cohesive system. Other mini lines seemed too scattered or simply didn't look as good. Sure, there were exceptions but in the main GW was arguably the best option unless you were a historical wargames player. GW rose in popularity due to excellent art values, solid rules system that were easy to teach and remember, and high-street presence.

These days there are many companies selling well thought out and expanded gaming lines where the sculpt quality rivals or beats GW, the prices are lower and the availability just as good. Games like Warmachine, Malifaux, Warpath and Anima are widely available in gamins stores and mini-boardgame hybrids like X-Wing, Star Trek attack wing, Heroclix and Dreadball fill the gaps where players don't have the time or money commitment to make to a full wargame system. Players have absolutely no reliance on GW's presence which means GW should be trying harder than ever before to maintain their top-dog spot.

GW doesn't enjoy the largely uncontested space as it once did and with their policy on continually raising miniature prices at every single change (from lead to 'more expensive to produce' white metal, then from white metal to 'more expensive to sculpt masters for' plastic and from plastic to 'more expensive to mould and produce' finecast) and rulebook costs with every new printing they are driving more and more players into the waiting arms of alternative games systems.

GW are creating themselves a perfect storm of failure slowly but surely. Forever rising costs, forever shrinking store support, poorly supporting well-loved products, forever tightening in-store rules and a traditional pursuance of policies that alienate of long-term players in the pursuit of seemingly younger and younger fresh blood will eat into their profit margin more and more. We all see it coming and it's only because of the strength and player investment built in the brand in previous years that stops it from faltering completely and quickly.

Ex-staff I've spoken to rarely have nice things to say about the company. Long term players in my neck of the woods have been slowly leaving Warhammer games for alternatives that don't suffer Codex power creep, don't give less for more money every year and don't make them feel straightjacketed in the way they play. The immediate future isn't looking great for GW but the fact remains it is a company that still contains passionate gamers, helps serves the needs of a stubborn community not willing to let the brand die and that still has the most recognizable and accessible high-street presence in the gaming world.

If GW don't learn soon their death would certainly not be a quick one. Don't write them off yet as they are still a behemoth of the wargaming world and let's face it, any change in direction takes a while for such a large creature to execute and killing them takes some mighty large weapons (or a gaggle of angry Slayers. Make no mistake - being ginger and short can really make you dangerous :) ).

Regardless of the truth of the matter the gaming community has long regarded GW as not really being a company that cares about 'the hobby'. I'm sure this would dismay many within the company because at it's heart used to lie a core belief in the gaming hobby. I'd like to think that this was still true. A strong customer focused GW benefits the tabletop gaming hobby in many ways so I hope they learn from this and change some of their more damaging policies. I certainly know a lot of players that would be happy to 'return to the fold' if GW just started cutting it's supporters some slack and started bahaving like it cared about it's playerbase rather than constantly appearing to throw sand in their faces (price hikes, dropped support for beloved products, staffing cutbacks, draconian in-store policies, seemingly ignoring regular players in favour of new faces in store yadda yadda yadda).

I'm an ex-GW player myself. I love Blood Bowl (which deserves to be a regular fixture in any FLGS alongside other board games) used to play a lot of Epic and Necromunda alongside non-GW favourites such as Battletech. These days most of my wargaming is quick and non-company specific games like Full Thrust (which I own three scratchbuilt fleets for). I still buy some GW materials for my RPG sessions and would be sad to see them fall too low.....despite believing that in some ways they'd deserve it if they did fall entirely from grace.
 
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Its a fault of their own making really. They've over priced their model sets and decreased the number of actual models you can make out of each one. Couple this with rules that require large numbers of troops to be competative and you can clearly see why it is 'declining in popularity'.

Simply put: Ordinary people are being put off because they are forced to pay more for less when they need even more than they used to in order to play the game = a decline in sales.
 

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Atmos Duality said:
rapidoud said:
If any of you people read any of the financial reports you'd know the company was doing pretty poorly before they started increasing prices.
Then they're obviously running their business very inefficiently and/or with some obscene overhead.
It's not even that. They violated the first rule of this sort of business. "Make it easy for your customers to buy your product". Instead they are control freaks. They want to control every aspect of the product, and retail experience, even down to the ownership experience.

In another thread some one suggested that their salvation lie in PC and console video games. NOT GONNA HAPPEN. Once again they are control freaks. They don't like relinquishing enough control of the IP to make a good game. This has happened time and again, and they keep burning A list partners. To the degree that really the only developers that will work with them any more are small and easily bullied.
 

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Muspelheim said:
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Bradeck said:
No matter. The emperor protects. Doubt is for the weak. We all know that the hidden chest in the armory of the Grey Knights holds the key to revitalizing the entire franchise...
Wrong. You think that this news coming out at the exact same time as the new Tyranid codex is coincidence? The Great Devourer has arrived, and this is the first death knell for the Imperium of Man and the Warhammer 40K galaxy. :p
Om nom nom nom!! Scrreeeeeech! Nom nom nom!

I've always felt the Tyranids were the least evil faction in that universe. They just want to eat new and exotic things, and become all that they can be with the new genes they nibble along the way.

Not to mention, Battlefleet Gothic may be gone (why...), but I could probably still play it rather convincingly with a handful of pine cones and artichokes.
Can't argue with that. Honestly, the Imperium itself, with all its associated factions are probably one of the worst of the bunch. Looking at it like that, the Nids aren't evil. They're just predators following their basic instinct. The Tau want the best for everyone in the galaxy- although I'm sure they'll want the best of the best for themselves. The Eldar, for all their arrogance are STILL more open minded than the majority of humanity. Even the Orks aren't so much evil as having a very destructive idea of a good time. Chaos, the Dark Eldar and perhaps the Necrons (don't know anything about them) are the only completely evil, irredeemable factions out there that I can think of.

Well, ok, the Orks probably are too. But who could really stay mad at the Orks?
 

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Witty Name Here said:
Never heard of them, sad to say.

I was just thinking that allowing people to get a sort of "taste" of the game by playing it for a few hours (with a legitimate, if basic and "simple" army) could help promote the hobby, is all.
Too bad, they had beautiful miniatures, I mean truly beautiful. These guys pioneered what you could do with metal, creating and maintaining a level of quality that, in my personal opinion, GW only started to catch up to in later years, before the clusterf**k that was Finecast.

Finecast, man... goddamn Finecast...

Here, I'll link you two videos talking about it; the first talks about how Rackham screwed up, and the second shows the beautiful models they had, and then threw away for the sake of pre-painted plastics.

 

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Mangod said:
Too bad, they had beautiful miniatures, I mean truly beautiful. These guys pioneered what you could do with metal, creating and maintaining a level of quality that, in my personal opinion, GW only started to catch up to in later years, before the clusterf**k that was Finecast.

Finecast, man... goddamn Finecast...

Here, I'll link you two videos talking about it; the first talks about how Rackham screwed up, and the second shows the beautiful models they had, and then threw away for the sake of pre-painted plastics.
So in other words, ditching White Metal = Curse of the Nurgle Leper? X3
 

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Witty Name Here said:
Interesting idea, but not one that I can see GW implementing. The FLGS where I live had a few display miniatures that they let people use during amateur night to test the game, but then GW said screw you to independent retailers, so here we are.

And I suspect GW would rather you buy the models, and the paints, and the brushes, and the terrain, and the books from them, rather than have their one-man stores waste time on setting up demos and teaching people how to play.
 

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Roggen Bread said:
Also things got a lot more easier with the ladies after getting rid of this rather geeky hobby.
Eh, I've never had issues on this front, although I have Battlefleet Gothic and sit them on the shelf next to my normal models I build so I guess they think their just another model, still some people can be silly and their the ones your better off not being with anyway.

OT: everything I'd say has been said 100 times, Games Workshop deserves what they get. Their greed is utter bullcrap.